Manitoba | Highways - Page 52

drew · #**1021** Posted **Aug 10, 2021, 7:54 PM**

^ Meh. If you built a round-about with the same diameter as the Perimeter to 59 interchange - you would barely know you were on it.

bomberjet · #**1022** Posted **Aug 10, 2021, 8:01 PM**

This is a true point by Drew.

IIRC, they references the Hwy2/3 round-a-bout, which is most definitely not appropriate for #1/16.

I haven't seen any sort of drawings, studies, etc on the round-a-bout. So I would not expect shovels for some time yet.

esquire · #**1023** Posted **Aug 10, 2021, 8:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

^ Meh. If you built a round-about with the same diameter as the Perimeter to 59 interchange - you would barely know you were on it.

Considering property ownership around that area I half expect them to offer generous buyouts to build the biggest roundabout known to man

The head of Faurschou Farms was also a PC MLA not that long ago...

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**1024** Posted **Aug 10, 2021, 9:10 PM**

All the articles I keep reading say interchange for 1/16. (Recent articles) hopefully this was all just a joke about a roundabout going on a national highway system. Something more like this.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/publicroads/02nov/images/10bared4.jpg

OTA in Winnipeg · #**1025** Posted **Aug 11, 2021, 1:24 AM**

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Haha, awesome!

Dengler Avenue · #**1026** Posted **Aug 11, 2021, 2:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by OTA in Winnipeg

Haha, awesome!

I know right… There’s an invisible overpass for Highway 1.

WildCake · #**1027** Posted **Aug 11, 2021, 4:37 AM**

IIRC if you look at that provincial highway construction map they just released 1/16 is slated for 2022.

BuildUpWpg · #**1028** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 6:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by WildCake

IIRC if you look at that provincial highway construction map they just released 1/16 is slated for 2022.

Construction or just a study?

Spocket · #**1029** Posted **Aug 12, 2021, 10:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

All the articles I keep reading say interchange for 1/16. (Recent articles) hopefully this was all just a joke about a roundabout going on a national highway system. Something more like this.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/publicroads/02nov/images/10bared4.jpg

It's too late even if it were a joke initially. Now the province has heard of the idea and will do it no matter what because it's the cheapest, worst way they could think of. If it were a joke, it's not anymore.

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**1030** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 4:17 AM**

It just doesn’t make sense. Ron schuler has said on many of his press conferences that they want to make #1 and 75 freeway status. Building a roundabout on a major highway is not only taking many steps backwards but is not ethical or beneficial in any way.

Dengler Avenue · #**1031** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 10:39 AM**

Maybe freeway simply means “free of traffic lights” in MIT-Speaks.

bomberjet · #**1032** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 12:50 PM**

To Drew's point. At what point does a round-a-bout stop actually becoming a round-a-bout? If the circle is big enough, it's more like an actual interchange I suppose.

WildCake · #**1033** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 6:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

To Drew's point. At what point does a round-a-bout stop actually becoming a round-a-bout? If the circle is big enough, it's more like an actual interchange I suppose.

Probably when through traffic of the major thoroughfare(s) can continue straight on without having to slow down and turn or need to yield to oncoming traffic.

Unlikely that the design at 1/16 will allow TCH travelers to enter and exit the roundabout without having to yield to those currently traveling in the roundabout.

That picture you linked has both through traffic not needing to slow down, and just the people needing to execute a turn will have to go on the ramp and run through the roundabout.

Spocket · #**1034** Posted **Aug 14, 2021, 7:25 PM**

I'm not sure but I don't know of any completely free flowing roundabouts in any Canadian jurisdiction. Actually, no, there's one in Moncton but I'm not sure if you can maintain highway speeds entering and exiting it. I'm also not so sure it's the best solution in this case. Either way, there's no grade separation.

bomberjet · #**1035** Posted **Aug 16, 2021, 2:37 PM**

Portage Bypass interchange replacement final design.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/wms/structures/pdf/pth1_1a_open_house_board_august_2021.pdf

PTH 59N over floodway update. I drive through their regularly and the new bridge is well on it's way. It's also a lot higher than the existing and looks like they widened/straitened out the floodway on the west side.
https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/wms/structures/pdf/rrf_bridge_summer_newsletter_2021.pdf

esquire · #**1036** Posted **Aug 16, 2021, 2:42 PM**

^ Re: Portage West Interchange Design.

Not a fan. I don't think there should be entrances/exits, RIROs or roundabouts on off ramps and I don't know why MI keeps doing this. Simplicity and predictability should be the key. Don't complicate it. Force the businesses on the service road to drive the extra 1 km to a more logical access point (in this case the railway underpass shown on the diagram) and keep the interchange design clean.

At least they're finally fixing it though, so I guess that's something.

rrskylar · #**1037** Posted **Aug 16, 2021, 3:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spocket

I'm not sure but I don't know of any completely free flowing roundabouts in any Canadian jurisdiction. Actually, no, there's one in Moncton but I'm not sure if you can maintain highway speeds entering and exiting it. I'm also not so sure it's the best solution in this case. Either way, there's no grade separation.

I've seen and driven highway roundabouts in Ireland, they do work, not so sure though with the volume of traffic on the Trans Canada!

thebasketballgeek · #**1038** Posted **Aug 16, 2021, 3:27 PM**

Yea I think the roundabout is actually not a bad idea. I remember when I went to Chandigarh there was a lot of them and probably had some of the best traffic flow I’ve ever seen in an Indian city (tbf its not saying much)

bomberjet · #**1039** Posted **Aug 16, 2021, 4:22 PM**

I just went through the Portage thing. Construction to start this fall.

I'm not a fan of the round-abouts. But am not totally against them either. By the time any off ramp traffic get to those round-abouts, they should be down at 50/60 kmh speeds.

anthonyk · #**1040** Posted **Aug 16, 2021, 11:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

I just went through the Portage thing. Construction to start this fall.

I'm not a fan of the round-abouts. But am not totally against them either. By the time any off ramp traffic get to those round-abouts, they should be down at 50/60 kmh speeds.

Lots of people are noting that the roundabout won't be that bad because people will have to slow down approaching it, but some people apparently don't even slow down for the red light that's currently there. Too many crashes here, I think it skills be a parclo.