Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

Oh, don't kid yourself. You were never going to vote for the NDP anyways.

And how would you know that? I always vote but I have never been a single party voter and use my vote to either reward job well done or punish for stupid politics. The extra billion dollars wasted here could have gotten us SkyTrain all the way to UBC, as an example. The whole thing is beyond idiotic.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Just for the record, the SkyTrain to UBC is $3.3 billion; the cost creep for the GMB so far is $0.9B.

[Klazu]

Sure, but isn't the cost sharing model on these projects 33/33/33, so the billion dollars would have pretty much covered province's portion?

[Metro-One]

It doesn’t matter, either way it is a billion dollars that could have been used to fund more rail expansion or highway upgrades, such as twinning the #1.

Also for this higher price we are getting so much less.

Not to mention economic losses for waiting another decade or so.

[Migrant_Coconut]

I consider it a fair trade for getting both SkyTrains; if the Libs won, we'd probably be complaining about how the Langley line was five years late and slightly more expensive.

Originally Posted by Klazu

Sure, but isn't the cost sharing model on these projects 33/33/33, so the billion dollars would have pretty much covered province's portion?

20/40/40 since 2017; 40% of $3.3B is about $1.3B, so not quite.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

I consider it a fair trade for getting both SkyTrains; if the Libs won, we'd probably be complaining about how the Langley line was five years late and slightly more expensive.



20/40/40 since 2017; 40% of $3.3B is about $1.3B, so not quite.

If we got a delayed Broadway Line that was downgraded to a street level LRT at a higher cost, then yes I would call that an equal situation.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

If we got a delayed Broadway Line that was downgraded to a street level LRT at a higher cost, then yes I would call that an equal situation.

That's an entirely possible future scenario.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Sure, but isn't the cost sharing model on these projects 33/33/33, so the billion dollars would have pretty much covered province's portion?

I hope to see your support the next time Translink needs to raise taxes and fees to cover their portion.

[Jimbo604]

All the time next year in Delta/Ladner/Tsawwassen: "it would have been done by now!"

[CanSpice]

An update will be coming tomorrow at 11:30. [source]

[Mininari]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

All the time next year in Delta/Ladner/Tsawwassen: "it would have been done by now!"

That would be epic on a billboard, a la that farmer who put the billboards up that said "tired of traffic?" "Thank these guys" (image of Horgan and Weaver Laughing).

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

An update will be coming tomorrow at 11:30. [source]

Election promises. Election promises everywhere.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Election promises. Election promises everywhere.

This seems to be a provincial announcement, unless there's a mystery Federal guest.

[Mininari]

I wouldn't be surprised. The critical missing piece of highway infrastructure in the Greater Victoria Region (The McKenzie Interchange) was cancelled by the 90's NDP (cost-cutting), delayed, deferred, snubbed, forgotten about without even a single package of 'band-aid' improvements like the tunnel has gotten for nearly 20 years before a pre-election spending spree by the Harper Conservatives showed up with a bucket of federal money and got it going.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Mininari

I wouldn't be surprised. The critical missing piece of highway infrastructure in the Greater Victoria Region (The McKenzie Interchange) was cancelled by the 90's NDP (cost-cutting), delayed, deferred, snubbed, forgotten about without even a single package of 'band-aid' improvements like the tunnel has gotten for nearly 20 years before a pre-election spending spree by the Harper Conservatives showed up with a bucket of federal money and got it going.

Just found out Trudeau is in town today, so, yeah.

[makr3trkr]

Richmond News
August 18, 2021
New 8-lane Massey Tunnel coming 2030
B.C. government says construction on the new $4.15 [billion] crossing will begin in 2025, after a three and a half year environmental assessment

https://www.richmond-news.com/local-news/new-8-lane-massey-tunnel-coming-2030-4233163

"A new, $4.15 billion eight-lane tunnel will replace the aging George Massey crossing.

That’s the news announced this morning by the B.C. government at a technical briefing for media.

The new tunnel is expected to be built by 2030, replacing the Massey Tunnel, which was constructed in 1959."

[logicbomb]

$4.15 billion for a tunnel that provides only 6 all-purpose lanes. Really now?

When a bridge that was superior and would have provided navigational benefits up the Fraser River would have cost 3.5 billion at most, and be completed by the mid 2020's had the NDP not cancelled the project.

Seriously, **** right off.

This stupid thing will likely be faced with cost overruns and many of the interchanges will probably see little to no improvement. Essentially will make little difference in traffic in 10-15 years when Delta, Lader and Tsawwassen get further developed. Imagine they had gone with a 6 lane Port Mann Bridge over the 10 lane configuration we have now? Yeah.

[Mininari]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

$4.15 billion for a tunnel that provides only 6 all-purpose lanes. Really now?

When a bridge that was superior and would have provided navigational benefits up the Fraser River would have cost 3.5 billion at most, and be completed by the mid 2020's had the NDP not cancelled the project.

Seriously, **** right off.

This stupid thing will likely be faced with cost overruns and many of the interchanges will probably see little to no improvement. Essentially will make little difference in traffic in 10-15 years when Delta, Lader and Tsawwassen get further developed. Imagine they had gone with a 6 lane Port Mann Bridge over the 10 lane configuration we have now? Yeah.

Next election in 2024? Still possible for this political football to get kicked again... the only work we'll see prior to then is the 'band-aid' improvements to a few spots... maybe the new Steveston Interchange?

[dharper]

Is there that many busses that use the tunnel to warrant having a separate bus only lane? You think it would be a Bus/HOV lane.

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by dharper

Is there that many busses that use the tunnel to warrant having a separate bus only lane? You think it would be a Bus/HOV lane.

Probably a bus + 6 persons HOV lanes. You will probably have many cops stationed at each end of the tunnel making bank off people using those lanes.

Originally Posted by Mininari

Next election in 2024? Still possible for this political football to get kicked again... the only work we'll see prior to then is the 'band-aid' improvements to a few spots... maybe the new Steveston Interchange?

I think it goes ahead anyways. The Mayors seem to love this idea.

This is what happens when too many chefs enter the kitchen. The Mayors could really give a rats ass about regional benefits. They just want to restrict traffic flow into their regions.