The US Census Bureau thread

[Cory]

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

Interesting. Why did the east side drop while the west increased? I know nothing about Houston btw

The further east you are the more industrial it is with the ship channel and refineries.

[subterranean]

Originally Posted by mhays

Both Washington and British Columbia have policies to limit sprawl. The latter is especially effective, but Washington is pretty good too. It's also 140 miles from center to center, and the border is a hurdle. We'll stay separate for the forseeable future.

HSR from Vancouver, BC to Portland via Seattle still seems to be on the table.

[memph]

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

Interesting. Why did the east side drop while the west increased? I know nothing about Houston btw

East side is still very visibly poor, especially the NE. There some real estate investment in the east side especially closer to downtown, but much less than on the west side.

[cabasse]

Originally Posted by dave8721

If you know the fips code for your state and County you can do it. This query for example returns the 20k+ population density tracts in Florida (12) and Miami-Dade County (086):
https://mtgis-server.geo.census.gov/...Geometry=true&

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Yeah I got about as far as that using Firefox dev tools earlier today but then I had to do other things. Using the returned json, should be straightforward to make a table of census tract number / center/ density and then it'd just a matter of cutting on 20k and counting.

damn, very nice. i didn't even think about trying the URL in a browser, even though it was clearly returning HTML.

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

Atlanta was quick though. 8 such tracts in all of Georgia, all 8 in Fulton County.

The Texas metros:

New York: 9,151,543
Los Angeles: 1,919,006
Chicago: 1,238,801
San Francisco: 899,765
Philadelphia: 841,729
Boston: 727,666
Miami: 396,021
Honolulu: 182,167
Seattle: 160,101
San Diego: 103,421
Houston: 88,080
San Jose: 64,724
Dallas: 54,893
Minneapolis: 52,998
Denver: 49,423
Milwaukee: 47,988
Providence: 39,442
Portland: 38,057
Madison: 35,514
Columbus: 31,592
Atlanta: 26,589
Austin: 23,224

well... that's embarassing.

[chris08876]

Miami came a long way. Very impressive figures.

[ChiSoxRox]

Originally Posted by cabasse

damn, very nice. i didn't even think about trying the URL in a browser, even though it was clearly returning HTML.




well... that's embarassing.

Atlanta still put up the best density numbers of any metro in the DC-Chicago-Houston-Miami box.

[dave8721]

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

Atlanta still put up the best density numbers of any metro in the DC-Chicago-Houston-Miami box.

Columbus, OH would fall in that box too.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

It was a nonsense statement. By his logic, San Francisco also isn't in the same league as Philadelphia, since it's only 54% of Philadelphia's population.

I don't think it was a nonsense statement. Perhaps it could have been worded more clearly, but Philly and Detroit are in different leagues these days.

Detroit and Philly are both around the same physical size and had similar population peaks in 1950. But since then, Philly took a bit of a dip, whereas Detroit fell off a cliff.



Philly - 134 sq. miles

1950 - 2,071,605 | +7.3%
1960 - 2,002,512 | −3.3%
1970 - 1,948,609 | −2.7%
1980 - 1,688,210 | −13.4%
1990 - 1,585,577 | −6.1%
2000 - 1,517,550 | −4.3%
2010 - 1,526,006 | +0.6%
2020 - 1,603,797 | +5.1%

2020 population vs. 1950: -22.6%



Detroit - 139 sq. miles

1950 - 1,849,568 | +13.9%
1960 - 1,670,144 | −9.7%
1970 - 1,514,063 | −9.3%
1980 - 1,203,368 | −20.5%
1990 - 1,027,974 | −14.6%
2000 ---- 951,270 | −7.5%
2010 ---- 713,777 | −25.0%
2020 ---- 639,111 | −10.5%

2020 population vs. 1950: -65.4%



The Philly / Detroit comparison might have made some overall sense back in the day, but it's been making less and less sense with each passing decade.

[Camelback]

Originally Posted by insidediamond

excellent points, if only msa's could include foreign countries, the Detroit MSA could be seen in its more accurate size.

If Canada did that then Windsor would be one of the largest Canadian metros. Settling in just behind Toronto and ahead of Montreal.

El Paso would be 3.5 million.
San Diego would be 6 million.

[Yuri]

Finishing my list with all areas above 1 million (first posts back at pages 124 and 125). Definitions are mine, some using MSA, other CSA or something between. Did that "to correct" complains we usually make about them:

------------------------ 2020 --------- 2010 --------- 2000 --------- 1990

New York ----------- 22.692.839 --- 21.358.372 --- 20.675.403 --- 19.083.415 ----- 6,25% ----- 3,30% ----- 8,34%

Los Angeles -------- 18.644.680 --- 17.877.006 --- 16.373.645 --- 14.531.529 ----- 4,29% ----- 9,18% ---- 12,68%

Chicago ------------- 9.618.502 ---- 9.461.105 ---- 9.098.314 ---- 8.182.076 ----- 1,66% ----- 3,99% ---- 11,20%

San Francisco ------- 8.036.501 ---- 7.413.121 ---- 7.039.362 ---- 6.253.311 ----- 8,41% ----- 5,31% ---- 12,57%

Dallas -------------- 7.637.387 ---- 6.366.542 ---- 5.156.217 ---- 3.984.437 ---- 19,96% ---- 23,47% ---- 29,41%

Houston ------------- 7.122.240 ---- 5.920.416 ---- 4.693.161 ---- 3.750.883 ---- 20,30% ---- 26,15% ---- 25,12%

Philadelphia -------- 6.245.051 ---- 5.965.353 ---- 5.687.147 ---- 5.435.468 ----- 4,69% ----- 4,89% ----- 4,63%

Miami --------------- 6.138.333 ---- 5.564.635 ---- 5.007.564 ---- 4.056.100 ---- 10,31% ---- 11,12% ---- 23,46%

Boston -------------- 6.095.791 ---- 5.628.532 ---- 5.410.915 ---- 5.075.440 ----- 8,30% ----- 4,02% ----- 6,61%

Atlanta ------------- 6.089.815 ---- 5.286.728 ---- 4.263.438 ---- 3.082.308 ---- 15,19% ---- 24,00% ---- 38,32%

Washington ---------- 5.937.417 ---- 5.241.643 ---- 4.525.520 ---- 3.920.943 ---- 13,27% ---- 15,82% ---- 15,42%

Detroit ------------- 5.325.319 ---- 5.218.852 ---- 5.357.538 ---- 5.095.695 ----- 2,04% ---- -2,59% ----- 5,14%

Seattle ------------- 4.871.272 ---- 4.199.312 ---- 3.707.144 ---- 3.088.224 ---- 16,00% ---- 13,28% ---- 20,04%

Phoenix ------------- 4.845.832 ---- 4.192.887 ---- 3.251.876 ---- 2.238.480 ---- 15,57% ---- 28,94% ---- 45,27%

Minneapolis --------- 3.635.128 ---- 3.279.833 ---- 2.968.806 ---- 2.538.834 ---- 10,83% ---- 10,48% ---- 16,94%

Denver -------------- 3.623.560 ---- 3.090.874 ---- 2.610.343 ---- 2.008.684 ---- 17,23% ---- 18,41% ---- 29,95%

San Diego ----------- 3.298.634 ---- 3.095.313 ---- 2.813.833 ---- 2.498.016 ----- 6,57% ---- 10,00% ---- 12,64%

Tampa --------------- 3.175.275 ---- 2.783.243 ---- 2.395.998 ---- 2.067.959 ---- 14,09% ---- 16,16% ---- 15,86%

Baltimore ----------- 2.794.636 ---- 2.662.691 ---- 2.512.431 ---- 2.348.221 ----- 4,96% ----- 5,98% ----- 6,99%

Cleveland ----------- 2.790.470 ---- 2.780.440 ---- 2.843.103 ---- 2.759.823 ----- 0,36% ---- -2,20% ----- 3,02%

St. Louis ----------- 2.754.124 ---- 2.717.079 ---- 2.648.607 ---- 2.492.525 ----- 1,36% ----- 2,59% ----- 6,26%

Salt Lake City ------ 2.701.129 ---- 2.271.696 ---- 1.846.252 ---- 1.435.855 ---- 18,90% ---- 23,04% ---- 28,58%

Sacramento ---------- 2.680.831 ---- 2.415.183 ---- 2.028.039 ---- 1.682.215 ---- 11,00% ---- 19,09% ---- 20,56%

Orlando ------------- 2.673.376 ---- 2.134.411 ---- 1.644.561 ---- 1.224.852 ---- 25,25% ---- 29,79% ---- 34,27%

Charlotte ----------- 2.638.274 ---- 2.217.030 ---- 1.717.372 ---- 1.341.710 ---- 19,00% ---- 29,09% ---- 28,00%

San Antonio --------- 2.558.143 ---- 2.142.508 ---- 1.711.703 ---- 1.407.745 ---- 19,40% ---- 25,17% ---- 21,59%

Portland ------------ 2.512.859 ---- 2.226.009 ---- 1.927.881 ---- 1.523.741 ---- 12,89% ---- 15,46% ---- 26,52%

Pittsburgh ---------- 2.370.930 ---- 2.356.285 ---- 2.431.088 ---- 2.468.289 ----- 0,62% ---- -3,08% ---- -1,51%

Austin -------------- 2.283.371 ---- 1.716.309 ---- 1.249.763 ------ 846.227 ---- 33,04% ---- 37,33% ---- 47,69%

Las Vegas ----------- 2.265.461 ---- 1.951.269 ---- 1.375.765 ------ 741.459 ---- 16,10% ---- 41,83% ---- 85,55%

Cincinnati ---------- 2.241.397 ---- 2.121.683 ---- 2.001.353 ---- 1.837.151 ----- 5,64% ----- 6,01% ----- 8,94%

Kansas City --------- 2.136.403 ---- 1.952.470 ---- 1.757.083 ---- 1.568.274 ----- 9,42% ---- 11,12% ---- 12,04%

Raleigh ------------- 2.063.885 ---- 1.692.385 ---- 1.272.062 ------ 924.070 ---- 21,95% ---- 33,04% ---- 37,66%

Indianapolis -------- 2.058.839 ---- 1.834.672 ---- 1.607.486 ---- 1.380.491 ---- 12,22% ---- 14,13% ---- 16,44%

Columbus ------------ 2.040.518 ---- 1.801.709 ---- 1.581.066 ---- 1.377.419 ---- 13,25% ---- 13,96% ---- 14,78%

Nashville ----------- 1.989.519 ---- 1.646.155 ---- 1.358.992 ---- 1.086.274 ---- 20,86% ---- 21,13% ---- 25,11%

Milwaukee ----------- 1.772.458 ---- 1.751.316 ---- 1.689.572 ---- 1.607.183 ----- 1,21% ----- 3,65% ----- 5,13%

Norfolk ------------- 1.716.032 ---- 1.632.100 ---- 1.542.144 ---- 1.421.160 ----- 5,14% ----- 5,83% ----- 8,51%

Providence ---------- 1.676.579 ---- 1.600.852 ---- 1.582.997 ---- 1.509.789 ----- 4,73% ----- 1,13% ----- 4,85%

Greensboro ---------- 1.623.947 ---- 1.515.527 ---- 1.343.438 ---- 1.136.368 ----- 7,15% ---- 12,81% ---- 18,22%

Jacksonville -------- 1.605.848 ---- 1.345.596 ---- 1.122.750 ------ 925.213 ---- 19,34% ---- 19,85% ---- 21,35%

Oklahoma City ------- 1.425.695 ---- 1.252.987 ---- 1.095.421 ------ 971.042 ---- 13,78% ---- 14,38% ---- 12,81%

Grand Rapids -------- 1.383.918 ---- 1.277.266 ---- 1.211.258 ---- 1.047.974 ----- 8,35% ----- 5,45% ---- 15,58%

Memphis ------------- 1.337.779 ---- 1.316.044 ---- 1.205.218 ---- 1.067.263 ----- 1,65% ----- 9,20% ---- 12,93%

Greenville ---------- 1.334.799 ---- 1.182.692 ---- 1.045.686 ------ 901.643 ---- 12,86% ---- 13,10% ---- 15,98%

Richmond ------------ 1.265.922 ---- 1.138.844 ------ 996.512 ------ 865.640 ---- 11,16% ---- 14,28% ---- 15,12%

Louisville ---------- 1.265.731 ---- 1.183.265 ---- 1.070.926 ------ 988.565 ----- 6,97% ---- 10,49% ----- 8,33%

New Orleans --------- 1.228.138 ---- 1.144.722 ---- 1.289.753 ---- 1.238.816 ----- 7,29% --- -11,24% ----- 4,11%

Hartford ------------ 1.213.531 ---- 1.212.381 ---- 1.148.618 ---- 1.123.678 ----- 0,09% ----- 5,55% ----- 2,22%

Birmingham ---------- 1.180.631 ---- 1.128.047 ---- 1.052.238 ------ 956.844 ----- 4,66% ----- 7,20% ----- 9,97%

Buffalo ------------- 1.166.902 ---- 1.135.509 ---- 1.170.111 ---- 1.189.288 ----- 2,76% ---- -2,96% ---- -1,61%

Fresno -------------- 1.164.909 ---- 1.081.315 ------ 922.516 ------ 755.580 ----- 7,73% ---- 17,21% ---- 22,09%

Rochester ----------- 1.090.135 ---- 1.079.640 ---- 1.062.452 ---- 1.025.220 ----- 0,97% ----- 1,62% ----- 3,63%

Tucson -------------- 1.043.433 ------ 980.263 ------ 843.746 ------ 666.880 ----- 6,44% ---- 16,18% ---- 26,52%

Honolulu ------------ 1.016.508 ------ 953.207 ------ 876.156 ------ 836.231 ----- 6,64% ----- 8,79% ----- 4,77%

Tulsa --------------- 1.015.331 ------ 937.478 ------ 859.482 ------ 761.019 ----- 8,30% ----- 9,07% ---- 12,94%

Knoxville ----------- 1.007.151 ------ 924.637 ------ 810.330 ------ 686.551 ----- 8,92% ---- 14,11% ---- 18,03%



- Nashville keeps growing very fast while other Southeastern metro areas having been slowing down. Memphis, the former largest TN biggest town, on the other hand slowed down quickly and it's about to post negative growth. Knoxville also slowed down, but it's still at a good pace. It's also the last city to cross the 1 million-people mark, the 57th US metro area above 1 million inhabitants;

- Milwaukee, as Chicago, barely grew;

- Norfolk managed to repeat its rather slow growth rate. Richmond came slower, but it's still at double-digit. Better positioned to profit from some Washington area spillovers;

- Providence is a good surprise. Boston growth was so powerful that affected its neighbour. And it's not only because Bristol County (MA) as it grew slightly faster than the metro area as a whole. Hartford, on the other hand, it's an exception on the BosWash corridor. Zero growth, and it's not more disappointing because estimates indicated a negative for it. It's odd because they have a good economy, better than Providence, for instance;

- Greensboro as its NC neighbours, also slowed down, but from a much slower base. In terms of size, it's no longer on the same tier of Charlotte or Raleigh;

- Jacksonville is a mistery to me. Sorry if someone lives there, but what's the appeal?

- Oklahoma City keeps reproducing the growth of the past decades and as such, it's now growing almost twice as fast as the national average. Tulsa, slower, but enough to cross the 1 million mark;

- Grand Rapids never paid attention to Michigan problems and keeps growing undisturbed decade after decade. Impressive;

- Greenville, always under the radar, even state-wide, still posting solid growth;

- Louisville, slower, but still decent giving its grographic context;

- New Orleans growth still seems to echo Katrina, otherwise its growth rate would probably be slower. I guess 2020-2030 growth rate will be the first time without its effects;

- Birmingham slower, but not as bad as estimates indicate. It's so weird to think that by the time of the first metropolitan area definition, in 1950, it was roughly the same size of Atlanta. Now it's 6x smaller;

- Buffalo, already discussed a lot here. First growth since 1960-1970. It couldn't have been better. Rochester, on the other hand, has never experienced negative growth, not even in the horrible 1970-1980, when even New York metro area dropped like a rock. Estimates indicated they would go negative now, but they managed to keep their record intact;

- Fresno, following the Californian trend, much slower. Boomtown days are history. Same for Tucson: Midwest kind of growth. They've both managed to gain the 1 million status but they won't go far with it;

- Honolulu, together with Tucson, Tulsa and Knoxville joined the 1 million club.

[dimondpark]

This was part of a conversation at CD, for whomever is interested.

2020 Metro Areas by Combined White & Black %(All Other Races %)
90.6% Pittsburgh.......(9.4%)
88.8% Birgmingham..(11.2%)
88.3% St Louis...........(11.7%)
88.0% Cincinnati........(12.0%)
87.1% Memphis.........(12.9%)
87.0% Cleveland........(13.0%)
86.3% Louisville.........(13.7%)
86.0% Buffalo.............(14.0%)
85.6% Detroit.............(14.4%)
84.8% Columbus........(15.2%)
83.2% Indianapolis.....(16.8%)
83.0% Richmond........(17.0%)
82.6% Nashville..........(17.4%)
82.6% Virginia Beach..(17.4%)
81.6% New Orleans....(18.4%)
81.2% Baltimore.........(18.8%)
80.9% Minneapolis.....(19.1%)
80.6% Jacksonville.....(19.4%)
80.5% Kansas City......(19.5%)
80.4% Milwaukee.......(19.6%)
79.7% Charlotte..........(20.3%)
79.5% Philadelphia.....(20.5%)
77.3% Atlanta.............(22.7%)
76.6% Raleigh.............(23.4%)
76.2% Providence.......(23.8%)
75.5% Hartford...........(24.5%)
73.6% Boston.............(26.4%)
71.7% Portland...........(28.3%)
71.3% Tampa.............(28.7%)
70.0% Salt Lake City...(30.0%)
69.3% Oklahoma City..(30.7%)
66.8% Denver.............(33.2%)
66.8% Washington DC.(33.2%)
66.4% Chicago............(33.6%)
64.0% Seattle..............(36.0%)
59.4% New York..........(40.6%)
59.4% Phoenix.............(40.6%)
58.9% Orlando.............(41.1%)
58.8% Dallas................(41.2%)
56.6% Austin................(41.4%)
55.3% Sacramento.......(44.7%)
51.1% Houston.............(48.9%)
48.6% Miami................(51.4%)
47.8% San Diego..........(52.2%)
46.4% Las Vegas..........(53.6%)
43.3% San Francisco....(56.7%)
36.8% Riverside............(63.2%)
35.7% San Antonio.......(64.3%)
34.9% Los Angeles.......(65.1%)
31.1% San Jose............(68.9%)

[subterranean]

West Michigan has a good quality of life. Grand Rapids proper has had a pretty stagnant population despite much investment in its core and the region as a whole. Funny that it’s nearly the same size as metro Jacksonville.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

I don't think it was a nonsense statement. Perhaps it could have been worded more clearly, but Philly and Detroit are in different leagues these days.

Detroit and Philly are both around the same physical size and had similar population peaks in 1950. But since then, Philly took a bit of a dip, whereas Detroit fell off a cliff.



Philly - 134 sq. miles

1950 - 2,071,605 | +7.3%
1960 - 2,002,512 | −3.3%
1970 - 1,948,609 | −2.7%
1980 - 1,688,210 | −13.4%
1990 - 1,585,577 | −6.1%
2000 - 1,517,550 | −4.3%
2010 - 1,526,006 | +0.6%
2020 - 1,603,797 | +5.1%

2020 population vs. 1950: -22.6%



Detroit - 139 sq. miles

1950 - 1,849,568 | +13.9%
1960 - 1,670,144 | −9.7%
1970 - 1,514,063 | −9.3%
1980 - 1,203,368 | −20.5%
1990 - 1,027,974 | −14.6%
2000 ---- 951,270 | −7.5%
2010 ---- 713,777 | −25.0%
2020 ---- 639,111 | −10.5%

2020 population vs. 1950: -65.4%



The Philly / Detroit comparison might have made some overall sense back in the day, but it's been making less and less sense with each passing decade.

It's still a good comparison because it shows how two very similar places had very different outcomes. Detroit and Philadelphia were the most alike on paper of any two cities that ever crossed the 1 million resident mark. If someone is examining what went wrong in Detroit, Philadelphia is a great benchmark.

[Thirteen Mile]

Holy Fuck I need put down the computer to go for a walk I did not mean to go
Into this topic that much

Originally Posted by craigs

I did not initiate the comparison between the municipalities of Detroit and Philadelphia, but I did respond: the two cities proper are now quite disparate in terms of population and density. And I will now add that their respective MSAs and CSAs are also disparate in size.

Even if we arbitrarily start monkeying with the data to make Detroit homers feel better about themselves by adding the Windsor metro to the Detroit CSA (which does include Ann Arbor), Philly's CSA would still have 1.5 million more residents. Seventy years ago they may have been more similar, but in 2021 Philadelphia is significantly more populous than Detroit, no matter how you define them.

I wasn’t trying to pick your comment out for critique we just happened to have to both been thinking of Detroit vs. Philadelphia comparison or one of us posted at the wrong place at the wrong time haha. To me I found it interesting when I saw the commuter influence map and did the math to find out that the population of this area happens to match closely to Philadelphia a city that was ranked next to Detroit during its prime.

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Now as I said even if you don’t buy into the argument I think it at least deserves consideration Detroit sits on a peninsula where everybody drives and is ringed by a series of satellite centers of population all about an hour drive from the city border.

But in terms of City of Detroit to City of Philadelphia shit man I’m from here you don’t gotta tell me this is apples to oranges. The main reason being from the mid 90s to the mid 00’s Detroit as entity wasn’t even compatible with other major cities because of the fact that the city was no longer functioned as the center of the region.

It took the crash of 08 for Oakland County it’s usurper to realize that no one in NY, CA and prolly Ill have no idea Oakland County with its million dollar
lake mansions even exists Detroit is the face of the region if not in function at
the time and they better get on board with cooperating with the rest of the region to make it so again. Or all the nation and the world will know of Oakland
is not that in the 90’s it was wealthier than Orange, CA but it’s where the nice
suburbs of ruinpornville are.

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The recent recovery was built from the outside in initially there wasn’t enough critical mass left downtown to spark one. Despite verifiable numbers of the region having one of the highest high tech (STEM) workforce’s in the country in terms of percentage and raw numbers and the boom was started and fueled by tech. It
Wasn’t the organic shift to a more urban environment that brought about the revival though there was some of that but when Quicken decided to move its HQ downtown get into real estate and strategically renovate and fill buildings with its subsidiaries from urban suburbs like Royal Oak that things got real.

My point in “monkeying” with the numbers is Michigan is a peninsula sure there’s a few bridgeable points but when there’s hundreds of miles of water separating any other city’s influence infrastructure and economics will drive an alignment to the center of mass. There’s been a lot of us Detroit homers that don’t like the way the census does Metro Detroit wether people buy in or not I at least think the argument is an apt one.

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Now down to brass tax if you take Detroit CSA 5.426m add it with Windsor .344m, Toledo .701m, Lansing .534m, Sarnia .096m & Chatham - Kent .106m you get ~7.2m.

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This isn’t made trying to denigrate Philly nor am I dealing with a jaded ex-resident (who rightly or through dated colored lenses wrongly are some of the biggest detractors).

Although with the current political climate some where the ruinporn spotlight has attracted the attention of Tucker Carlson and those of that ilk to use as a dog whistle for bad scary black and democratic. I know with most everyone here has the intellect that I don’t have to even put a thought to worries of getting that kind of base reaction. But sometimes it feels hard to make certain pro - Detroit arguments no one wants to be compared to Detroit its come a long way over the past 10 years but it’s still got a lot of disfunction. I can imagine the knee jerk reaction I had the same when someone said Flint is the same as Gary or East St Louis and I went on to argue how Flint is a viable city with a vibrant downtown and strong university, healthcare and cultural centers. I’m sure residents of aforementioned cities would feel the same about being compared to Cario I get it.

But that’s also why I made this argument hoping to get others to look at the city from a different angle and one of the legacies of the Arsenal of Democracy (another Detroit vs Philly comparison) and the world center of automotive engineering, design & manufacturing is a region the size of a top tier city spread out that could be argued has treaded water overall. Yes still losing places on the list to the sunbelt boomers but in better shape that would appear at first glance.


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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

I don't think it was a nonsense statement. Perhaps it could have been worded more clearly, but Philly and Detroit are in different leagues these days.

Detroit and Philly are both around the same physical size and had similar population peaks in 1950. But since then, Philly took a bit of a dip, whereas Detroit fell off a cliff.



Philly - 134 sq. miles

1950 - 2,071,605 | +7.3%
1960 - 2,002,512 | −3.3%
1970 - 1,948,609 | −2.7%
1980 - 1,688,210 | −13.4%
1990 - 1,585,577 | −6.1%
2000 - 1,517,550 | −4.3%
2010 - 1,526,006 | +0.6%
2020 - 1,603,797 | +5.1%

2020 population vs. 1950: -22.6%



Detroit - 139 sq. miles

1950 - 1,849,568 | +13.9%
1960 - 1,670,144 | −9.7%
1970 - 1,514,063 | −9.3%
1980 - 1,203,368 | −20.5%
1990 - 1,027,974 | −14.6%
2000 ---- 951,270 | −7.5%
2010 ---- 713,777 | −25.0%
2020 ---- 639,111 | −10.5%

2020 population vs. 1950: -65.4%



The Philly / Detroit comparison might have made some overall sense back in the day, but it's been making less and less sense with each passing decade.

City to city true there are a number of old industrial areas especially consentrated in the near east and near west sides that were made up of early 20th century wood frame homes that are desolate and the transition neighborhoods in between the newer and or more upscale dense districts of NW, NE are patchwork’s block to block varying in conditions. The exception proving the rule is the still industrial old dense immigrant friendly SW Detroit also the lower eastside has stayed together well considering it’s the oldest part city but its natural beauty allowed for
Detroit’s only neighborhood residential high rise district so it gets pass with that anchoring it.

I know you know Detroit so I’m not trying to lecture it’s more for sake of the general Detroit debate. In a sense it almost does sound like I’m arguing Detroit is a city that has all the hallmarks of a world class city except the city part. Granted I was just referring to the legacy region being the “size it should be” to have been maintaining itself. I usually stay relatively quiet unless I feel strongly about or that I got a solid leg to stand on in regards to Detroit because I’ve learned over my 30 years that the city has so many ways to break your heart so don’t celebrate till the steel is rising or the nascent skyscraper boom doesn’t run into a few trade wars and a once in a century pandemic. Lmao Detroit’s luck u can’t make it up!

[jbermingham123]

In 1930, Cleveland, St. Louis, and Baltimore were, respectively, the 6th, 7th, and 8th largest US cities.

In 2030, barring some unforseen development, Baltimore, Cleveland, and St. Louis, which are, respectively, the 19th, 20th, and 21st biggest US metros in 2020, will be surpassed by Salt Lake City, Sacramento, Orlando, Charlotte, San Antonio, and Portland, and will thus be the 25th, 26th, and 27th largest in some order. Pretty crazy.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

It's still a good comparison because it shows how two very similar places had very different outcomes. Detroit and Philadelphia were the most alike on paper of any two cities that ever crossed the 1 million resident mark. If someone is examining what went wrong in Detroit, Philadelphia is a great benchmark.

Yes, they are interesting to compare given their similar statistical starting points in 1950 and where they've ended up 70 years later.

But I still don't think Craig's comment about the two cities now being in different leagues was nonsensical. Within roughly the same physical land area, Philly now packs in nearly 1M more people than Detroit does. That is not a small difference.

Both cities have obviously faced massive challenges/obstacles over the last 7 decades, but degree does matter.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Yes, they are interesting to compare given their similar statistical starting points in 1950 and where they've ended up 70 years later.

But I still don't think Craig's comment about the two cities now being in different leagues was nonsensical. Within roughly the same physical land area, Philly now packs in nearly 1M more people than Detroit does. That is not a small difference.

Both cities have obviously faced massive challenges/obstacles over the last 7 decades, but degree does matter.

Detroit is also a city that is designed to hold +1 million more people than it does now. The city of Detroit is more comparable to Philadelphia than it is to Las Vegas, to which it currently has a similar population and population density.

[Steely Dan]

* off topic posts deleted *

Let's please keep this thread focused on census 2020 results.

If you feel the uncontrollable urge to take a stupid fucking political dump, you know where the toilet is.

Freaking use it. Don't shit your stupidity all over the worthwhile parts of this forum.

[ChiSoxRox]

New York MSA above each density bin:
20k: 9,151,543 (52.8% of the US)
30k: 7,530,804 (70.7% of the US)
40k: 6,387,118 (82.8% of the US)
50k: 5,384,766 (87.9% of the US)
60k: 4,388,545 (90.3% of the US)
70k: 3,527,320 (92.1% of the US)
80k: 2,815,068 (95.1% of the US)
90k: 2,233,741 (95.2% of the US)
100k: 1,678,781 (96.6% of the US)
110k: 1,295,317 (97.6% of the US)
120k: 859,567 (96.7% of the US)
130k: 651,497 (96.9% of the US)
140k: 455,667 (96.2% of the US)
150k: 346,012 (96.4% of the US)

Thanks to SIGSEGV's national numbers.

Remaining counties at 90k ppsm (the last bin with Manhattan over 1M):
Manhattan: 1,187,006
Bronx: 488,485
Brooklyn: 300,720
Queens: 231,638
San Francisco: 41,743
Hudson, NJ: 20,162
Miami-Dade: 13,596
Suffolk, MA: 12,730
Cook, IL: 11,082
Essex, NJ: 5,730
Philadelphia: 5,289
Honolulu: 4,148
Arlington, VA: 3,812
King, WA: 3,506
Los Angeles: 2,124

Runner-up MSAs:
20k to 30k: Los Angeles
40k to 60k: Chicago
Above 70k: San Francisco

[Lakelander]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

- Jacksonville is a mistery to me. Sorry if someone lives there, but what's the appeal?

For me... Black history and culture, fresh seafood, mustard based bbq, the garlic crabs, soul food, Gullah culture, the beach, the river, the lowcountry, diverse economy, a decent growth rate, etc.

Also nice being a short distance from Florida other major cities and places like Savannah and Charleston. I can get a 30 minute flight to Atlanta or Miami pretty cheap if I select not to do a 4 to 5 hour drive. Getting to the Caribbean is pretty easy and cheap as well.

I work in Orlando/Central Florida and my firm's main office is in Chicago. However, I decided to keep my house in Jax since my job is pretty much a traveling one. At my stage in life, I can travel anywhere with ease when I want but I'm come to the conclusion that I can pretty much do here, what I can do of interest in any other place in the US. So its a good affordable place to set up a base of operations and as a minority with southern roots, the culture appeals to me whereas, some of the more popular larger American cities don't have the same cultural vibe or coastal attributes.