What is Nashville's claim to fame other than country music?

[iheartthed]

Where did the name Rutgers even come from? It's weird that the flagship public university of a state does not actually use the state's name.

[jkc2j]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

I moved out in 2001. What you're linking to above was a very small local food fest, something like Goettafest in Cincinnati: http://www.goettafest.com/. The hot chicken hype machine would have you believe that all Nashvillians from Dickson to Mt. Juliet were eating a local hot chicken all of the time, for decades, when 90% had never heard of it, let alone eaten it.

As someone who grew up in Cincinnati, I can attest that our grade school and high school cafeterias served 3-ways once per week and also periodically cooked goetta. Nashville area school cafeterias weren't serving "Nashville Hot Chicken" to grade schoolers and high schoolers because it wasn't a "Nashville" food in the way that Cincinnati-style chili and goetta most certainly are commonly - weekly - eaten by all locals regardless of class or creed. There are no tourists. Nobody's taking photos of their food.

Skyline Chili has 150 locations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyline_Chili
Gold Star has 85: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Star_Chili

Those are the two biggest chains but there are several smaller chains and independent chili parlors.

Per Google, there are 2 Prince's chicken locations. Hattie B's, which was founded in 2012, has 7. So 250+ locations for one type of regional food that only exists in one region versus...10.

Ah.. now that you've been proven wrong, you want to try and move the goal post. It went from being a dish "invented" in 2017 to, "well, not all Nashvillians knew about it". It's been mentioned quite a few times on this tread that hot chicken was not mainstream until fairly recent, circa 2005 with the advent of the hot chicken festival, the dish was highlighted at a time when a lot white locals hadn't heard of it. As Nashville has grown, more people began to be exposed to the dish, hence you get the phenomenon of it spreading across the country. Also, not sure where you're searching in Google but there's a heck of a lot more than two hot chicken places. First post shows best local hot chicken places, second shows best outside of Nashville.

https://nashville.eater.com/maps/best-hot-chicken-nashville

https://www.foodnetwork.com/restaurants/photos/best-hot-chicken-outside-nashville

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Crawford

but no one called the deep-dish pan pizza "Detroit-style pizza" until a few years ago.

that's not exactly true.

at the national level, "Detroit style Pizza" has really only become a thing over the past decade or so,

but i remember eating at a pizzeria up on Mackinac Island 30+ years ago that served up what they called "Detroit style pizza", baked in rectangular pans with the charred cheese crust edge just like Buddy's and the others.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Similarly, "Detroit-style pizza" is basically marketing. There's been a Buddy's Pizza (and a few competitors) for generations, but no one called the deep-dish pan pizza "Detroit-style pizza" until a few years ago. It was just Buddy's Pizza or pan pizza.

It makes sense to market it as "Detroit-style" since there wasn't really any awareness of that style outside of Detroit until a few years ago. I believe Emily's in Brooklyn was the first to export it.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

that's not exactly true.

i remember eating at a pizzeria up on mackinac island 30+ years ago that served up what they called "Detroit style pizza".

Well I grew up in Metro Detroit, and if someone asked me about "Detroit-style pizza" in my younger years, I would think they're talking about Little Caesars or Dominos (as they're both HQ in the area).

I ate at Buddy's all the time as a kid and we never called it "Detroit-style." It was just a (well-regarded) local chain.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

that's not exactly true.

at the national level, "Detroit style Pizza" has really only become a thing over the past decade or so,

but i remember eating at a pizzeria up on mackinac island 30+ years ago that served up what they called "Detroit style pizza", baked in the square pans with the charred cheese crust edge.

That's interesting. I didn't think they would call it Detroit-style up there, but it makes sense.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

That's interesting. I didn't think they would call it Detroit-style up there, but it makes sense.

given the VAST amount of metro detroiters who vacation up to the island every summer, it was probably a clever marketing trick to give the audience a taste of home (and if memory serves, the owners also played up their Detroit heritage).

copyright law would have prevented them from using "Buddy's style pizza", so they probably just went with a phrase that they knew the hometown crowd would still know and understand.

[bossabreezes]

Somewhat off topic but Rutgers is the equivalent of a Public Ivy League University. The only reason it's not listed officially is because it's public. It's probably one of the most superior public universities in the country, if not the actual best. Also, it's old af, so there's that.

For a state with no major city, NJ packs a higher than average punch in regards to quality higher education. It's kind of the East Coast California, if you will.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

given the VAST amount of metro detroiters who vacation up to the island every summer, it was probably a clever marketing trick to give the audience a taste of home.

copyright law would have prevented them from using "Buddy's style pizza", so they probably just went with a phrase that they knew the hometown crowd would still know and understand.

Even in the Detroit area there are a few different places that made "Detroit-style" pizza well before it went mainstream. Most would've called it something like square pan pizza before "Detroit-style" became the term. But if someone said "Buddy's style" I would have understood that to mean the "Detroit-style" pizza.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by bossabreezes

Somewhat off topic but Rutgers is the equivalent of a Public Ivy League University. The only reason it's not listed officially is because it's public. It's probably one of the most superior public universities in the country, if not the actual best. Also, it's old af, so there's that.

For a state with no major city, NJ packs a higher than average punch in regards to quality higher education. It's kind of the East Coast California, if you will.

Nah, Rutgers is a tier below the best public universities like Berkeley, Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina.

[Investing In Chicago]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

well of course you would know where Rutgers is located, growing up in NYC only 30 miles away from it.

out here in the midwest, i can see the average person being more familiar with Marquette's location than Rutgers', at least prior to joining the Big 10 back in 2014 when general awareness of Rutgers increased considerably in the midwest.

ditto for Gonzaga out in the PNW.

so outside of the diehard NCAA fans who could tell you the home town of every single significant football and basketball program in the country, most of this is just simple geographic proximity.

everyone in Chicago knows that Notre Dame is located in South Bend, but how many people in Cali would know that? my guess is that almost no one would, outside of big NCAA sports fans.

Perhaps I have too high expectations of the average American, but Notre Dame being located in South Bend and Rutgers being the state university of New Jersey seem to be pretty common knowledge, at least on the same level as MIT being located in Boston and Stanford being located in teh Bay Area

[Steely Dan]

^ my opinion only, but i think Stanford and MIT (two of the absolute strongest academic brands in the nation) have more brand recognition associated with their locations than Notre Dame and Rutgers.

i think your regional lens is clouding you a bit. Rutgers does not have particularly strong brand awareness outside of the east coast.

Notre Dame might have a stronger overall brand due to its football legacy stuff, and the whole "catholic" thing, but still, how many people outside of the midwest could tell you that it's located in South Bend, IN?

my guess is not too many (in general, americans are fucking horrible at geography). you might get a few "indiana" responses, but that's about as close as the average person outside of the region is likely to get.

[iheartthed]

Rutgers is a regional school. It doesn't pull many students from outside of the NJ/NY area. I would expect that way more people are aware of Notre Dame's location, since it pulls students from all over the country. And then obviously Stanford and MIT attracts students from all over the globe.

[dchan]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Nah, Rutgers is a tier below the best public universities like Berkeley, Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina.

Yeah, it's definitely more of a high 2nd tier public university. I went to a very competitive HS about 18-19 years ago. My grades weren't very good (high 80s; the median grade was around 93-94) and was advised by college counselors to list it as one of my choice or safety schools (I never applied). I think they advised me that Michigan might be a reach school for me (I got accepted), and Berkeley and UNC would definitely be reach schools.

[Crawford]

Rutgers isn't a regional school, at least as typically defined, having a purely local draw. It has a large international population, especially in its graduate programs. Yeah, most people come from nearby, but the same is true of the UCs, Michigan and other strong institutions. But I wouldn't call Michigan regional just bc half the undergrads are from Michigan. At the UC's it's more like 75-80%, BTW.

Even the Ivies are (or were) regional, as they served as finishing schools for Northeast WASP elites, for the most part, until relatively recently. Even nowadays, nearly half of Harvard students are from the Bos-Wash corridor. But they weren't ever regional in the same sense that Eastern Michigan or Central Connecticut State are regional.

But I agree that Stanford and MIT will have greater recognition, given they're probably among the top five or six institutions on the planet. And Notre Dame is traditionally the biggest name in college football, so likely greater recognition.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Rutgers isn't a regional school, at least as typically defined, having a purely local draw. It has a large international population, especially in its graduate programs. Yeah, most people come from nearby, but the same is true of the UCs, Michigan and other strong institutions. But I wouldn't call Michigan regional just bc half the undergrads are from Michigan. At the UC's it's more like 75-80%, BTW.

Even the Ivies are (or were) regional, as they served as finishing schools for Northeast WASP elites, for the most part, until relatively recently. Even nowadays, around 40% of Harvard students are from the NE corridor. But they weren't ever regional in the same sense that Eastern Michigan or Central Connecticut State are regional.

But I agree that Stanford and MIT will have greater recognition, given they're probably among the top five or six institutions on the planet. And Notre Dame is traditionally the biggest name in college football, so likely greater recognition.

Rutgers' student body is overwhelmingly made up of New Jersey residents. They may have a high percentage of foreign-born students, but that's due to NJ having a high percentage of foreign-born residents. Less than 20% of the student body is from out-of-state. And I'm certain that a huge chunk of the out-of-state is made up of New Yorkers.

OTOH, Michigan likely has the lowest percentage of in-state students of any public school in the entire country. The school's entire business model is geared on attracting out of state tuition dollars.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by jkc2j

Ah.. now that you've been proven wrong, you want to try and move the goal post. It went from being a dish "invented" in 2017 to, "well, not all Nashvillians knew about it".

No. 90% didn't know about it. And I just texted two not-white Nashville natives I know and neither of them had heard of it until "2017".

Your links are all to come-lately (like, post-2015) yuppie places. Nashville's PR machine wants to portray hot chicken as a deeply-embedded part of local culture when is quite plainly is not. Refer again my Cincinnati chili parlor count - in excess of 250 locations + it's served in grade school and high school cafeterias. That's why it's the king of all unrecognized local American foods - it's ubiquitous across class and ethnicity within an hour's drive of Cincinnati but almost completely unknown outside of it.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by Investing In Chicago

Perhaps I have too high expectations of the average American, but Notre Dame being located in South Bend and Rutgers being the state university of New Jersey seem to be pretty common knowledge, at least on the same level as MIT being located in Boston and Stanford being located in teh Bay Area

I grew up in a Catholic neighborhood where the interior of people's homes were shrines to Notre Dame. Like, stuff that's usually reserved for the basement or garage was in the kitchen and living room. So jerseys, helmets, signed footballs, plaques, etc.

I was out on the playground one day and got in a dispute with a kid wearing a Notre Dame jacket. I told him he didn't even know where Notre Dame was. He said it was in California. I said no it's in Indiana, you dumbass. He then came back and wanted to trade a few before somebody laughed at him for thinking Notre Dame is in California.

I mean, we had people back then paying $100 in 1980s money for a Notre Dame jacket who didn't know the first thing about the place - like where it's located. Those same people fall for tricks like "Nashville" hot chicken.

[mhays]

Remember, a lot of people don't know where the Baltimore Orioles are located. Almost literally. People are morons. Or maybe their brains are full of player stats or fashion trends rather than geography. Sometimes I make a connection, finally, that I should've made decades ago.

PS, I tried to think of a team to use and chose not to use some because they've moved recently, share a name with another team, have a confusing location name...
Toronto Blue Jays
LA Rams
LA Chargers
LV Raiders
KC Chiefs
Arizona or STL Cardinals
Brooklyn Nets
NY Jets
NY Giants

Not to mention many teams located in their namesake city's suburbs (i.e. the city's name is used for the whole area).

[jkc2j]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

No. 90% didn't know about it. And I just texted two not-white Nashville natives I know and neither of them had heard of it until "2017".

Your links are all to come-lately (like, post-2015) yuppie places. Nashville's PR machine wants to portray hot chicken as a deeply-embedded part of local culture when is quite plainly is not. Refer again my Cincinnati chili parlor count - in excess of 250 locations + it's served in grade school and high school cafeterias. That's why it's the king of all unrecognized local American foods - it's ubiquitous across class and ethnicity within an hour's drive of Cincinnati but almost completely unknown outside of it.

Repeating the same statements again yet, still not refuting my post. You texting two of your "non-white" friends (notice you didn't say if they were Black or Nashville natives) if they've heard of hot chicken until 2017 or not is very anecdotal, mind you there's no way for anyone on this thread to validate your statement, as we can only take your word on it, and we know that's not trustworthy cause you've backtracked on your initial statement after being proven wrong. It's funny how your story keeps changing. First, it was hot chicken wasn't "invented till 2017", then "Majority Nashvillians hadn't heard of it until 2017" now it's "well my two-non white friends hadn't heard of it till 2017" If you're going to make false statements at least pick one and stick with it lol.

Also, regarding skyline chili, have you ever thought it's not popular nationwide because it just doesn't taste good? No, of course that thought never crossed your mind. Who doesn't want extremely watered down chili with hardly any flavor? According to you, there should be a skyline chili stand across every corner in America. Since you keep bringing it up, and since skyline chili has been around so long and all these spots exist (none in Tennessee to my knowledge) you'd think it'd be more well known to the masses or maybe the masses just aren't feeling it which is why you hardly ever hear about it.