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Old Posted Aug 13, 2021, 2:50 PM
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NYC city proper is actually about 300 sq. miles. So Greater London is slightly more than twice the physical size.

Anyways, the two aren't apples-apples comparable. Greater London isn't a municipality, it's a region, and a huge chunk of Greater London's geography is suburban, and more like the Home Counties. If Bronxville or Montclair or Great Neck were in the UK, they'd probably be in Greater London.

And it's really metro areas that define city size. "NY" has been more populous than "London" since probably the 1920's-1930's or thereabouts.
With NYC, if we add the small county of Hudson County in NJ, it swells to easily over 9 million. Given how intertwined they both are, the figures really start to add up once we factor the cities along the Hudson on the Jersey side.
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Anyhow, I have clearly been sleeping on my own hometown. My entire life I have considered the cities and towns part of the old Pacific Bell Oakland phone book to be the immediate Oakland-Berkeley 'Area'. I know there's a lot of building, but

City----------------2020---------2010-------10-Year Growth--
Oakland.............440,031.....390,724...+49,922...+12.8%
Berkeley ...........124,321......112,514...+11,741...+10.4%
San Leandro.......91,008........84,950.....+6,058.....+7.1%
Alameda.............78,280........73,812.....+4,468.....+6.0%
San Lorenzo........29,581.......23,452.....+6,129.....+26.1%
El Cerrito............25,962.......23,549......+2,413.....+10.2%
Ashland...............23,823.......21,925.....+1,898.....+8.6%
Albany.................20,271........18,539....+1,732.....+9.3%
Emeryville...........12,905.........10,080....+2,793....+27.7%
Piedmont............11,270........10,667......+603......+5.6%
Kensington............5,428..........5,077.....+351......+6.9%
Total.................862,881.....775,740...+87,141...+11.2%

Oh, and this covers about 104 sq miles.

I think the area might actually surpass the city sooner than later..
From Oakland to Sactown
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I always wonder what the stats would be like if they were more affordable or say we really ramped up the amount of units being built. In places like NJ and NYC for example.
I wish the expensive city narrative would die already, lol. This census is proof positive that high cost areas are booming. The inexpensive areas are the laggards.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2021, 3:09 PM
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San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA Combined Statistical Area
2020: 9,720,023
2010: 8,923,942
Change: +796,081 (+8.92%)
Thank you for the exact numbers.

I have been tracking the growth of the traditional 9-county Bay Area and surrounding 15 counties for many years because I consider these counties the region's commuter shed-so far, 5 outside counties(Pop 1.9 million) have been merged into the Bay Area and now the area borders Fresno, which is insane, but the requirements are met so here we are.

So the 2010s represents the 7th decade in a row that the Bay Area and Greater Area grew by 1 million+.

Bay Area CSA+Surrounding 10 Counties:
2020: 12,999,653
2010: 11,906,297
Change: +1,093,356 (+9.18%)
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Yeah, New York overtook London as the largest urban area in the world in the 1920s. Tokyo overtook New York in the 1960s and still holds the title today.
The Pearl River Delta is arguably a single metro, with a population of about 80 million.
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NYC city proper is actually about 300 sq. miles. So Greater London is slightly more than twice the physical size.

Anyways, the two aren't apples-apples comparable. Greater London isn't a municipality, it's a region, and a huge chunk of Greater London's geography is suburban, and more like the Home Counties. If Bronxville or Montclair or Great Neck were in the UK, they'd probably be in Greater London.

And it's really metro areas that define city size. "NY" has been more populous than "London" since probably the 1920's-1930's or thereabouts.
London region has been consistently growing much faster for the past 25 years though. And in a given radius (100km), London had already surpassed New York, reversing the mentioned 1930's tookover.


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The Pearl River Delta is arguably a single metro, with a population of about 80 million.
Pearl River Delta has 60 million inh. (2020 Census) and it's more a collection of metropolitan areas (Guangzhou-Fuzhou, Shenzhen) than a single one.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2021, 3:17 PM
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From Oakland to Sactown
The Bay Area and back down
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LOL...I havent heard that song in a minute

Someone here dubbed the area in question "MegaloNorCal" and it definitely feels like it.
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The Pearl River Delta is arguably a single metro, with a population of about 80 million.
It's more like a CSA than a Metro Area.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2021, 3:20 PM
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Thank you for the exact numbers.

I have been tracking the growth of the traditional 9-county Bay Area and surrounding 15 counties for many years because I consider these counties the region's commuter shed-so far, 5 outside counties(Pop 1.9 million) have been merged into the Bay Area and now the area borders Fresno, which is insane, but the requirements are met so here we are.

So the 2010s represents the 7th decade in a row that the Bay Area and Greater Area grew by 1 million+.

Bay Area CSA+Surrounding 10 Counties:
2020: 12,999,653
2010: 11,906,297
Change: +1,093,356 (+9.18%)
I like the older CSA definition better, without the added Central Valley counties. It reached 9 million inh., with a solid 8.5% growth, faster than the national average.
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London region has been consistently growing much faster for the past 25 years though. And in a given radius (100km), London had already surpassed New York, reversing the mentioned 1930's tookover.
London's 100km still doesn't quite overtake NY's according to the population finder tool. But it also includes a lot of non-London area, while NY's includes a lot of ocean.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2021, 3:35 PM
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London's 100km still doesn't quite overtake NY's according to the population finder tool. But it also includes a lot of non-London area, while NY's includes a lot of ocean.
In any case this gap used to be much wider few decades ago.

Even though New York sprawl is massive, engulfing rural/exurb counties far far away, London is very well connected by transit with its satellites cities. As the population in Southeast England keeps growing fast, Green Belt been relaxed, the lines between London and those satellites will become increasingly more blurred.
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Being in my LA County/California bubble, what's notable for me:

Percentage-wise, the city of Los Angeles only grew by 2.8%, but in actual numbers:

Los Angeles ^ 106,126 people.

San Diego ^ 79,530
San Francisco ^ 68,730
San Jose ^ 67,298
Sacramento ^ 58,455
Fresno ^ 47,442

In Orange County, Irvine grew by 44.9%! It now has a population of 307,670, but doesn't feel like a medium-sized city at all... just a collection of tract homes, shopping centers, office parks, and a UC campus that looks like an office park. There has been some construction of multi-family housing in Irvine too, so I assume that's what has also contributed to its increase in numbers, as well as some annexations of large tracts of land.

In the LA County big suburbs, Santa Clarita grew by 29.7% and is now 228,673... and like Irvine, just feels like a collection of tract homes, shopping centers... though it also includes some old established communities that used to be unincorporated.

Long Beach only grew by 1%, to a population of 462,257.

Glendale only grew by 2.5%, to a population of 196, 543

Pasadena only grew by 1.2%, to a population of 138,699.

I haven't seen the numbers yet for my town, South Pasadena, or my hometown suburb, Cerritos. I'd like to know if the population went up or down, and the racial/ethnic makeup of both of them.
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Atlanta is now has a black plurality rather than majority. Seems like it's following in DC's steps of becoming whiter and less black.

White: 39.8%
Black: 47.2%
Asian: 4.5%
Other: 2.4%
Two or More: 5.8%
Hispanic/Latino: 6%
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That metric is...strange to me. It's like a boomerang metric. It's not valueless, it just has limitations. The more Latinos become predominant in Texas and California, the lower their diversity index will be. It's sort of like the large scale version of Detroit, the least diverse large city despite being largely POC.
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This also helps to understand the Diversity Index:


Figure 2, the second hypothetical example, shows a population with four equally sized groups where the DI is 75%. The chance that the two people come from different race and ethnic groups is increased, even though the size of each group is smaller than in the first example.


Figure 3 shows a hypothetical population with four unequally sized groups and a DI of 70%. Comparing Figure 2 and Figure 3, we see that the relative size of the racial and ethnic groups affects the DI score by decreasing the probability when some groups are larger than the others.



The DI for actual data from the 2010 Census for the United States and selected states illustrate how the metric can vary based on the distribution of the population by race and ethnicity. In 2010, there was a 54.9% chance that two people chosen at random from the U.S. population would be from different race or ethnicity groups (Figure 4). In 2020 the DI score increased to 61.1%.



Prevalence Rankings and Diffusion Score

We can also measure racial and ethnic diversity using prevalence rankings and the diffusion score.

With prevalence rankings, which show the most common group in an area, we look at patterns in the percentage of the population that falls into the largest race or ethnic group, second-largest group, and third-largest group. The prevalence ranking approach uses tables or graphs to show the percentages of the largest groups.
From the rankings on 2010 Census data, we find:

The White alone, non-Hispanic population was the largest racial or ethnic group in the United States at 63.7%.

The Hispanic population was the second-largest at 16.3%.

The Black or African American alone, non-Hispanic population was third-largest at 12.2%.

The diffusion score measures the percentage of the population that is not in the first-, second- or third-largest racial and ethnic groups combined. This metric tells us how diverse and unconcentrated the population is relative to the three largest groups.

For example, the diffusion score for the United States was 7.7% in 2010, as 7.7% of the population was not one of the three largest racial or ethnic groups. When we look across the country, we see a lot of variation in the diffusion scores by state in 2010. The Diffusion Score in 2020 was 11.4%.

The diffusion score was highest in Hawaii at 20.1% (21.8% in 2020), indicating that one-fifth of the population was in a racial or ethnic group that was not one of the three largest groups for the state.
The next highest diffusion score was for Alaska with 15.1% (17.9% in 2020), followed by Oklahoma with 14.3% (17.8% in 2020).


The lowest diffusion score was in West Virginia at 2.1%.
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A very interesting California development...

So it looks like the Bay Area CSA actually had greater numerical growth than the LA CSA in the 2010s.

2010-2010
Bay Area CSA......+789,000...+9.4%
Los Angeles CSA..+767,000....+4.2%

The San Francisco Metro Area also outgrew the Los Angeles Metro Area by numerical number.

2010-2010
San Francisco Metro Area(MSA).... +412,000...+9.5%
Los Angeles Metro Area(MSA)........+372,000...+2.8%

County...........................2020....2010.....% Change

Santa Clara County.............1,936...1,781...+8.7%
Alameda County.................1,682...1,510...+11.3%
Contra Costa County...........1,165....1,049...+11.0%
San Francisco County..........873......805.......+8.4%
San Joaquin County............779......685......+13.7%
San Mateo County...............764......718......+6.4%
Stanislaus County................552......514......+6.8%
Sonoma County...................488......483......+1.0%
Solano County.....................453......413.....+9.6%
Merced County.....................281.....255.....+10.1%
Santa Cruz County................270......262......+3.0%
Marin County.......................262......252.....+3.9%
Napa County........................138......136.....+1.4%
San Benito County..................64........55....+16.3%
Bay Area CSA.................9,707.....8,918 ...+8.8%

Los Angeles.....................10,014....9,818.....+1.9%
Orange.............................3,186.....3,010.....+5.8%.
Riverside...........................2,418.....2,189....+10.0%
San Bernardino..................2,181.....2,035......+7.1%
Ventura...............................843........823......+2.4%
Los Angeles CSA..............18,642...17,875.....+4.2%
I wonder what's causing the slower growth rates in LA relative to the Bay Area.
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