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I warned you guys about this a few months ago! Prepare to be annoyed!

https://globalnews.ca/news/8039614/governor-general-mary-simon-official-languages-investigation/
Not sure what's to "investigate". The facts seem pretty clear.
     
     
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Not sure what's to "investigate". The facts seem pretty clear.
Don't really disagree that much, but who said facts were important in 2020-2021?
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Don't really disagree that much, but who said facts were important in 2020-2021?
Have facts ever been important in politics?

Everyone who cared (all 2% of them who could name the GG) knew the politics of this.

I'm actually more surprised there were only 400 complaints.
     
     
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Well at least we know where 3 of those 400 complaints came from

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Let me say that I firmly believe that our country's leadership (PM and GG) should be bilingual in both official languages.

That said, I am amazed (err, not really). Not at how incredibly sensitive some people are at anything that is perceived as a slight or injustice against Quebec/French-speaking people, but the fact that those people who are the most shrill in their sensitivity are the very same ones that seem utterly incapable at recognizing anything that could be perceived as a slight or injustice against other minority groups.
     
     
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Well at least we know where 3 of those 400 complaints came from



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I've been too busy to file a complaint yet, but it's a good idea! Thanks dleung for bringing it up
     
     
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Have facts ever been important in politics?

Everyone who cared (all 2% of them who could name the GG) knew the politics of this.

I'm actually more surprised there were only 400 complaints.
What surprises me is that the Commissioner of Official Languages has judged these complaints worthy of an official inquiry.

(A certain number of top positions in the federal apparatus are generally - maybe even legally - outside the provisions of the Official Languages Act and therefore not of the purview of the Commissioner.)
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If she's the Queen's representative in Canada, it should be enough that her boss the Queen speaks French. Apparently Prince Charles is fluent also.
     
     
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If she's the Queen's representative in Canada, it should be enough that her boss the Queen speaks French. Apparently Prince Charles is fluent also.
No legal requirement for the Queen/King to be able to speak French.
     
     
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I would think that it's more important that the Canadian who represents the Crown on Canadian soil speak both of our official languages than it is for the ultimate holder of that Crown who resides in a foreign land.

In any event, I don't believe that Elizabeth II really speaks French because of her status as Queen of Canada.

There is a long-standing tradition of "knowing French" among many European royal families, and this is quite true of the Brits of course. For obvious reasons.
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They don't call a common 2nd language the lingua franca for nothing
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They don't call a common 2nd language the lingua franca for nothing
English isn't a second language for most Canadians though.
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No legal requirement for the Queen/King to be able to speak French.
I would imagine there's also no legal requirement for the Queen/King to be able to speak any English. So that argument is pretty much pointless.

The absence of requirement does not mean it's not required in practice; it just means not enough people have yet thought it needed to formally require it. For example, I'd bet there's no rule that says you can't be elected President of Poland if you have no knowledge of the Polish language at all. In practice, that's unlikely so no need for a rule.
     
     
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I would imagine there's also no legal requirement for the Queen/King to be able to speak any English. So that argument is pretty much pointless.

The absence of requirement does not mean it's not required in practice; it just means not enough people have yet thought it needed to formally require it. For example, I'd bet there's no rule that says you can't be elected President of Poland if you have no knowledge of the Polish language at all. In practice, that's unlikely so no need for a rule.
Wrt the GG, the latest appointment would indicate that it is also not required in practice, at least at the time of appointment if covered with an undertaking to learn.
     
     
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Depends how you define "required in practice". I would define it in a way that allows a once in a blue moon exception. For example, I would not allow the 2011 federal election to "prove that in practice you can be elected in the Trois-Rivières area without any knowledge of French".

In practice, you need some knowledge of Russian to have a realistic shot at being Vladimir Putin's successor. But that's a 99.9% requirement, not a 100% one. Huge difference there; strange things sometimes happen.
     
     
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Franco-Albertan dude gets shit kicked out of him for being too uppity about speaking French with cops. Gets $22k settlement.

For some reason I can't find any articles about this in English. Sorry guys. Guess the anglo media is too busy with stories about 16 year old minimum wage McDonald's drive-through staff in Longueuil who dared say "je ne parle pas anglais".

https://l-express.ca/brutalite-policiere-alberta/

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1801582/mario-dube-francophone-alberta-arrestation-police
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Franco-Albertan dude gets shit kicked out of him for being too uppity about speaking French with cops. Gets $22k settlement.

For some reason I can't find any articles about this in English. Sorry guys. Guess the anglo media is too busy with stories about 16 year old minimum wage McDonald's drive-through staff in Longueuil who dared say "je ne parle pas anglais".

https://l-express.ca/brutalite-policiere-alberta/

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1801582/mario-dube-francophone-alberta-arrestation-police
Could you imagin the uproar in anglo media in an anglophone was beaten by French-speaking Québec cops for speaking in English. There would probably have calls for the U.N. to intervene and protect the English-speaking minority in Québec...
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Could you imagin the uproar in anglo media in an anglophone was beaten by French-speaking Québec cops for speaking in English. There would probably have calls for the U.N. to intervene and protect the English-speaking minority in Québec...
Do you think they would send in the army?
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A spot-on editorial in the Globe & Mail today:

An investigation into Mary Simon’s nomination for governor-general is a colonialist insult
Gary Mason
PUBLISHED JULY 22, 2021

The Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages has announced it is investigating the process for nominating governors-general in Canada. This comes, we are told, after the office received “hundreds of complaints” from people upset that the latest nominee, Mary Simon, is not fluent in French.

That there would be some, especially in Quebec, who resented the fact Ms. Simon, an Inuk and the first Indigenous person to be nominated for the position, did not speak one of Canada’s two official languages was a given. The fact we are now going to dignify their grievance with a formal investigation is insulting.

Ms. Simon is the governor-general this country needs right now. Full stop.

It’s unfortunate it took a crisis for the federal government to finally appoint someone to Rideau Hall that represented Indigenous peoples in this country....

...Ms. Simon represents hope – hope that perhaps meaningful reconciliation is indeed possible one day. While the job she will be taking is mostly a symbolic one, her nomination is important. Since its inception, the governor-general’s position has been filled mostly with white elites.

Critics say that by appointing someone who does not speak French, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is establishing a precedent. Perhaps. Or maybe all he’s done is establish an exception to the rule.

Maybe if you speak Inuktitut, as Ms. Simon does, that should count for something. Maybe if you speak one of the country’s first languages, you should not have to learn two others – French and English – to qualify for such federal appointments. Maybe nothing should actually top being fluent in an Indigenous language.

Which is why I find an investigation into the nomination process used to select Ms. Simon so distasteful – so colonialist. That the anger toward her nomination comes mostly from Quebec is both surprising and not surprising.

I mean, francophones in Quebec know what being part of a linguistic minority feels like. Meanwhile, there are 11 Indigenous nations in the province and nine languages still active among those groups. I don’t see anyone in the provincial legislature fighting for their survival.

In fact, Quebec’s Bill 96, which toughens old language laws, is seen as another assault on Anglo institutions in the province. But by all means, let’s investigate the nomination of a distinguished Quebecker, someone who was made an Officer of l’Ordre national du Quebec – the highest distinction awarded by the government.

And let’s not forget that Ms. Simon, by being educated in a federal day school in Nunavik, was denied the opportunity to learn French....


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...ns-nomination-for-governor-general-is-a/
     
     
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A spot-on editorial in the Globe & Mail today:

An investigation into Mary Simon’s nomination for governor-general is a colonialist insult
Gary Mason
PUBLISHED JULY 22, 2021

The Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages has announced it is investigating the process for nominating governors-general in Canada. This comes, we are told, after the office received “hundreds of complaints” from people upset that the latest nominee, Mary Simon, is not fluent in French.

That there would be some, especially in Quebec, who resented the fact Ms. Simon, an Inuk and the first Indigenous person to be nominated for the position, did not speak one of Canada’s two official languages was a given. The fact we are now going to dignify their grievance with a formal investigation is insulting.

Ms. Simon is the governor-general this country needs right now. Full stop.

It’s unfortunate it took a crisis for the federal government to finally appoint someone to Rideau Hall that represented Indigenous peoples in this country....

...Ms. Simon represents hope – hope that perhaps meaningful reconciliation is indeed possible one day. While the job she will be taking is mostly a symbolic one, her nomination is important. Since its inception, the governor-general’s position has been filled mostly with white elites.

Critics say that by appointing someone who does not speak French, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is establishing a precedent. Perhaps. Or maybe all he’s done is establish an exception to the rule.

Maybe if you speak Inuktitut, as Ms. Simon does, that should count for something. Maybe if you speak one of the country’s first languages, you should not have to learn two others – French and English – to qualify for such federal appointments. Maybe nothing should actually top being fluent in an Indigenous language.

Which is why I find an investigation into the nomination process used to select Ms. Simon so distasteful – so colonialist. That the anger toward her nomination comes mostly from Quebec is both surprising and not surprising.

I mean, francophones in Quebec know what being part of a linguistic minority feels like. Meanwhile, there are 11 Indigenous nations in the province and nine languages still active among those groups. I don’t see anyone in the provincial legislature fighting for their survival.

In fact, Quebec’s Bill 96, which toughens old language laws, is seen as another assault on Anglo institutions in the province. But by all means, let’s investigate the nomination of a distinguished Quebecker, someone who was made an Officer of l’Ordre national du Quebec – the highest distinction awarded by the government.

And let’s not forget that Ms. Simon, by being educated in a federal day school in Nunavik, was denied the opportunity to learn French....


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...ns-nomination-for-governor-general-is-a/
Says Gary Mason in the beautiful words of the most colonialist language the world has ever seen, the only one I am 99.9% sure he has only spoken his entire life, the one that has replaced the native language of two thirds to three quarters of our Indigenous population, and the one that more than a few Canadians are perfectly happy to see dominate all others in this country.

It's a good thing getting hit by irony isn't fatal, because a helluva lotta people would be dead.

But of course you'd think he is "spot on".
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