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  #1101  
Old Posted Jun 10, 2021, 3:46 AM
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Standard Life Assurance Company was trying to build something on that site back in 2000 as well around the time of station construction.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2021, 8:01 PM
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Wow they've made a lot of progress since the last set of photographs of the pit.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2021, 8:17 PM
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It's time to get high, one layer at a time!
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2021, 8:48 PM
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There was a worker who died in one of those M-Line column footing excavations.

Found this (no real details though)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5...m+Line+-+What+You+Dont+See+-+Eastman.pdf
He was the older brother of my good friend. RIP Rylan Pratt.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2021, 11:37 PM
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Wow, what a construction site!

This one is starting to get very interesting.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2021, 1:06 AM
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Great update! Those SkyTrain columns are something to behold!
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2021, 1:24 AM
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Wish I still lived in Burnaby to witness this one go up. Very cool construction site. Thanks for the pictures and keep the updates coming!
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2021, 6:33 AM
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Yes! Those Skytrain columns pedestals are a treat to witness at this stage of construction (Archival-quality photos).
Soon to be hidden for ever, but might still be able to make some reference to them when construction is finish.
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Columns are even more exposed.

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Seems like might be 7 or 8 underground levels

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Hard to see from these angle, but it seems like quite a bit more digging required (2-3 month) before they can proceed with third crane for third tower.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2021, 4:22 PM
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This is an exciting project overall, but honestly spending this much time/$/GHG emissions building 7 levels of parking on a site that literally straddles a transit station is insane.
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This is an exciting project overall, but honestly spending this much time/$/GHG emissions building 7 levels of parking on a site that literally straddles a transit station is insane.
Any idea what the overall ratio of parking spots to residences will be?

I agree with you. Not only a train station, but on a line that is about to become significantly more useful with the extension to Arbutus, and ideally UBC in the medium term.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2021, 7:13 PM
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If you had no parking under a 64 floor tower how deep would you still need to make the foundation?

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Old Posted Jul 7, 2021, 3:27 AM
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If you had no parking under a 64 floor tower how deep would you still need to make the foundation?
You mean no 'below grade' parking, right?

You would still need parking obviously, and if you can't put it underground it would likely go in the podium as they do in Richmond.


Regardless, you're asking about a situation in which you can't excavate (too deep) for various reasons (high water table, no bedrock to anchor, unstable silt/sand conditions).

It would still depend on a whole bunch of other factors.
In the case of the high water table or a presence of an underground aquifer, for example, it would be a case of tanking the foundation which requires a deeper than normal base slab (but still not several floors deep).

In other cases you're not so much worried about the high water table, but you still can't excavate too deep - like in the case of unstable silt or sand conditions - simply because there's nothing to anchor the building to. And in those situations you're probably piling all the way down to try to get to bedrock to anchor the building as it sits on piles - to prevent uneven settling (and possible tilting) in the future.

I guess all of which is to say, it depends on the specific situation and conditions preventing you from having below grade or subterranean excavation and construction
In most of these cases you're likely not going to go more than a few floors deep below grade, but your base slab will probably be very thick.

Check out how thick the base slab of the Oakridge project (which sits above an active aquifer, and despite which they're still excavating and going deep) is, on the Oakridge thread.
I believe some sections are 4 METERS thick of solid reinforced steel concrete.
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2021, 6:41 AM
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Jollyburger: To get a feel for what you are asking, consider some structures that have no occupiable space below grade. Good examples are road infrastructures. Bridge towers being the best.

The Port Mann towers sit on piles that are then overlaid with a concrete cap structure to evenly apply the load to the piles (think of it as a transfer slab: very big, thick and full of re-bar). The towers are tied to the cap, and their load is carried through it. The cap is only slightly above grade, but that isn't necessary.

Towers like the CN Tower are essentially the same - no occupied space below grade.

I believe Rogers Arena was essentially built on grade. I can't remember if it is on a traditional foundation directly bearing, or if it used piles.

We have done several houses (Vancouver Island & Quebec) directly on bedrock - no excavation at all, as well as a 7 story building also directly on bedrock - we had to do some blasting to get the separate parking structure below a zoning datum (in Austria).

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Old Posted Jul 7, 2021, 9:44 AM
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Rogers Arena has one or two levels of underground parking for the Club Seat ticketholders.
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2021, 4:39 PM
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Rogers Arena has one or two levels of underground parking for the Club Seat ticketholders.
Saw an early cross section which had the ice at grade but then the redevelopment documents for 800 Griffith seemed to have 2 levels of underground for most of the site (?)



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https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/800griffith/index.htm
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2021, 6:42 PM
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Saw an early cross section which had the ice at grade but then the redevelopment documents for 800 Griffith seemed to have 2 levels of underground for most of the site (?)
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Credit: Vancouver Sun

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/800griffith/index.htm
As a comparison, The Sofi stadium in Los Angeles for the LA Rams is built with the playing field almost 3 tier levels (over 100 feet) below grade.

I should say,......the $5 BILLION SOFI stadium (yes, that's billion with a "b". No doubt most of that money based on the land value (despite being located i Inglewood) and the one-of-a-kind circular giant screen LED display scoreboard video screen (the Oculus).

I kid.
I believe it has the most luxury and VIP boxes of any modern stadium in the world, and that should answer the question as to why so expensive.








I can't quite remember why they did it that way.

(EDIT : Okay, I just recalled. It's because the stadium sits in the flight path of LAX airport and as you can imagine,........height restrictions for passing planes)

It seems to be the same case with the Dallas cowboys stadium in Dallas
Playing field (two tiers in this case) below grade with no structure (parking, storage, mech, etc) below the actual field.


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Old Posted Jul 7, 2021, 10:33 PM
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BC Place is the same way if you think of Beatty Street as "at grade".
It's also to reduce the bulk of the stadium in the neighbourhood.

Vancouver was lucky because of the escarpment, both Rogers Arena and BC Place sit lower than the downtown side street grid.
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2021, 2:11 AM
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BC Place is the same way if you think of Beatty Street as "at grade".
It's also to reduce the bulk of the stadium in the neighbourhood.

Vancouver was lucky because of the escarpment, both Rogers Arena and BC Place sit lower than the downtown side street grid.

The new roof redesign and construction pulverized that reasoning.

(It is impressive, though)
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