What is Nashville's claim to fame other than country music?

[38 Geary]

Out West, I think most people know that Green Bay is in Wisconsin, largely due to the Packers. Where in Wisconsin is another story.

Less people probably know that Notre Dame is in South Bend, and even less people know that South Bend is in Indiana.

Even less people know that Rutgers is in New Jersey, and even less people than that know that Rutgers is in New Brunswick.

But this might be a poor example, since most Californians are generally unaware of the existence of anything east of the Sierras.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by jkc2j

regarding skyline chili, have you ever thought it's not popular nationwide because it just doesn't taste good?

It's just marketing, or in this instance, the lack thereof. Almost nothing enters the national consciousness without the push of a marketing campaign. It was much more obvious when TV and movies dominated the mass media. Now, social media campaigns try to make things look spontaneous that are anything but. "Nashville" hot chicken didn't go viral on its own merits; the same shadowy people who turned Nashville into a bachelorette party destination plugged a menu item from one restaurant in one corner of the city as some sort of shared citywide food. The derision often directed at Cincinnati Chili comes from people who are jealous that their hometown doesn't have a similar authentic shared cultural feature.

I quote David Hickey:

"And you can thank the wanking eighties, if you wish, and digital sequencers, too, for proving to everyone that technologically "perfect" rock--like "free" jazz--sucks rockets. Because order sucks. I mean, look at the Stones. Keith Richards is always on top of the beat, and Bill Wyman, until he quit, was always behind it, because Richards is leading the band and Charlie Watts is listening to him and Wyman is listening to Watts. So the beat is sliding on those tiny neural lapses, not so you can tell, of course, but so you can feel it in your stomach. And the intonation is wavering, too, with the pulse in the finger on the amplified string. This is the delicacy of rock-and-roll, the bodily rhetoric of tiny increments, necessary imperfections, and contingent community. And it has its virtues, because jazz only works if we're trying to be free and are, in fact, together. Rock-and-roll works because we're all a bunch of flakes. That's something you can depend on, and a good thing too, because in the twentieth century, that's all there is: jazz and rock-and-roll. The rest is term papers and advertising.”

[jkc2j]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

It's just marketing, or in this instance, the lack thereof. Almost nothing enters the national consciousness without the push of a marketing campaign. It was much more obvious when TV and movies dominated the mass media. Now, social media campaigns try to make things look spontaneous that are anything but. "Nashville" hot chicken didn't go viral on its own merits; the same shadowy people who turned Nashville into a bachelorette party destination plugged a menu item from one restaurant in one corner of the city as some sort of shared citywide food. The derision often directed at Cincinnati Chili comes from people who are jealous that their hometown doesn't have a similar authentic shared cultural feature.

I quote David Hickey:

"And you can thank the wanking eighties, if you wish, and digital sequencers, too, for proving to everyone that technologically "perfect" rock--like "free" jazz--sucks rockets. Because order sucks. I mean, look at the Stones. Keith Richards is always on top of the beat, and Bill Wyman, until he quit, was always behind it, because Richards is leading the band and Charlie Watts is listening to him and Wyman is listening to Watts. So the beat is sliding on those tiny neural lapses, not so you can tell, of course, but so you can feel it in your stomach. And the intonation is wavering, too, with the pulse in the finger on the amplified string. This is the delicacy of rock-and-roll, the bodily rhetoric of tiny increments, necessary imperfections, and contingent community. And it has its virtues, because jazz only works if we're trying to be free and are, in fact, together. Rock-and-roll works because we're all a bunch of flakes. That's something you can depend on, and a good thing too, because in the twentieth century, that's all there is: jazz and rock-and-roll. The rest is term papers and advertising.”

Righhtt.... it's all advertising.. lol. All the advertising in the world wouldn't persuade someone to eat some thing if it didn't taste good. If anything, it sounds like you're actually the one jealous since it's hot chicken that's popular nationwide and it seems to have happened overnight, which says a lot about skyline chili since it's been around so long, yet here you are complaining that it's not popular due to advertising lol.

[Steely Dan]

I like both hot chicken and cincy chili!



source: https://gifer.com/en/K2Kr


i've got a great hot chicken restaurant down the street from me, but sadly, the only place i knew of to get a good bowl of cincy chili in chicago (Cinner's chili parlor) closed years ago.

i get by on the canned stuff from the grocery store, but i'm jonesing to get back down to cincy for the real deal at camp washington!

[JManc]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I am not American but I am a geography buff and a gridiron football fan.

I definitely know that Green Bay is in Wisconsin and have since I was a kid. I also know off hand that Notre Dame is in South Bend, Indiana.

I know that Stanford is somewhere in the San Francisco area.

Berkeley I mix up - is in the LA or SF area?

I know that Rutgers is in New Jersey but have no idea what city it is in.

SF; right across the Bay Bridge next door to Oakland. For the longest time, I thought it was off by itself on the coast.

[craigs]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

well of course you would know where Rutgers is located, growing up in NYC only 30 miles away from it.

out here in the midwest, i can see the average person being more familiar with Marquette's location than Rutgers', at least prior to joining the Big 10 back in 2014 when general awareness of Rutgers increased considerably in the midwest.

ditto for Gonzaga out in the PNW.

so outside of the diehard NCAA fans who could tell you the home town of every single significant football and basketball program in the country, most of this is just simple geographic proximity.

everyone in Chicago knows that Notre Dame is located in South Bend, but how many people in Cali would know that? my guess is that almost no one would, outside of big NCAA sports fans.

Agreed that, in addition to sports fanaticism, regionalism often informs Americans' geographic knowledge.

If I had to guess, I'd say most Californians have heard of Notre Dame, but I doubt most would know where Notre Dame is located beyond something ridiculously vague like 'the Midwest.'

As for Rutgers, despite being a decent school ranked the #63 national university and #23 among public universities, it has no brand image in California. I doubt most here have even heard of it, let alone know where it is located generally or specifically. Changing the name to the University of New Jersey would probably help expand the brand a bit, but I doubt that's a practicable option for various reasons.

Green Bay is probably known to most Californians because of the Packers, and I'd guess a sizeable minority would know it is in Wisconsin or, at the very least, the upper Midwest. The whole 'cheesehead' thing is unique, and while I don't follow that team, I've seen more than one broadcast in which the commentators and camera crew kept highlighting how cold and snowy it was at Lambeau Field.

[38 Geary]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I know that Stanford is somewhere in the San Francisco area.

Berkeley I mix up - is in the LA or SF area?

Originally Posted by JManc

SF; right across the Bay Bridge next door to Oakland. For the longest time, I thought it was off by itself on the coast.

Berkeley is also much more connected to SF than Palo Alto (Stanford) is. It's only a 23 min BART ride away from Embarcadero to Downtown Berkeley vs 53 min by Caltrain to Palo Alto. Although they have their own employment opportunities, Oakland/Berkeley basically function as a neighborhood of SF. Many SF residents moved there after the 1906 earthquake. If SF is an uber scaled down version of Manhattan, then Oakland/Berkeley is like Brooklyn, whereas Palo Alto functions more as a suburb of SF.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Berkeley is also much more connected to SF than Palo Alto (Stanford) is. It's only a 23 min BART ride away from Embarcadero to Downtown Berkeley vs 53 min by Caltrain to Palo Alto. Although they have their own employment opportunities, Oakland/Berkeley basically function as a neighborhood of SF. Many SF residents moved there after the 1906 earthquake. If SF is an uber scaled down version of Manhattan, then Oakland/Berkeley is like Brooklyn, whereas Palo Alto functions more as a suburb of SF.

I would have put Stanford in a Bay Area city called Stanford, Calif.

Though now that you mention Palo Alto, I've heard of it.

[Crawford]

I think Stanford technically is in Stanford, CA? Or at least that's a mailing address?

I'm pretty sure I've sent/received correspondence to a university department with a "Stanford, CA" address. Though there's no such municipality, it's presumably Palo Alto.

[38 Geary]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I think Stanford technically is in Stanford, CA? Or at least that's a mailing address?

I'm pretty sure I've sent/received correspondence to a university department with a "Stanford, CA" address. Though there's no such municipality, it's presumably Palo Alto.

Yep that's right. Stanford is a census designated place, whatever that means, but according to its own website, it is in Palo Alto. Although if you click on Google Maps for the city boundaries of Palo Alto, it doesn't include the Stanford campus.

Although the University is virtually a community unto itself and even has its own zip code—94305—it calls the City of Palo Alto home.

https://visit.stanford.edu/basics/

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Yep that's right. Stanford is a census designated place, whatever that means, but according to its own website, it is in Palo Alto. Although if you click on Google Maps for the city boundaries of Palo Alto, it doesn't include the Stanford campus.

Is there a separate stop on Caltrain for Stanford, or does it use Palo Alto's?

[38 Geary]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Is there a separate stop on Caltrain for Stanford, or does it use Palo Alto's?

There's two stops adjacent to campus, but none actually on campus. One called Palo Alto which is also next to downtown and an outdoor mall, and one actually called Stanford, which is closer to the athletics fields (5-10 min walk).

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by homebucket

yep that's right. Stanford is a census designated place, whatever that means, but according to its own website, it is in palo alto. Although if you click on google maps for the city boundaries of palo alto, it doesn't include the stanford campus.

https://visit.stanford.edu/basics/

A census-designated place (CDP) is an unincorporated area (no municipal government) that the US Census Bureau treats as if it is an incorporated municipality, for statistical purposes (population numbers, demographics, etc.). In California anyway, all census-designated places are unincorporated areas, but not all unincorporated areas are census-designated places.

My guess is that Stanford U. markets itself as being in "Palo Alto," but technically it's in the unincorporated community/CDP of Stanford, which probably has its own ZIP codes, which may or may not officially be called "Stanford" or "Palo Alto" by the USPS. To add another layer of jurisdictional confusion (because I like to do such things), Stanford University, like many colleges in California (even community colleges), probably has its own police department, which I would presume has jurisdiction throughout the CDP of Stanford, but in California, law enforcement for unincorporated communities is provided by their respective county sheriff's departments... so for me, in Las Vegas, NV, I found it interesting that the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department actually provides law enforcement for both the city of Las Vegas and all of Clark County... but the head of said Police Department is called the Sheriff, NOT the Police Chief.

Useless trivia, I'm sure.

[Steely Dan]

^ sounds simila to Notre Dame, which is located directly adjacent to South Bend's municipal limits, but the bulk of the campus itself is in "Notre Dame, IN", an unincorporated census-designated place.

perhaps other universities have such arrangements to help alleviate town and gown disagreements that often crop up?

i know that Northwestern's main campus lies entirely within Evanston's municipal limits, and that there has been much head-butting between the two entities over the decades.

[lio45]

There are ads for this Spicy Nashville Chicken Sandwich these days around here. (A&W is a decent fast-food chain and my first choice whenever needing fast food on the road.)

[Steely Dan]

^ yeah, that looks like how a chain would do it.

but that chicken doesn't look very "nashville".

here's more of what i'm accustomed to:


source: yelp

[LAsam]

^That looks about right. I went to Party Fowl in Nashville and they had something like 5 levels of heat. I got the second level and it was suuuuper spicy... and I have a pretty good tolerance to heat! I'd imagine most people's spice tolerance isn't all that high, so chains would need to tone it down a lot.

[BnaBreaker]

This is about what I'm used to:



The "Nashville hot chicken sandwich" with the slaw and special sauce on a potato roll is more a recent adaptation, I think, to kind of, 'shine it up' for a wider audience. Then again, if you ask jmecklenborg, hot chicken as a dish didn't exist before a couple years ago either because, ya know, he personally had never had it, and neither had his "two non-white friends." Nevermind the fact that I've been eating it since the late 80's with my family, and we ate it because my dad ate it as a kid with his family before that.

[craigs]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ yeah, that looks like how a chain would do it.

but that chicken doesn't look very "nashville".

here's more of what i'm accustomed to:


source: yelp

That looks amazing.

Is Popeye's spicy fried chicken sandwich anything like Nashville style hot chicken?

[jkc2j]

Originally Posted by craigs

That looks amazing.

Is Popeye's spicy fried chicken sandwich anything like Nashville style hot chicken?

Not even in the same stratosphere. Trust. You'll know when you've had hot chicken as it's not like any other.