HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > General Discussion


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1061  
Old Posted Jun 19, 2021, 5:24 PM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam
Posts: 39,880
is Metrotown getting worse?

Burnaby man who got shoved on the street says Metrotown ‘going downhill fast’
https://www.burnabynow.com/local-news/bu...ys-metrotown-going-downhill-fast-3889232
__________________
belowitall
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1062  
Old Posted Jun 19, 2021, 9:18 PM
Klazu's Avatar
Klazu Klazu is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Above Metro Vancouver clouds
Posts: 10,387
The answer is yes. The decline is not as fast as it is in Vancouver, but it is definitely happening. I also got yesterday shouted to by some clearly crazy Karen on the street.

This is a Metro Vancouver wide problem and has everything to do with our leaders not doing anything about the rampart drug and homeless problem, which are one and the same problem.

It is also a problem that spade is not being called spade anymore and also in the article these instigators are described almost as the victim as they are "suffering from mental illness" or being "emotionally unstable". In plain English, these people have melted their brains using drugs and are criminals for attacking people. It isn't more difficult than that.

I bet Vancouver won't retain its 2021 16th place on the Most Livable Cities list next year. Maybe 61th?

Last edited by Klazu; Jun 20, 2021 at 6:16 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1063  
Old Posted Jun 19, 2021, 10:28 PM
trofirhen trofirhen is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 9,040
Quote:
Originally Posted by Klazu View Post
The answer is yes. The decline is not as fast as it is in Vancouver, but it is definitely happening. I also got yesterday shouted to by some clearly crazy Karen on the street.

This is a Metro Vancouver wide problem and has everything to do with our leaders not doing anything about the rampart drug and homeless problem, which are one and the same problem.

It is also a problem that spade is not being called spade anymore and also in the article these instigators are described almost as the victim as they are "suffering from mental illness" or being "emotionally unstable". In plaing English, these people have melted their brains using drugs and are criminals. It isn't more difficult than that.

I bet Vancouver won't retain its 2021 16th place on the Most Livable Cities list next year. Maybe 61th?
My opinion only, but yes, I get your point. What saddens and angers me is that regarding homelessness, civic leaders will come up with all kinds of "reasons" and "theories" of why it is happening, but the fact seems that they are simply to weak to address it. In my opinion (and it's just an opinion among 7+ billion people) is that housing is a basic human right, as is clean water, breathable air, and access to medical treatment.

Whereas in Third World countries, this may be difficult, here in Canada, there is no excuse for it. Take an opinion poll in Vancouver, and ask what is the most pressing issue facing the city. The majority of answers indicate housing. The cut-throat 'bleed 'em white rents being charged are not indexed to salaries or the cost of inflation, nor do they take into account people on disability pensions, people on pensions, or even working poor people. Several European countries, mostly in the North, have aggressive stances on this (Like HLM in France) but that seems largely beyond consideration here, on the grounds that it will 'stifle investment' or that it is contrary to market principles.

Mental illness* and drug addiction are more complex topics. Much drug addiction arises from severe mental illness, and yes, the behaviours of certain ill/addicted people can be classified as criminal, if it infringes on the life and well being of other people. Mental illness can be the result of maladaptation to traumatic early life circulstance and/or be the result of faulty neurobiology. Such people are usually diagnosed, given a handicap pension (better than an eusthanizing needle or a kick in the pants) but are then left to fend for themselves, if they are not institutionalized. The resulant homeless, drug-addicted population is a testimony to that.

*IMHO a total and radical paradigm shift is necesary both in the consideration and adressing of housing, and equally importantly, in the treatment of handicpped, chemical dependant people. This, however, is a total long shot, and given the inherently self-interested nature of human beings, it is unlikely for any real change. * Unless I am wrong, and I don't think I am, but wish I were.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1064  
Old Posted Jul 25, 2021, 9:47 PM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam
Posts: 39,880
which area would you most like to see if you could jump ahead 5 years? With so many areas with upcoming and under-construction projects some areas will be totally different in 5 years

Brentwood
Metrotown
Lougheed
Burquitlam
Surrey Central
Joyce
Main & Broadway
Olympic Village
Arbutus & Broadway
Richmond Centre
Coquitlam Centre

???
__________________
belowitall
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1065  
Old Posted Jul 25, 2021, 9:58 PM
jollyburger jollyburger is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 15,358
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpongeG View Post
which area would you most like to see if you could jump ahead 5 years? With so many areas with upcoming and under-construction projects some areas will be totally different in 5 years

Brentwood
Metrotown
Lougheed
Burquitlam
Surrey Central
Joyce
Main & Broadway
Olympic Village
Arbutus & Broadway
Richmond Centre
Coquitlam Centre

???
Just based on projects under or close to construction I would probably go with Lougheed. Architecture wise Alberni would probably be on my list if they had 3-4 more projects close to starting construction.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1066  
Old Posted Jul 26, 2021, 3:17 PM
WarrenC12's Avatar
WarrenC12 WarrenC12 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: East OV!
Posts: 24,451
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpongeG View Post
which area would you most like to see if you could jump ahead 5 years? With so many areas with upcoming and under-construction projects some areas will be totally different in 5 years

Brentwood
Metrotown
Lougheed
Burquitlam
Surrey Central
Joyce
Main & Broadway
Olympic Village
Arbutus & Broadway
Richmond Centre
Coquitlam Centre

???
Oakridge and Senakw!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1067  
Old Posted Jul 26, 2021, 8:52 PM
svlt svlt is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarrenC12 View Post
Oakridge and Senakw!
Not sure Senakw would be anywhere near done (or even started?) but Oakridge would look sensational (I hope).

Lougheed would have completed their first phase and onto the second but it'll be a work in progress for another 20 years as they continue to densify.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1068  
Old Posted Jul 26, 2021, 9:34 PM
Migrant_Coconut's Avatar
Migrant_Coconut Migrant_Coconut is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Kitsilano/Fairview
Posts: 9,985
Remember that Senakw doesn't need City Hall's approval - I'd expect them to start as early as next year.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1069  
Old Posted Jul 26, 2021, 9:50 PM
WarrenC12's Avatar
WarrenC12 WarrenC12 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: East OV!
Posts: 24,451
Quote:
Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut View Post
Remember that Senakw doesn't need City Hall's approval - I'd expect them to start as early as next year.
I thought they wanted to start in 2021. I agree they can skip some steps with the City, but it's still a big project to get moving.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1070  
Old Posted Jul 26, 2021, 10:03 PM
jollyburger jollyburger is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 15,358
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarrenC12 View Post
I thought they wanted to start in 2021. I agree they can skip some steps with the City, but it's still a big project to get moving.
Early 2021 and finish all the phases within five years.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1071  
Old Posted Jul 26, 2021, 10:11 PM
Changing City's Avatar
Changing City Changing City is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 7,934
Quote:
Originally Posted by jollyburger View Post
Early 2021 and finish all the phases within five years.
Perhaps a bit optimistic. We know there are local residents trying to throw sand in the gears for anything they can (like the City's approval of the road on the edge of the park to access the site) for example. Some of other details on the project website suggest complicated negotiations to get approvals - although maybe they can be obtained fast. For example "With aspirations to be 100% GHG-free, all of Senákw's heating and cooling will be produced by a new 10MW district energy system fed by waste heat from Metro Vancouver's adjacent sewer infrastructure." But the website now says they aim to be "Ready to commence construction in 2021". Although that's slightly weasel worded? I guess we'll see in about 5 months.
__________________
Contemporary Vancouver development blog, https://changingcitybook.wordpress.com/ Then and now Vancouver blog https://changingvancouver.wordpress.com/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1072  
Old Posted Jul 27, 2021, 12:28 AM
jollyburger jollyburger is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 15,358
Quote:
Originally Posted by Changing City View Post
Perhaps a bit optimistic. We know there are local residents trying to throw sand in the gears for anything they can (like the City's approval of the road on the edge of the park to access the site) for example. Some of other details on the project website suggest complicated negotiations to get approvals - although maybe they can be obtained fast. For example "With aspirations to be 100% GHG-free, all of Senákw's heating and cooling will be produced by a new 10MW district energy system fed by waste heat from Metro Vancouver's adjacent sewer infrastructure." But the website now says they aim to be "Ready to commence construction in 2021". Although that's slightly weasel worded? I guess we'll see in about 5 months.
Latest article about Squamish Nation housing projects mentioned just starting on the West side Phase 1 later this year.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/squamish-first-nation-housing-referendum
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1073  
Old Posted Jul 27, 2021, 2:16 AM
Migrant_Coconut's Avatar
Migrant_Coconut Migrant_Coconut is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Kitsilano/Fairview
Posts: 9,985
Then the Save Vanier Park crowd better hurry up, they're on the clock!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1074  
Old Posted Jul 27, 2021, 8:11 PM
whatnext whatnext is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 27,360
Quote:
Originally Posted by Changing City View Post
Perhaps a bit optimistic. We know there are local residents trying to throw sand in the gears for anything they can (like the City's approval of the road on the edge of the park to access the site) for example. Some of other details on the project website suggest complicated negotiations to get approvals - although maybe they can be obtained fast. For example "With aspirations to be 100% GHG-free, all of Senákw's heating and cooling will be produced by a new 10MW district energy system fed by waste heat from Metro Vancouver's adjacent sewer infrastructure." But the website now says they aim to be "Ready to commence construction in 2021". Although that's slightly weasel worded? I guess we'll see in about 5 months.
I would have thought the bike lobby would have been more concerned about that road. It certainly paves the way for more vehicles turning across the Burrard Bridge bike lanes to access Chestnut and that road.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1075  
Old Posted Jul 27, 2021, 10:08 PM
Migrant_Coconut's Avatar
Migrant_Coconut Migrant_Coconut is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Kitsilano/Fairview
Posts: 9,985
They can put a light there if they need to. But it's easier for the south side to get out through Fir Street (or just take a bus), so I'm not seeing the point.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1076  
Old Posted Jul 27, 2021, 10:30 PM
whatnext whatnext is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 27,360
Quote:
Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut View Post
They can put a light there if they need to. But it's easier for the south side to get out through Fir Street (or just take a bus), so I'm not seeing the point.
A light? For bikes? That they would actually stop for?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1077  
Old Posted Jul 27, 2021, 10:45 PM
Klazu's Avatar
Klazu Klazu is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Above Metro Vancouver clouds
Posts: 10,387
I was going to say the same. Most cyclists seem to be color blind.

Maybe there should be an over or underpass to help both modes of traffic at a busy location like this? We do have very few of those in the Metro.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1078  
Old Posted Jul 27, 2021, 11:43 PM
GenWhy? GenWhy? is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 4,736
Cypress has lights. Not sure why a car entrance would be needed at Chesnut still. Already feels unsafe as a cyclist and pedestrian there.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1079  
Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 12:04 AM
jollyburger jollyburger is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 15,358
Quote:
Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
Cypress has lights. Not sure why a car entrance would be needed at Chesnut still. Already feels unsafe as a cyclist and pedestrian there.
Is that bicycle exit from the bridge just for the Senakw bicycle parking or is it also a new bypass down to the bicycle lane for people headed west?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1080  
Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 12:06 AM
whatnext whatnext is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 27,360
Quote:
Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
Cypress has lights. Not sure why a car entrance would be needed at Chesnut still. Already feels unsafe as a cyclist and pedestrian there.
There already is a car entrance at Chestnut from Cornwall.

Spend time at Cypress and Cornwall. It's a gongshow with traffic for the stripmall, cyclists and pedestrians.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > General Discussion
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 1:51 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.