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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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City AG will audit $1B e-bus project as staff negotiate deal with feds — also Lansdowne, Chief William Commanda Bridge

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Jul 07, 2021 • 4 minutes ago • 4 minute read



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Lansdowne sports assets should have been fully replaced: Watson

The city is showing some remorse over its decision not to replace the north-side stands and arena at Lansdowne Park during the most recent redevelopment of the historic property.

“We probably, in hindsight, should have done the north-side stands/Civic Centre renovation at the same time,” Mayor Jim Watson said after Wednesday’s council meeting, a day after the finance and economic development committee endorsed a city proposal to pursue a “revitalization” at Lansdowne.

Unlike the south-side stands, the north-side stands and arena weren’t replaced in the first wave of redevelopment with the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group.

The north-side stands and arena, which opened in 1967 as one structure, have reached the end of their useful lives. The city says they should be replaced, with a new arena recommended to be half the capacity of the current 10,000-seat Civic Centre.

The city took out a $135-million loan to pay for the new south-side stands.

Now it faces a question of how to pay for the other half of the sports facility.

Watson says he wants the city to explore revenue options, such as selling development “air rights” and event ticket surcharges, before turning to taxpayers to fund construction costs. Using tax money is an option, too, since the city owns the sports facilities and is responsible for them, Watson said.

The city recognizes that more people need to live at Lansdowne to support the amenities and events at the site, Watson said.

The study into selling air rights for residential development will also include the potential for affordable housing.


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^^^ Stick a fork in it, this thing is done... It's ugly and obsolete... It's even more done than the Big O, which at least contributes architecturally (its only real leftover value). I was disappointed when the city decided to revamp Landsdown rather than rebuilding it from scratch.
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Lansdowne redevelopment should have included north-side stands, mayor admits
Jim Watson also says more public funds could be spent on city-owned stadium, arena

Joanne Chianello · CBC News
Posted: Jul 07, 2021 5:40 PM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago




The City of Ottawa should have replaced the north-side stands of TD Place stadium, and the arena underneath, during the massive redevelopment of Lansdowne less than a decade ago, Mayor Jim Watson said Wednesday.

Watson's comments come a day after the city's finance and economic development committee agreed to consider a plan to rebuild the 54-year-old concrete structure, which a recent report confirmed has a long list of problems.

The city signed a decades-long deal with its private partner, Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group (OSEG), to revitalize Lansdowne in 2012. At the time, the city spent $135 million to redevelop the stadium, which is publicly owned. The bulk of that money went toward replacing the south-side stands, which had been deemed unsafe.

But the north-side stands, and the Civic Centre underneath it, weren't refurbished.

"When we did the revitalization, we probably, in hindsight, should have done the north-side stands-Civic Centre renovation at the same time," Watson told reporters after the city council meeting.

"And we also recognize, now, that we also need more people to live on the site."

The mayor also didn't rule out spending more public money on the city-owned stadium complex if the reconstruction eventually goes ahead.

"That's obviously one of the options that we have to look at because when you own the facility, you obviously own the responsibility to maintain it," he said.

"The bottom line is, the city owns those assets so ultimately we're responsible for their upgrade."

Full council still needs to give the formal go-ahead to explore the proposal to rebuild the stands complex and it will be months before OSEG comes back with a business plan.

The reconstruction will cost tens of millions of dollars, and it's unclear how the project will be funded. Under the Lansdowne partnership plan, OSEG pays for the ongoing operating costs of the stadium, but the building itself belongs to the city.

Options to defray the costs of construction include adding housing on top of the new structure — which would also bring more people to Lansdowne — and applying a ticket surcharge for events there.

The mayor admitted those measures may not be enough to cover the costs.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/north-side-stands-lansdowne-mayor-watson-1.6091941
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Lansdowne's north-side stands a monument to false economies

City officials knew — or should have known — about the problems with the north side more than a decade ago.
Joanne Chianello · CBC News · Posted: Jul 10, 2021 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: July 10

The city is now contemplating replacing the north-side stands at TD Place, including the Civic Centre arena underneath, only seven years after the refurbishment of Lansdowne. (Andrew Lee/CBC)
The reports of the north-side stands at Lansdowne paint a less-than-ideal picture.

The wonky 1960s-era design of the stadium stands attached underneath the TD Place arena, known as the Civic Centre, has resulted in load-bearing issues — people cannot be in the stadium stands and in the arena underneath simultaneously if there's any chance of snow.

The arena's ventilation is subpar, and even when the system is running at full-strength, fans complain of being cold in their seats. There are mould issues. The suites are closed because they no longer meet modern-day building codes. The list continues.

So it's no surprise that the city and its private partners in Lansdowne — the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group (OSEG) — are now considering tearing it all down.

Except here's the thing: these sorry details are from reports that are more than a decade old.

Lansdowne redevelopment should have included north-side stands, mayor admits
North side 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵, and so does the arena at Lansdowne, report says
This week, Mayor Jim Watson surprised reporters somewhat by openly admitting regret that the north-side complex wasn't rebuilt when Lansdowne underwent its overhaul less than a decade ago.

"We probably, in hindsight, should have done the north-side stands-Civic Centre renovation at the same time," he said.

Well, no kidding.

In addition to all the engineering-type problems that city officials already knew about, there was the general fact that the north stands had been built in 1967. Virtually no events centre meets current entertainment industry standards after 40 or 50 years.

The people who pushed for this deal knew the drawbacks of the north-side stands. Or at least they should have.

So why weren't the stands rebuilt?

According to Watson, the main two reasons were that the north-side stands "could last another decade or so" and "one of financing."


TD Place is the home of the Ottawa Redblacks and Atlético Ottawa CPL teams. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press)
The politics of good enough
Let's take the mayor's first point, that the stands were OK.

Sure, they're going to last. They are a giant complex of steel and concrete, which are inspected regularly to make sure they are structurally sound.

But every year, the complex becomes less and less appealing, which everyone knew more than a decade ago. Soon after OSEG took over operations there, it had to spend $23 million to fix the Civic Centre's spongy roof — and it still leaks.

Lansdowne loses $11M, committee OK's 10-year extension to OSEG
Council votes to extend Lansdowne partnership with OSEG
Of course we want city officials to spend public money wisely. But prudent spending doesn't always mean less spending. (Prime example: Our "Chevy" versus "Cadillac" LRT system, as per the mayor's description. Apologies to Chevy.)

LRT builder has 'failed' residents, city manager says
Good enough is not often recipe for triumph. There were a lot of question marks surrounding the Lansdowne plan, one of which was how to attract enough people to the site.

By not addressing the clear drawbacks of the main sports and entertainment assets, the city didn't do all that it could have to set the stage for success. And now we're looking at paying for it anyway, a decade after losing out on who knows how many opportunities.

Consider this: the arena is so outdated, it doesn't meet the technical specs required to host the national junior hockey championships.


Problems with the north-side stands at Lansdowne were known before the city inked a deal to redevelop the site. (Brian Morris/CBC)
The mayor is fond of saying that the detractors of the Lansdowne redevelopment preferred the crummy asphalt parking lot that was there in the before times.

This is, of course, not true.

More to the point, while "better than a parking lot" may be achievable, it's an awfully low bar.

Cost of stands in the 9-figures
Now, the money.

When the city — which owns the Lansdowne Park site including the stadium and Civic Centre complex — finalized its highly complex partnership with OSEG in 2012, council committed to spending $135 million on the stadium. Almost $100 million of that went to replacing the condemned south-side stands.

Final Lansdowne deal passed by council in October 2012
How much would it have cost to replace the north stands, complete with a new arena? There are no public records that show it had been seriously contemplated, but it would have been more expensive than its south-end counterparts.

If we had spent time then re-imagining the north stands, perhaps Lansdowne — which currently needs an additional one million visitors to be sustainable long-term — would have been more successful.

Or, perhaps, if taxpayers had known the full cost, the project would never have gone ahead at all.

Given the intense controversy around the Lansdowne deal, would it ever have passed if the cost was, say, $250 million instead of $135 million?

It's pretty likely that political consideration entered the calculation when folks decided not to replace the north-side stands.

But not only was that a false economy — if this project goes ahead, we'll be paying a lot more now, not to mention the disruption the construction will cause — it's not transparent governance.

Selling a so-called vision with an artificially lower price tag, knowing that taxpayers will probably have to cough up more later on is what politicians often do.

As well, looking back, if the city had suggested replacing both sets of stands — akin to replacing the entire stadium complex — it would probably have resulted in a larger discussion about whether the Glebe was the right place for a sports stadium, or whether the municipality should even own a stadium.

Vocal critics were trying to make those points anyway, but as long as champions of the plan could argue the stadium was only being refurbished, those wider discussions were kept effectively at bay.

It's no way to make a building decision, but here we are seven years later, contemplating a big outlay that's corrective rather than creative.

The north stands are a concrete monument to the fallacy of short-term bargains. And if a new complex is built — a big if — it should stand as a warning against incrementalism in all public projects.
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South side = fresh, new, curvy, elegant, warm, organic, etc.
North side = old/dated, hard lines, bad angles, cold steel, bulky girders, flat, etc.

My God, it's like they didn't even try. It's as if one designer was responsible for one side, and another designer was responsible for the other side ... and the two designers never bothered to meet.

The term "world class" gets thrown around alot when it comes to this facility. I think this facility will be respectable, but whoever thinks THIS is world class has some pretty low standards.
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Lansdowne sure needs a reboot, but how will the city of Ottawa pay for it?
The 1960s-era decision to tuck an arena under the stadium stuck the municipality with a facility that would be substandard in a city half our size.

Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Jul 20, 2021 • 1 hour ago • 3 minute read




After more than half a century of half-baked development and inadequate fixes at Lansdowne Park, it’s time for the city of Ottawa to get this site right.

Not only do the north side stands 🞵🞵🞵🞵, so does the Civic Centre, the Aberdeen Pavilion and the Horticulture Building. That’s the gist of a city staff report councillors vote on Wednesday. It’s a conclusion that could be reached with just a single visit to Lansdowne.

The north side stands, built in 1967, are past their prime, if they ever had one. Washrooms, concessions, seating and the concourse are all inadequate. Recent engineering reports say the building isn’t going to fall down, but that’s about the best that can be said for it. The Civic Centre arena is tucked under the stands and has all the ambience of the area under your house’s staircase. The Aberdeen Pavilion is a magnificent building, but it has been allowed to decay. The roof leaks and it lacks air conditioning. The Horticulture Building is somewhat better but also lacks air conditioning. All of that makes it difficult to attract people and events to the site.

City staff want Lansdowne’s private sector partner, the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group, to come up with a plan to fix the mess. That’s all councillors were asked to approve this week, but they will be opening the door to a mega-project. Just evaluating OSEG’s ultimate proposal and seeking public views on it is to cost $875,000. The city spent about $211 million on the version of Lansdowne that we have today, with $134 million of that is attributed to the new south side stands.

The next phase of the Lansdowne renewal will almost certainly be larger and it poses significant logistical challenges. The first is where the new Civic Centre would fit on the site. The bigger problem is how to replace the arena and the football stands without disrupting Redblacks and Ottawa 67’s games for an extended period.

Mayor Jim Watson says that “in hindsight,” the city should have replaced the north side stands when it redid the other half of the stadium. Foresight would have suggested the same thing. That decision was made in 2012, when Watson was mayor.

It’s fair to say that the half-reno the city went for was the most the council of the day would accept. Even then, it took an astounding feat of accounting wizardry by city manager Kent Kirkpatrick to convince councillors that they would fix up the derelict Lansdowne without incurring any significant net new spending.

The deal with OSEG was certainly a huge improvement over the city’s long record of neglect. Lansdowne was a little-used sea of asphalt and the south side stands were so badly maintained that they eventually had to be torn down.

Councillors’ decision to go with a football stadium that was good only on one side was an echo of their predecessors’ much earlier decision to build a stadium with one big covered stand and another open to the elements. The 1960s-era decision to tuck an arena under the stadium stuck Ottawa with a facility that would be substandard in a city half our size.

Lansdowne has been a reasonable success, with 20 million people visiting the site over seven years. City staff are right when they say it won’t get better without improving the buildings and adding more reasons to come to Lansdowne.

The question about Lansdowne is not whether it needs to be improved but how the city will pay for it. Staff offer some wishful thinking about new housing above the north-side stands that would produce revenue from selling development rights and add more residents to boost Lansdowne’s economy. Those seem like micro-points but there will be nothing micro about the eventual cost.

The city says the next phase of the redevelopment must be “affordable,” whatever that means. This time, let’s make sure we get full value for our money by doing the job right.

Randall Denley is an Ottawa political commentator and author of the award-nominated mystery novel Payback. Contact him at [email protected]

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If this does go through and the north stand is redeveloped, a couple things:
  • I guess this means the 67s get relegated to Kanata again? Can't imagine them fleeing across the river.
  • Atletico Ottawa can manage crowds using only the south stand but i'm guessing the RBs would prefer not. I wonder if it would be possible to add temp seating to the east end during renos to make up the capacity shortfall for a season, if not two, similar to what was done for the Grey Cup & Heritage Classic

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The 67s started their first season at Robert Guertin before the Civic Centre opened in late December 1967, not that it has any bearing today.

Slush Puppie would be a far better fit location and size wise than the CTC, so we'll see. Gatineau could be a strategic move to gain more Quebec based fans. Question is, would the Olympiques allow it?
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The 67s started their first season at Robert Guertin before the Civic Centre opened in late December 1967, not that it has any bearing today.

Slush Puppie would be a far better fit location and size wise than the CTC, so we'll see. Gatineau could be a strategic move to gain more Quebec based fans. Question is, would the Olympiques allow it?
I'd be surprised if they go to Kanata again, given the huge attendance hit that they took there. Agreed that Gatineau is a much better fit arena-wise, but now that they are out in the east end, the location is not much better than Kanata.

If only Rendez-Vous Lebreton had gone through, they could have just moved up the road. Or if the City was a bit more nimble, 20-21 would have been a great year to redevelop.
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The 67s started their first season at Robert Guertin before the Civic Centre opened in late December 1967, not that it has any bearing today.

Slush Puppie would be a far better fit location and size wise than the CTC, so we'll see. Gatineau could be a strategic move to gain more Quebec based fans. Question is, would the Olympiques allow it?
I highly doubt this would happen, for all sorts of reasons.
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In any case, City staff, politicians and OSEG should spend some time at Olympiques games over the next few years to get a feel for what a modern mid-sized arena can be and learn the positives and negatives of what Gatineau has done.
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'Widespread leaks' found in new Lansdowne parking garage after five years

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Jul 29, 2021 • 23 minutes ago • 4 minute read




A condition assessment of the parking garage at Lansdowne Park showed “widespread leaks” only five years after it was constructed, forcing the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group to spend money on stopping water infiltration during financially draining times for the company.

The 2019 Morrison Hershfield report, obtained from the city through access to information, assessed the waterproofing condition as “fair.” The consultants found evidence of leaks in multiple locations of the parking garage and concluded that “significant targeted replacement repairs to the expansion joints and areas with widespread leakage will need to be performed” to make sure the waterproofing reaches its expected 30-year life.

Keeping as much water out of the garage as possible is critical for the city and OSEG since it contains infrastructure that supports the operation of the site, such as mechanical systems, piping, cables and electrical services.

Construction and operation of the mostly one-level parking garage dates back to 2014.

The consultant estimated the cost of the targeted waterproofing replacement on the garage’s podium deck at $690,000. Other suggested short-term repairs included $130,000 to replace waterproofing where buildings tie into the deck and $125,000 to replace expansion joints.

To complete that work, it could also mean having to spend another $75,000 to remove surface pavement and landscaping to get at the underground parking structure, the report said. The surface was found to be in “excellent” condition by the consultant.

According to information provided to this newspaper by OSEG, leaking has been happening for three main reasons: electrical conduits, expansion joints and a floor epoxy coating that has failed in the area of the high-rise building above the garage.

OSEG and the city brought in an engineer after the 2019 condition assessment to establish a “leak plan,” understand what elements should be repaired and recommend where the water should be diverted.

Since then, two out of three breached expansion joints have been repaired with another scheduled for repair this fall, OSEG said. The epoxy coatings were repaired in 2020 and the electrical conduits were caulked, though the caulking will be an ongoing maintenance requirement.

OSEG said it has spent $150,000 so far on repairs to stop the leaks. The company also noted that underground parking garages are always susceptible to leaking.

As part of the redevelopment, the city paid to build the urban park, south-side stadium stands and the parking garage.

Responsibility for the garage is complicated since there are multiple stakeholders, OSEG said. The city has 1,000 spaces leased to TD Place and the retail section of Lansdowne, while three condo corporations together have 288 spaces and the office building has 90 spaces. OSEG is the manager of the shared facilities.

Matthew Knight, the city’s program manager for infrastructure renewal, said the city is currently repairing waterproofing in the parking garage adjacent to the Horticulture Building. The repairs aren’t covered under construction warranty.

Knight said the city is responsible for repair and maintenance of the portions of the parking garage it owns, as well as a portion of the cost for shared facilities.

Under the agreement with the city, OSEG is required to conduct a third-party engineering report on all city-owned facilities every five years. The report helps decide how much money is required in lifecycle maintenance accounts.

In December 2020, council voted in favour of allowing OSEG to dip into asset maintenance funds to help the company pull through financial challenges caused by COVID-19. Two OSEG-fed reserves — one for the parking garage and another for the stadium and arena — had a combined $4.7 million at the time of the council approval.

OSEG said most of the money in the maintenance reserves was earmarked for lifecycle work at the stadium. The company hadn’t used any lifecycle reserves on the parking garage; it’s paying for any work as required.

(This newspaper first requested the Morrison Hershfield condition report from the city in November 2020 but was directed to the access-to-information process, which produced the document this month.)

Lansdowne could see a second wave of redevelopment in the coming years.

Last week, council signed off on a plan to further improve Lansdowne and make the long-term agreement between the city and OSEG more financially sustainable. The city and OSEG are investigating if the north-side stands and arena should be replaced and if more residential units should be built on the site.

The north-side stands and arena, which are one structure, have been deemed wildly out of date compared to modern entertainment facilities.

Morrison Hershfield also examined the state of TD Place as part of the 2019 condition assessment of city assets. The consultant eyeballed about $6.7-million worth of maintenance required over five years at the entertainment facility, with the 1967 Civic Centre arena requiring most of the work.

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We have no luck with parking garages. Or is it specific to Glebe parking garages?
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New mural at Lansdowne, from Watson's Twitter:

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From saplings to stumps: Some street trees at Lansdowne stubbornly "failing to thrive"
An arboreal struggle playing out on Lansdowne's marquee thoroughfare, Exhibition Way.

Taylor Blewett, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Nov 20, 2021 • 3 hours ago • 3 minute read


It’s an adventure in urban flora, turning off Queen Elizabeth Drive and pulling into the aboveground lot at Lansdowne Park’s northeastern corner.

Grass gives way to evergreens, while shrubs and small trees surround what’s soon to transform into the skating court. There’s even an apple orchard, producer of an annual harvest.

Moving between the park’s heritage buildings and closer to its shops and stadium, the foliage thins, but plenty of trees still populate the plaza beside the Aberdeen Pavillion, across the street from the Cineplex. A massive Christmas tree stands at the pavilion’s front, seeming almost to mock the arboreal struggle playing out on Lansdowne’s marquee thoroughfare, Exhibition Way.

Of 24 tree guards this newspaper counted along the street — black metal structures, reinforced with cardboard — on Wednesday, all but three were treeless.

The stumps found within stand in stark contrast to the verdure of other areas of Lansdowne and even the other major roadway through the commercial section of the park, Marché Way. Most of its guards still had trees to protect.

Of the 700-plus trees at Lansdowne, Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group CEO Mark Goudie said Friday that about five per cent, or 30-odd trees, were “failing to thrive,” with the biggest challenge being those on Exhibition Way.

It was the same expression then-Citizen columnist David Reevely used in 2017, writing on the struggling Lansdowne street trees lining Exhibition and Marché. This is no new calamity.

After years of trial and error, multiple replants and what Goudie figures is a couple hundred thousand dollars on trees and consultants, “I don’t know that we have definitive answers still,” he said, when it comes to what, exactly, is keeping this last cohort of trees from a firm hold on life.

They’ve toiled over soil conditions and levels, and with getting the irrigation balance right, but salt in the tree roots has been the constant challenge, Goudie said. The site doesn’t have curbs, so, when salt products are used on roadways, they wash into the tree wells. They installed a lip around the wells to try to solve that problem, but lost trees again last year.

A lot of time was spent in the summer with consultants and city forestry officials “getting to the root cause of what we can do and what works better going forward,” Goudie said. It’s been suggested they consider some different types of tree — most of those lost were elm, a few were honey locust — and they plan to finalize those choices over the winter and plant in the spring.

“And we’ll continue to investigate soil levels and the salt content and figure out if there’s … a better way to try to grow trees in an urban environment.”

The city councillor whose ward includes Lansdowne already has some ideas.

“More care and space for trees and reducing the amount of cut-through traffic, and, as a result, the salt that’s needed there,” Capital Ward Coun. Shawn Menard suggested. He’d like to see the end of motorist through-traffic at Lansdowne altogether.

OSEG’s vice-president of community affairs, Janice Barresi, said at this point they felt the “comprehensive remediation plan” for the small percentage of struggling trees would prove effective.

If you ask Jennifer Humphries, a tree representative with the Glebe Community Association, it’s time to admit defeat and go back to square one with trees on Exhibition Way.

“Have an urban landscape person and a forester advise on how to really do plantings that will work in that area and give them every chance to thrive. It may mean digging stuff up and redoing parts of the sidewalk, and so be it.”

It will come at a cost, Humphries acknowledged, but perhaps it’s better to focus resources on creating conditions for a portion of the street’s flora to flourish. Or maybe the trees could get a sponsor, she suggested, like Lansdowne’s Casino Lac-Leamy Plaza.

The importance of thriving tree cover, Humphries explained, extends beyond aesthetics. Barren, shadeless streets are hotter and less comfortable streets.

“And the whole point of Lansdowne is to have people feeling like they really want to be there.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...t-lansdowne-stubbornly-failing-to-thrive
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From saplings to stumps: Some street trees at Lansdowne stubbornly "failing to thrive"
An arboreal struggle playing out on Lansdowne's marquee thoroughfare, Exhibition Way.

Taylor Blewett, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Nov 20, 2021 • 3 hours ago • 3 minute read


It’s an adventure in urban flora, turning off Queen Elizabeth Drive and pulling into the aboveground lot at Lansdowne Park’s northeastern corner.

Grass gives way to evergreens, while shrubs and small trees surround what’s soon to transform into the skating court. There’s even an apple orchard, producer of an annual harvest.

Moving between the park’s heritage buildings and closer to its shops and stadium, the foliage thins, but plenty of trees still populate the plaza beside the Aberdeen Pavillion, across the street from the Cineplex. A massive Christmas tree stands at the pavilion’s front, seeming almost to mock the arboreal struggle playing out on Lansdowne’s marquee thoroughfare, Exhibition Way.

Of 24 tree guards this newspaper counted along the street — black metal structures, reinforced with cardboard — on Wednesday, all but three were treeless.

The stumps found within stand in stark contrast to the verdure of other areas of Lansdowne and even the other major roadway through the commercial section of the park, Marché Way. Most of its guards still had trees to protect.

Of the 700-plus trees at Lansdowne, Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group CEO Mark Goudie said Friday that about five per cent, or 30-odd trees, were “failing to thrive,” with the biggest challenge being those on Exhibition Way.

It was the same expression then-Citizen columnist David Reevely used in 2017, writing on the struggling Lansdowne street trees lining Exhibition and Marché. This is no new calamity.

After years of trial and error, multiple replants and what Goudie figures is a couple hundred thousand dollars on trees and consultants, “I don’t know that we have definitive answers still,” he said, when it comes to what, exactly, is keeping this last cohort of trees from a firm hold on life.

They’ve toiled over soil conditions and levels, and with getting the irrigation balance right, but salt in the tree roots has been the constant challenge, Goudie said. The site doesn’t have curbs, so, when salt products are used on roadways, they wash into the tree wells. They installed a lip around the wells to try to solve that problem, but lost trees again last year.

A lot of time was spent in the summer with consultants and city forestry officials “getting to the root cause of what we can do and what works better going forward,” Goudie said. It’s been suggested they consider some different types of tree — most of those lost were elm, a few were honey locust — and they plan to finalize those choices over the winter and plant in the spring.

“And we’ll continue to investigate soil levels and the salt content and figure out if there’s … a better way to try to grow trees in an urban environment.”

The city councillor whose ward includes Lansdowne already has some ideas.

“More care and space for trees and reducing the amount of cut-through traffic, and, as a result, the salt that’s needed there,” Capital Ward Coun. Shawn Menard suggested. He’d like to see the end of motorist through-traffic at Lansdowne altogether.

OSEG’s vice-president of community affairs, Janice Barresi, said at this point they felt the “comprehensive remediation plan” for the small percentage of struggling trees would prove effective.

If you ask Jennifer Humphries, a tree representative with the Glebe Community Association, it’s time to admit defeat and go back to square one with trees on Exhibition Way.

“Have an urban landscape person and a forester advise on how to really do plantings that will work in that area and give them every chance to thrive. It may mean digging stuff up and redoing parts of the sidewalk, and so be it.”

It will come at a cost, Humphries acknowledged, but perhaps it’s better to focus resources on creating conditions for a portion of the street’s flora to flourish. Or maybe the trees could get a sponsor, she suggested, like Lansdowne’s Casino Lac-Leamy Plaza.

The importance of thriving tree cover, Humphries explained, extends beyond aesthetics. Barren, shadeless streets are hotter and less comfortable streets.

“And the whole point of Lansdowne is to have people feeling like they really want to be there.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...t-lansdowne-stubbornly-failing-to-thrive
Tree care is a problem in most of Ottawa, at least we’re they are close to roads…
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Tree care is a problem in most of Ottawa, at least we’re they are close to roads…
The ones at Lansdowne are also on top of a parking garage, so that's going to be an additional challenge.
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I'm sure some of the businesses get drive up customers in the 10 or 15 surface parking spots but surely the added pedestrian ambience and patio room would be worth more. It's such a weird dynamic in this city. No street can be without parking but more generally we have a war on cars with obstacles and excessively low speed limits proliferating.
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... and excessively low speed limits proliferating.
Like 5km/h this sign at Loblaws on Baseline near Woodroffe.
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The ones at Lansdowne are also on top of a parking garage, so that's going to be an additional challenge.
You mean to tell me a tree planted in 20" of soil, entombed in a concrete sidewalk, with a drain to collect salt water ISN"T going to thrive!? Say it ain't so!

At least in the 70's-90's the city used to install those tripping hazard 6x6' or 8x8' open-top tree wells.

I was initially impressed at Lansdowne, because the sidewalk drains were strategically placed to direct water into the tree tombs. But the slopes were not quite there, and a lot of the reverse-snorkels for trees are actually on the high points of the sidewalk now.

Surely there must be a way to plant a tree so it'll survive with minimal maintenance near a boulevard.
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