The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 795

Truenorth00 · #**15881** Posted **Jun 16, 2021, 4:07 PM**

Two votes from going the other way. Wow. Close.

SteelTown · #**15882** Posted **Jun 16, 2021, 5:06 PM**

It's your typical urban vs suburban councillors. Guess which side voted no. One urban councillor is a career politician who got elected as being a former Blockbuster manager and I believe he was the youngest elected. As he intends to keep his career as a local politician he'll be around to say, "See, I told you so".

ScreamingViking · #**15883** Posted **Jun 16, 2021, 5:14 PM**

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Two votes from going the other way. Wow. Close.

When it comes to the LRT issue it usually is. Would probably have been 9-7 if another councillor wasn't off on long term sick leave.

4 of the 6 opposed are councillors in the outer suburbs whose wards include rural land, another is from the east end of the original city, and the other from a ward on the east mountain.

They oppose largely because they believe their constituents won't get any benefit from the project, and some argue that a city-wide BRT system would be better (but probably don't understand what a true BRT is... some of the residents of those outer wards would have a fit over dedicated bus lanes taking part of the major arterial roads). There's also angst about the city's costs to operate LRT; BRT supporters don't seem to understand there will be operating costs involved with that too, much greater for equivalent service.

The final MOU will likely squeak through on a close vote as well. The dissenters can safely oppose a $3.4 billion investment knowing that there is enough support from other councillors, while staying faithful to many of the subjects in their ward fiefdoms.

Mr. Blue · #**15884** Posted **Jun 16, 2021, 6:06 PM**

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New high level site plan of Exhibition Station as well:

https://www.metrolinxengage.com/en/content/ontario-line-neighbourhood-updates-west

Interesting. I take it all GO trains (Express and Local) will stop at Exhibition.

Innsertnamehere · #**15885** Posted **Jun 16, 2021, 6:17 PM**

Metrolinx is hoping to divert riders onto the Ontario Line I believe to try and relieve pressure at Union Station.

J.OT13 · #**15886** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 9:32 AM**

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Metrolinx is hoping to divert riders onto the Ontario Line I believe to try and relieve pressure at Union Station.

Good to hear. Toronto has needed a second Union Station for a while.

J.OT13 · #**15887** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 9:34 AM**

Ottawa's electric fleet rollout plan. Four buses to be delivered this year. The fleet will grow by 74 by 2023. 450 by 2027 and full electric by 2036.

Based on existing diesel bus replacement timelines.

https://twitter.com/KatePorterCBC/status/1405227520685916169

https://twitter.com/KatePorterCBC/status/1405176011772383241

https://twitter.com/MathieuFleury/status/1405198926651793408

https://twitter.com/KatePorterCBC/status/1405180630191779841

Beedok · #**15888** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 3:20 PM**

Wondering if Hamilton or Quebec City will get LRT finished first.

swimmer_spe · #**15889** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 3:32 PM**

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Wondering if Hamilton or Quebec City will get LRT finished first.

QC seems to be further along. I'd give them the edge.

someone123 · #**15890** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 6:19 PM**

Bedford ferry and terminal upgrade planning is happening for metro Halifax:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/ferry-study-funding-bedford-halifax-1.6069062

This project has been started and stopped many times because of waffling over whether to do a ferry or commuter rail. I think the ferry is more likely to happen now because commuter rail seems dead for the foreseeable future. The rapid transit plan calls for 2 other ferry terminals, Larry Uteck (partway to Mill Cove on the western side of the basin) and Shannon Park (mixed use development area in north end Dartmouth).

I'd guess the rapid transit plan when built out would amount to the biggest ferry network in Canada, and maybe top 10 in North America?

There are also small/seasonal ferries that operate on the Northwest Arm and to McNab's island as well as George's now. Sometimes Herring Cove has been included in transit planning too (similar to Mill Cove on the map above, but heading south instead of north). So there are a bunch of different places people travel to by boat.

J.OT13 · #**15891** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 8:44 PM**

Pretty cool, but I imagine this would be much slower than commuter rail. The ferry might be zero emissions, but people will probably let their cars idle (unless rules on turning off cars are enforced).

someone123 · #**15892** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 8:52 PM**

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Pretty cool, but I imagine this would be much slower than commuter rail. The ferry might be zero emissions, but people will probably let their cars idle (unless rules on turning off cars are enforced).

The timing is predicted to be exactly the same to Mill Cove, 18 mins. But there are some differences. The ferry does not stop in the middle and it goes to downtown whereas commuter rail terminated in the South End. The ferries could end up being better due to the geography and the rail alignment.

Truenorth00 · #**15893** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 9:01 PM**

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Pretty cool, but I imagine this would be much slower than commuter rail.

There's no en route stops, which a commuter rail would have. It's probably going to be a wash or slightly faster than a commuter rail line would have been. Even New York is deploying them now as an alternative to subways for some routes.

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The ferry might be zero emissions, but people will probably let their cars idle (unless rules on turning off cars are enforced).

Why would they not wait in ferry terminal?

MalcolmTucker · #**15894** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 9:13 PM**

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Pretty cool, but I imagine this would be much slower than commuter rail. The ferry might be zero emissions, but people will probably let their cars idle (unless rules on turning off cars are enforced).

Oh. Unless I am mistaken this will be a walk on ferry.

Truenorth00 · #**15895** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 10:01 PM**

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Oh. Unless I am mistaken this will be a walk on ferry.

Does Halifax have any ferries that board cars? I thought they were all passenger ferries.

someone123 · #**15896** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 10:33 PM**

They are all passenger ferries. It is not obvious in that map but some suburban areas could also feed into Mill Cove.

Nite · #**15897** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 6:39 AM**

Toronto - Eglinton Crosstown - Keelesdale Station Update

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J.OT13 · #**15898** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 1:18 PM**

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The timing is predicted to be exactly the same to Mill Cove, 18 mins. But there are some differences. The ferry does not stop in the middle and it goes to downtown whereas commuter rail terminated in the South End. The ferries could end up being better due to the geography and the rail alignment.

Ok, that sounds like a good plan then.

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Oh. Unless I am mistaken this will be a walk on ferry.

Good to hear.

J.OT13 · #**15899** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 1:19 PM**

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Toronto - Eglinton Crosstown - Keelesdale Station Update

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Underground Crosstown stations are quite nice. Very bright and open.

Innsertnamehere · #**15900** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 1:24 PM**

the double height space at platform level is great. The stations almost look funny for Toronto standards as they are shorter. I know sheppard is shorter like that as well, it just looks odd.

And also, damn is it refreshing to see Eglinton not be a complete construction mess. The day that Eglinton and the Allen end the lane closures will be a surreal day for the city, that intersection has been ripped up for damn near a decade now.