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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 1:52 PM
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Denver wants to hire a top designer to focus on the city’s urban design and architecture
The city wants to hire a City Urban Designer to make sure the city stays pretty.


https://denverite.com/2021/07/20/denver-city-urban-designer-architecture/
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 2:19 PM
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Okay so I just read this article:

The Golden Triangle blocks south of Civic Center Park are looking to get a lot taller

Turns out the “cranky old man” who chimed in at the hearing was a developer. I should have recognized the name Zeppelin. I still don’t quite understand his complaint. What does he want the buildings that abut Civic Center to look like exactly? How does he expect zoning to address this?
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 2:36 PM
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Denver wants to hire a top designer to focus on the city’s urban design and architecture
The city wants to hire a City Urban Designer to make sure the city stays pretty.


https://denverite.com/2021/07/20/denver-city-urban-designer-architecture/
Ah yes, pretty buildings are totally the most important thing that needs to be addressed right now. Not rampant homelessness. Not skyrocketing home prices. Not the inability to address either of those without serious reform. No, let's all just focus on creating new historic districts to preserve Sears catalog homes and create design overlays because some Karen doesn't like the color of your door.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 2:36 PM
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Latest regarding 1900 Lawrence From the Denver Business Journal:

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Chicago-based Riverside Investment and Development Company is moving forward on plans for a 30-story speculative office tower at the corner of 19th and Lawrence streets in downtown Denver, targeting a groundbreaking date in the first quarter of 2022, the firm's chief operating officer, Tony Scacco, told Denver Business Journal.

The project, dubbed 1900 Lawrence, is slated to replace a 1.26-acre parking lot at the eastern corner of the intersection. The latest plans call for roughly 700,000 square feet of office space and approximately 18,000 square feet of ground-floor retail space.

Riverside has selected Convexity Properties, the real estate arm of Chicago-based trading firm DRW, as an equity partner on the project, Scacco said. The two firms are already partners on 320 South Canal, a 50-story, 1.5 million-square-foot office tower that's under construction next to Union Station in Chicago.

Roughly a year and a half after first proposing 1900 Lawrence, Riverside is ramping up its planning efforts. On Tuesday, the company submitted a formal site development plan to the City, the next step in gaining approval for the project.

And in August, the firm expects to have its new Denver office up and running, Scacco said. Riverside's Denver operations will be led by Chris Payne, a vice president at the firm who previously served as project manager for the company's 55-story office development at 110 N. Wacker Drive in Chicago, otherwise known as the Bank of America Tower.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 2:53 PM
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Does Riverside own the land at 19th and Lawrence or does he-who-shall-not-be-named still have his claws on it?
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 2:55 PM
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What I've heard about this is that it's mostly a complete disaster and fails to address anything important. It actually encourages more parking, somehow, and approaches development with far more sticks than carrots, likely driving a flurry of development approvals before the rules change, followed by development dropping off a cliff afterwards.

However, this was as of a few months ago and I haven't been following close enough to see if they've revised anything.
The main differences, unless they went and secretly changed it (wouldn't put it past the City to do that) is that parking now counts toward FAR when it didn't before and there are height incentives for things like affordable housing and point towers. The FARs changed quite a bit as well. The main drawback is how the FAR still effectively limits height, which in turn disincentives point towers and further encourages land barges. PLENTY of feedback was given concerning this limiting factor, but it seems it fell on deaf (or stupid) ears. It's a fairly big miss IMO from a zoning analysis standpoint.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 3:00 PM
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...However, when it comes to retail, there’s a stick that might prove effective: On certain streets, development must now engage with the pedestrian environment in one of a few ways: active use (which I’m guessing basically means retail?), open space accessible to the public, and public art...
This requirement for activated ground floor uses has failed many times and will again. As a city, we're already far overprescribed with retail. The GT plan does a better job of limiting where these activated uses are required, but again it is likely to fail because we just simply don't need more retail until we achieve significantly more density. Some, yes but artificially creating these retail corridor hasn't ever really worked, like anywhere...the growth will go where it goes and the retail will follow it accordingly - and yes, on a block by block basis.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 4:33 PM
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Even at extreme densities, retail wants to concentrate. Manhattan has quiet residential side streets. Any new development with retail generally adds way more than it merits on its own. Busy retail areas are defined by drawing people from large areas.

I blogged about this recently...https://www.matthaysconsultant.com/post/too-much-retail-space
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 4:33 PM
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Does Riverside own the land at 19th and Lawrence or does he-who-shall-not-be-named still have his claws on it?
Buzz still owns it. Riverside is under contract on it.

We might have to relabel Buzz in the next few years if he keeps offloading properties. Half of his parcels have been sold off since 2015 or so.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 4:36 PM
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Does Riverside own the land at 19th and Lawrence or does he-who-shall-not-be-named still have his claws on it?
https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/...nce-downtown-denver-office-building.html

Looks like they are moving ahead with the office tower and expect to break ground at the beginning of 2022

Curious how this will impact the plans for the Greyhound site
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 4:51 PM
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Yeah a 30-story spec office building post-pandemic seems like it might dampen momentum of other office projects that don't have large anchor tenants.

I wonder what is more likely between 19th and Lawrence and Amacon. I'm hesitant to believe in either until shovel hits ground but isn't Amacon planning to break ground in August?
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 5:11 PM
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Yeah a 30-story spec office building post-pandemic seems like it might dampen momentum of other office projects that don't have large anchor tenants.

I wonder what is more likely between 19th and Lawrence and Amacon. I'm hesitant to believe in either until shovel hits ground but isn't Amacon planning to break ground in August?
Looks like permitting activity for Amacon is still robust. A flurry of permit applications were submitted in late June so an August ground-breaking isn't unrealistic.

Riverside hasn't submitted any construction related permits for 1900 Lawrence, but there's plenty of time to still do so and meet a Q1 2022 groundbreaking. I'm optimistic on projects like 1900 Lawrence as I think a large reshuffling of office space in the CBD is coming with an emptying out of older towers that will be repurposed for residential similar to 1600 Glenarm.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 5:40 PM
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Ah yes, pretty buildings are totally the most important thing that needs to be addressed right now. Not rampant homelessness. Not skyrocketing home prices. Not the inability to address either of those without serious reform. No, let's all just focus on creating new historic districts to preserve Sears catalog homes and create design overlays because some Karen doesn't like the color of your door.
No, they should be hiring someone to streamline permitting and revamp the zoning code. Those efforts would take a decade of community "engagement" anyway. I guess we'll see what this turns into, but I'm skeptical this is going to make anything better.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 5:51 PM
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In my area the biggest effect seems to be making sure new buildings don't look like old ones. Cause that would be "derivative" and just horrible apparently.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 6:03 PM
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Even at extreme densities, retail wants to concentrate. Manhattan has quiet residential side streets. Any new development with retail generally adds way more than it merits on its own. Busy retail areas are defined by drawing people from large areas.

I blogged about this recently...https://www.matthaysconsultant.com/post/too-much-retail-space
This is an interesting point - thanks!

You mention in your blog post that "active ground floor uses" don't necessarily need to be retail. From my observation, it seems like this is often exactly what we get in Denver - new apartment buildings that have leasing offices or fitness studio/community room spaces with big transparent windows along the sidewalk. I feel like this is a reasonably good use of this space and is architecturally flexible enough that these spaces could later be repurposed as either sidewalk-facing office space or retail if demand in the neighborhood changes (just as long as the main entrance to the residential units isn't THROUGH the leasing office). I haven't reviewed the new GT requirements yet - are they trying to change this definition of "active use" to require retail?

And isn't there a difference between a retail "district" that draws from a large area, like a restaurant district or shopping district (that internet shopping can take demand away from), vs. neighborhood-scale retail? It seems like a problem in Denver is that empty storefronts concentrate in some areas, while neighborhoods largely zoned "TU" or "MU" often lack basic retail options like corner markets, barber shops, etc. that are essential to making it possible to run basic errands on foot. Often the only retail in these areas are existing nodes that predate modern zoning and house maybe a single bar, restaurant, or a liquor store, and leave nowhere else where other neighborhood-scale retail can go.
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Looks like permitting activity for Amacon is still robust. A flurry of permit applications were submitted in late June so an August ground-breaking isn't unrealistic.

Riverside hasn't submitted any construction related permits for 1900 Lawrence, but there's plenty of time to still do so and meet a Q1 2022 groundbreaking. I'm optimistic on projects like 1900 Lawrence as I think a large reshuffling of office space in the CBD is coming with an emptying out of older towers that will be repurposed for residential similar to 1600 Glenarm.
Amacon site has new fencing around the site as of today.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 6:43 PM
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This is an interesting point - thanks!

You mention in your blog post that "active ground floor uses" don't necessarily need to be retail. From my observation, it seems like this is often exactly what we get in Denver - new apartment buildings that have leasing offices or fitness studio/community room spaces with big transparent windows along the sidewalk. I feel like this is a reasonably good use of this space and is architecturally flexible enough that these spaces could later be repurposed as either sidewalk-facing office space or retail if demand in the neighborhood changes (just as long as the main entrance to the residential units isn't THROUGH the leasing office). I haven't reviewed the new GT requirements yet - are they trying to change this definition of "active use" to require retail?

And isn't there a difference between a retail "district" that draws from a large area, like a restaurant district or shopping district (that internet shopping can take demand away from), vs. neighborhood-scale retail? It seems like a problem in Denver is that empty storefronts concentrate in some areas, while neighborhoods largely zoned "TU" or "MU" often lack basic retail options like corner markets, barber shops, etc. that are essential to making it possible to run basic errands on foot. Often the only retail in these areas are existing nodes that predate modern zoning and house maybe a single bar, restaurant, or a liquor store, and leave nowhere else where other neighborhood-scale retail can go.
It sounds like Denver does this better than Seattle in some ways. Multifamily buildings usually need "active" fronts rather than "transparent" ones, or they're in areas with deeper setbacks. At least yours won't have empty storefronts and higher residential rents.

Those ground-level conversions can be tough. Are they at true street level for a new ADA entry? Is there room for a bathroom without using the residential hallway? I suspect that these issues plus use by upstairs tenants will keep them in fitness use etc, unless originally built as retail. They're also probably permitted as residential amenities rather than commercial, with a bunch of different land use and building code rules.

Agreed on the types of retail needs. What I'd like to avoid is too many places trying to be destination retail...like every avenue in my neighborhood (north part of Belltown). That results in a scattering of stores with no place being really good.

My Capitol Hill example (ours, not yours) is a few core retail streets but then occasional street corners with corner groceries, coffee, and maybe a restaurant in other places. It works well.
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Amacon site has new fencing around the site as of today.
Cool! Looks like they just got a bunch of their permits approved. Time to break ground!
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 7:17 PM
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Those ground-level conversions can be tough. Are they at true street level for a new ADA entry? Is there room for a bathroom without using the residential hallway? I suspect that these issues plus use by upstairs tenants will keep them in fitness use etc, unless originally built as retail. They're also probably permitted as residential amenities rather than commercial, with a bunch of different land use and building code rules.
These are good questions that I can't fully answer since I haven't actually gone inside many of them. I suppose I'm thinking about the REALLY long game when I talk about future conversions - like 30-50 years or more when these buildings start to become truly dated (and maybe that fitness room isn't as big of a selling point anymore, or leasing can be done through an agency rather than an on-site sales office). It seems that, if we can do adaptive reuse on 100-year-old buildings today to bring them up-to-code, then it is theoretically possible to do the same to these buildings in the future. Even if that means framing in new bathrooms and such. Luckily these spaces often ARE at, or very near, true street level. Examples:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7204805,...pwoi3L90cHnI2PMTIh-iw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7245384,...7TGZwDwodLNrZGEp5krXw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7361889,...GUdCc2qfoYQwqRFQ8QFDw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7379406,...kat09UnPa4Op1Ga0tkW_A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

If form-based-code is really meant to focus on forms rather than uses, then I guess I would like to see retail allowed in more areas and not necessarily mandated. Then let the market decide. It would be great if either adaptive reuse or new, small-scale retail structures (with NO parking requirements) could accommodate more neighborhood-scale services in dense residential neighborhoods if there is a demand for it.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2021, 7:30 PM
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Flat sites seem to make that ADA thing easy!

Looks like we both have a lot of townhouse-style units at the bottoms of buildings. Ours would mostly be "live/work," i.e. the same thing but with the theoretical goal of shops and accountants. They tend to go cheaply because some of these streets aren't friendly or quiet enough for townhouses and few people want to put shops there.
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