Highway 1 Fraser Valley Phase 2&3: 216th to Hwy 11 | U/C

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by libtard

Whats wrong with keeping the original loop for the exit going westbound drawn in red

I can speculate...

(1) larger radius curve is safer for traffic that has exited the freeway and is slowing down from high speed,

(2) tighter radius curve for traffic joining 232nd northbound forces the traffic to slow down and this might be intended to make the merge there safer

[officedweller]

...and they can add some land to the "returned to green space" column on the spreadsheet.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

I can speculate...

(1) larger radius curve is safer for traffic that has exited the freeway and is slowing down from high speed,

(2) tighter radius curve for traffic joining 232nd northbound forces the traffic to slow down and this might be intended to make the merge there safer

Of course it forces drivers to slow down. The design speed of the ramp has been severely reduced. All in the name of value engineering

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by officedweller

...and they can add some land to the "returned to green space" column on the spreadsheet.

You are so right on what this really is; just a number on a spreadsheet.

[mattropolis]

They could sell off the land where the loops are being removed and make some money. Like at 200th

[Metro-One]

It’s fine for this interchange. High speed free flow ramps are only needed between two major arteries, which this is not.

The upgraded 264th and Highway 11 / Sumas interchanges on the other hand better have more substantial ramp systems.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by libtard

Of course it forces drivers to slow down. The design speed of the ramp has been severely reduced. All in the name of value engineering

"Value engineering" would leave the ramp as is. "Safety" seems the more likely motive to me.

[NicholasHui]

They said that starting September 7 of this year, they are going to do lane closures during the night 8:30 p.m. to 5:30 a.m during Weekdays, 8:30 p.m. to 8 a.m during Weekends

[Jimbo604]

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/trans...y-highway1/highway1-216th-264th-widening

Advanced works:
- Pre-clearing work completed winter 2021
- Single structural test pile at 232nd Interchange in early spring 2021
- Preloading of new HOV lanes in the median to commence summer 2021

Did that preloading get started?

Schedule:
- Functional design was completed in winter 2020
- Preliminary construction works begin in spring 2021
- Detailed design to be completed in early 2022
- Construction will begin in 2022
- Construction to be completed in 2025

[scottN]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

"Value engineering" would leave the ramp as is. "Safety" seems the more likely motive to me.

Actually there's no merge here since the ramp goes into a dedicated lane on 232nd street so doubt the rationale is vehicle safety. Maybe pedestrian / cyclist saftety? But if that was the priority why not just get rid of the slip lane entirely and make it a fully signalized right turn?

[cleowin]

I'm confused by this, are they not making the short merge lane a proper length merge lane as part of this project on both sides? they are ridiculously short. how about the yield before going onto the on-ramp? It appears with the new design, they're just going with a half cloverleaf, but the exit ramps will continue to drive straight through. They should be designed like every other interchange on highway 1.

[Jimbo604]

Gov Project Website link

Schedule
Functional design was completed in winter 2020
Preliminary construction works begin in spring 2021
Detailed design to be completed in early 2022
Construction will begin in 2022
Construction to be completed in 2025

Yay, now we can say construction to start THIS year and then three years to fill in a median.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

Yay, now we can say construction to start THIS year and then three years to fill in a median.

It boggles one's mind how they built the entire Coquihalla Highway to Merritt in 20 months with 80s technology but basically filling few kilometres of grass median takes three years. I could do that in three years with a wheel barrel and a shovel!

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Klazu

It boggles one's mind how they built the entire Coquihalla Highway to Merritt in 20 months with 80s technology but basically filling few kilometres of grass median takes three years. I could do that in three years with a wheel barrel and a shovel!

It's a lot easier to build a brand spanking new highway than it is to upgrade one that's already in place while minimizing the impact on existing traffic.

[Klazu]

Yeah, there's a lot of orange cones to put up and move around.

Even if they take one lane off each way every night, they should still be able to build this short stretch in months, not years. I know that there is more than the median involved, but this is a really short stretch with easy ground conditions. I would give them three years if they would be building all the way to Abbotsford but no.

[Tvisforme]

Isn't it a bit more than just adding lanes? The project web page lists several parts to the project, and we don't know if the lanes will need the full period to be complete (as with the stages in North Vancouver):

• Widen Highway 1 to accommodate eastbound and westbound high occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes in the median between the 216 Street and 264 Street Interchanges
• Construction of a new crossing at Glover Road, which will include dedicated 2.5-metre wide cycling lanes on either side and a separate two-metre wide sidewalk
• Reconfiguration of the existing 232 Street Interchange and the replacement of the existing crossing, including a three-metre wide multi-use pathway on either side
• Replacing the existing railway crossing immediately east of Glover Road

Also, as mentioned earlier in this discussion, the project calls for preloading in mid-2021; we don't know if that has started yet, and it can take quite some time to complete.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Klazu

It boggles one's mind how they built the entire Coquihalla Highway to Merritt in 20 months with 80s technology but basically filling few kilometres of grass median takes three years. I could do that in three years with a wheel barrel and a shovel!

"Your community benefits at work", although now that I think of it, that sounds like an oxymoron.

[Mininari]

Remember, "community" means people more than it means geography.

So a "community" of staunch NDP-supporters, unions, and orange cool-aid drinkers are going to be benefiting from every gold-plated, over-budget, reduced-scope project they build moving forward.

Its about to snow like its 1996... so yeah, feels like the return of the 90s!

/end political rant.

[Nicholas Hui]

It appears that they started to do construction on the Highway median just east of Highway 1 232 st interchange. Before that, they had the trees cut down before that.

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by Klazu

It boggles one's mind how they built the entire Coquihalla Highway to Merritt in 20 months with 80s technology but basically filling few kilometres of grass median takes three years. I could do that in three years with a wheel barrel and a shovel!

Yeah, they fast-tracked the coquihalla, and assuredly, it came a price

i'll like the upgrades to Hwy 1 as much i like the coq, but then as in now, all this ain't easy