The US Census Bureau thread - Page 117

proghousehead · #**2321** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 12:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by yuriandrade

For the first time in history, New York metro area grew faster than Los Angeles metro area: 6.25% vs 4.29%.

When they released state numbers, I suspected that would happen. It’s a massive thing as the story of Los Angeles overcoming New York has been around for the past 60 years.

For the first time in history? I doubt that. I mean, I’m sure there were periods in the 1700, 1800, and early 1900s where NY growth rate surpassed LA.

James Bond Agent 007 · #**2322** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 12:59 AM**

They now have the 2020 Census numbers on Census Quickfacts.

Kansas City breached 500K!!
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/ka...tycitymissouri

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Population, Census, April 1, 2020 508,090

ChiSoxRox · #**2323** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 1:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by proghousehead

For the first time in history? I doubt that. I mean, I’m sure there were periods in the 1700, 1800, and early 1900s where NY growth rate surpassed LA.

Using LA County and the modern five boroughs as very quick proxies for pre-sprawl LA and NYC, LA County has outpaced the five boroughs in every Census since its formation until 2000. So this is very likely the first time since LA has been American (1848) that the NYC metro has grown faster.

I've found my most surprising exception to the urban rebound so far: Milwaukee had a rough Census.

Journal-Sentinel

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The City of Milwaukee lost nearly 3% of its population in the last 10 years, leaving it at its lowest population since 1930, but saw growth in some communities of color, according to 2020 U.S. Census data released Thursday.

In the last six decades, the city has lost more than one-fifth of its population, down from 741,324 in 1960.

The figures released Thursday tallied the city's population at 577,222, reflecting an exodus of more than 17,000 people since 2010.

The overall population of the county has also decreased.

Yuri · #**2324** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 1:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by proghousehead

For the first time in history? I doubt that. I mean, I’m sure there were periods in the 1700, 1800, and early 1900s where NY growth rate surpassed LA.

Yeah, but it wasn’t a city, but a collection of Spanish missions.

Anyway, the US came slightly better than the estimates and that’s exclusively due to Northeast and the Great Lakes states. Very promising, specially as natural growth there is much smaller than elsewhere.

subterranean · #**2325** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 1:06 AM**

More than half of US counties experienced population decline. The next 100 years should be interest from a food production standpoint.

ChiSoxRox · #**2326** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 1:42 AM**

On a grim note, Detroit has surpassed St. Louis as the 100k+ city most shrunken from its peak.

Detroit:
1950 - 1,849,568
2020 - 639,111
Change: -65.4%

St. Louis
1950 - 856,796
2020 - 301,578
Change: -64.8%

Yuri · #**2327** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 1:47 AM**

Checking out the numbers, not only New York grew faster than Los Angeles, but Philadelphia and Baltimore as well. Ditto for Boston but that was expected.

I wouldn’t be surprised if BosWash grow faster than the US in the next decade.

SpawnOfVulcan · #**2328** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 1:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by tdawg

Huntsville, AL’s number is shockingly above the estimate and it is now comfortably Alabama’s largest city and growing like kudzu.

More like an amoeba...

Source: Google Maps

It won't be long till 2 or 3 of the counties surrounding Madison County (Huntsville) are added to the MSA and make one of the least densely populated in the country.

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Originally Posted by deja vu

Wow this surprises me too. It came in ~14,500 above the 2019 estimate.

Birmingham came in at 200,733; Huntsville at 215,006. Birmingham was at 212,237 in 2010; Huntsville at 180,105.

Are there other examples of first and second place cities switching, in other states?

Alabama itself came in ~100,000 higher than the estimate. Another surprise came with the population of Jefferson County (Birmingham); it grew by about 16,000. First population gain by JeffCo since the 90s.

Randomguy34 · #**2329** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 1:51 AM**

New York City and London are basically neck-to-neck in terms of population. Will be interesting to see which one reaches 10 million first

James Bond Agent 007 · #**2330** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 1:52 AM**

Interesting observation:
https://twitter.com/gebeloffnyt/stat...00118474170369

subterranean · #**2331** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 2:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by James Bond Agent 007

Interesting observation:
https://twitter.com/gebeloffnyt/stat...00118474170369

Semantics.

eschaton · #**2332** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 2:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by subterranean

Semantics.

Well, I do think it's probably more accurate that around 20% of Latinos pass as white within the U.S. context than 50%.

At the same time, I wonder what changed from 2010-2020 which resulted in 30% of Latinos abandoning self-identification as white people.

subterranean · #**2333** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 2:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by eschaton

Well, I do think it's probably more accurate that around 20% of Latinos pass as white within the U.S. context than 50%.

At the same time, I wonder what changed from 2010-2020 which resulted in 30% of Latinos abandoning self-identification as white people.

Because we’re awful and extremely uncool.

James Bond Agent 007 · #**2334** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 2:38 AM**

Random tidbits ...

East St Louis is down to 18,469 people
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...nois/PST045219
Gary, Indiana is down to 69,093 people
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...iana/PST045219
Philly gained 3.8%
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...ania/PST045219
Buffalo lost 2.3%
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...york/PST045219
Rochester lost 2.4%
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...york/PST045219

James Bond Agent 007 · #**2335** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 2:42 AM**

Also, I don't know if they did a bad estimate for 2019 or if St Louis started to gain a bit of population last year, but the 2019 census estimate for St Louis was about 1,000 lower than the 2020 count:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...ouri/PST045219

Yuri · #**2336** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 2:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by eschaton

Well, I do think it's probably more accurate that around 20% of Latinos pass as white within the U.S. context than 50%.

At the same time, I wonder what changed from 2010-2020 which resulted in 30% of Latinos abandoning self-identification as white people.

Maybe they’ve changed the forms?

eschaton · #**2337** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 2:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by James Bond Agent 007

Random tidbits ...

East St Louis is down to 18,469 people
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...nois/PST045219
Gary, Indiana is down to 69,093 people
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...iana/PST045219
Philly gained 3.8%
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...ania/PST045219
Buffalo lost 2.3%
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...york/PST045219
Rochester lost 2.4%
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...york/PST045219

Those all appear to be 2019 numbers.

Pedestrian · #**2338** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 2:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by subterranean

More than half of US counties experienced population decline. The next 100 years should be interest from a food production standpoint.

Giant corporate farms may well be more productive than smaller family operations, at least in terms of volume of food produced (not considering quality).

The latest trends are to use satellite data and other high tech to determine where to irrigate, where to apply fertilizer and pesticides and all other manner of things that only larger operations may be able to afford.

So I doubt the loss of residents in farm country is going to mean a loss of production, especially if transient workers aren't counted in the population (as they may or may not have been depending on when the count was made).

Pedestrian · #**2339** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 2:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by eschaton

Well, I do think it's probably more accurate that around 20% of Latinos pass as white within the U.S. context than 50%.

At the same time, I wonder what changed from 2010-2020 which resulted in 30% of Latinos abandoning self-identification as white people.

It's not a matter of "passing". You are what you say you are. If somebody named Hernandez considers themselves white, they are white as far as the census and US government goes. If somebody like Liz Warren chooses to say they are Native American, nobody for this purpose will say otherwise (they may if she tries to apply for some benefit on that account).

In fact, I would consider somebody from Spain to be as "white" as somebody from France or Italy. "Hispanic" really suggests Amerind genes in the US, what is sometimes called "mestizo". And that is not always correct or when it is, those genes may be very diluted by good old European ones (or, in the case of many countries, African ones).

All of which is why for me the whole obsession is so silly.

dave8721 · #**2340** Posted **Aug 13, 2021, 3:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by mhays

A map with census tract densities! They've of course subdivided a lot of tracts. I'm in heaven.

https://mtgis-portal.geo.census.gov/...ed2b2fd7ff6eb7

i see Miami now has 3 tracts with over 100k per square mile densities, and they are all pretty much next to each other in Brickell. A 4th Brickell tract has 99k per square mile. Previously most of brickell was in weird tracts with less sense areas to the SW.