O-Train Line 1/3 [Stage 2 | West Extension | Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[roger1818]

It is funny how the signs on the new renderings at Kitchi Sibi still say Dominion. Also, does anyone else see the irony of having a car dealership adjacent to New Orchard station? Finally, does anyone else agree that Moodie seems a bit overbuilt considering after Stage 3, its usage will be greatly reduced?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by roger1818

It is funny how the signs on the new renderings at Kitchi Sibi still say Dominion. Also, does anyone else see the irony of having a car dealership adjacent to New Orchard station? Finally, does anyone else agree that Moodie seems a bit overbuilt considering after Stage 3, its usage will be greatly reduced?

A few of the new renderings still show the old names. On Trillium, most renderings show Spirits instead of the FLIRTs or LINTs.

I have high-hopes of seeing the northern part of Richmond between Maplelawn and McEwen redeveloped into a mixed-use centre with decently designed high-rises on retail podiums. The area has been a rapid transit gap for decades even with the existing density. It can only get better from here.

I agree Moodie is probably overbuilt. They could easily have kept Bayshore as the main transfer hub (and added washrooms and new retail space), with Moodie used as a secondary transfer hub for Kanata, along with the DND shuttle.

If more density is added to Crystal Beach and Bell's Corners, the station could one day become relatively busy even after Stage 3.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by roger1818

It is funny how the signs on the new renderings at Kitchi Sibi still say Dominion. Also, does anyone else see the irony of having a car dealership adjacent to New Orchard station? Finally, does anyone else agree that Moodie seems a bit overbuilt considering after Stage 3, its usage will be greatly reduced?

It makes me seriously wonder if behind the scenes the city and the NCC are considering opening up some of the Greenbelt land around Moodie for some more intensification at some point. If they ever do cut some of the Greenbelt that would be the best spot for development. Light Rail, junction of two highways, and a major employment hub right there.

[Williamoforange]

Bayshore area is 6128m^2 tunneys is 9992m^2 Blair is 14,000+m^2 (when you include bus layup)

Bayshore just wasn't big enough to be a terminal station.

As for moodies size, I was under the impression that it will be shrunk & returned to Parkland once stage three goes through. Mind you the city can always renige on that part of the deal.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I agree Moodie is probably overbuilt. They could easily have kept Bayshore as the main transfer hub (and added washrooms and new retail space), with Moodie used as a secondary transfer hub for Kanata, along with the DND shuttle.

The problem with Bayshore is the city doesn't own enough land to make a terminal bus transfer station. Terminal stations need a lot more land for layup bays, as the buses need to hang around waiting for their scheduled departure time. Through stations (like it currently is) have the buses in and out quickly. I gather that was the main reason for extending the line to Moodie, as it was cheaper than acquiring the land they would have required at Bayshore. The whole connection to DND was just political spin.

Originally Posted by J.OT13

If more density is added to Crystal Beach and Bell's Corners, the station could one day become relatively busy even after Stage 3.

Originally Posted by Harley613

It makes me seriously wonder if behind the scenes the city and the NCC are considering opening up some of the Greenbelt land around Moodie for some more intensification at some point. If they ever do cut some of the Greenbelt that would be the best spot for development. Light Rail, junction of two highways, and a major employment hub right there.

True, though I still feel the station is overbuilt for the long term, even if all of that happens.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by roger1818

The problem with Bayshore is the city doesn't own enough land to make a terminal bus transfer station. Terminal stations need a lot more land for layup bays, as the buses need to hang around waiting for their scheduled departure time. Through stations (like it currently is) have the buses in and out quickly. I gather that was the main reason for extending the line to Moodie, as it was cheaper than acquiring the land they would have required at Bayshore. The whole connection to DND was just political spin.

I wish OC Transpo had the capability to do what the TTC does, which is to have specific bus "bays" for each route that serves a station. That way, the bus stop is effectively the layup spot. It takes up way less space, and allows for excellent local service at smaller stations across the span of the entire line.

There are far too many routes and a bit too much interlining here for that to be practical though.

Originally Posted by Harley613

It makes me seriously wonder if behind the scenes the city and the NCC are considering opening up some of the Greenbelt land around Moodie for some more intensification at some point. If they ever do cut some of the Greenbelt that would be the best spot for development. Light Rail, junction of two highways, and a major employment hub right there.

I somehow doubt any part of this project includes that kind of foresight...

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by roger1818

It is funny how the signs on the new renderings at Kitchi Sibi still say Dominion.

Originally Posted by J.OT13

A few of the new renderings still show the old names. On Trillium, most renderings show Spirits instead of the FLIRTs or LINTs.

I can confirm that all these "new" renderings are in fact as old as the other ones. I recall seeing them when I did a co-op stint with OCT back in 2019.

Edit: That's in regards to the the Confed line extensions, though. Some of the new Trillium Line renderings look like they might be new.

Originally Posted by Harley613

It makes me seriously wonder if behind the scenes the city and the NCC are considering opening up some of the Greenbelt land around Moodie for some more intensification at some point. If they ever do cut some of the Greenbelt that would be the best spot for development. Light Rail, junction of two highways, and a major employment hub right there.

If the NCC ever does open up greenbelt land for development, it should be for small TOD clusters around stations like Moodie or maybe even future infill stations. But I don't expect that to ever happen in my lifetime.

[J.OT13]

Notice of Construction
June 2021

As part of the Stage 2 O-Train Light Rail Transit (LRT) project, crews and equipment will be undertaking the preparatory work necessary before station and guideway construction between Tunney’s Pasture and Kìchì Sìbì Stations. Over the next six months, a series of activities will take place on the Sir John A. Macdonald (SJAM) Parkway, around Dominion, Workman and Roosevelt Avenues, and on Scott St. west of Smirle Ave. This will include road widening on Scott St. and at the SJAM Parkway as part of the construction of the Scott St. Transitway Detour.

What

Throughout the areas identified above, there will be the setup of a work zone with fencing, heavy equipment, trailers, and machinery. The Roosevelt pedestrian bridge will be removed and dismantled to allow for the construction of a bus-only bridge required for the Scott St. Transitway detour. The removal of the pedestrian bridge will be followed by the construction of bridge abutments, caisson drilling, and crane installation on Workman Ave at the Transitway. Later this summer, temporary noise barriers will be installed on Workman Ave. and at two sections on the south side of Scott St. east of Lanark Ave and east of Island Park Dr.. Construction of the bus-only bridge structure will begin in the fall.

There will also be utilities and road work in the SJAM, Dominion Ave. and Churchill Ave. areas. Road widening work on the SJAM Parkway at the Transitway and on Scott St. between Churchill and Smirle Avenues will begin in May 2021. This road widening is to accommodate the Scott St. Transitway detour which will begin in the spring of 2022.

When

Starting as early as June 25, 2021 through December 2021 for bridge and detour work; followed by ongoing station and guideway construction until 2023.

Hours

Regular work hours are Monday to Saturday between 7:00 am and 6:00 pm.

Periodic night work after 11:00 pm will be required. A Noise By-law Exemption permit is required to perform night work.

Why

Building of the Scott St. Transitway detour prior to construction of Kìchì Sìbì and Westboro Stations and the LRT guideway.

Where

Kìchì Sìbì Station area and along Scott St. between Churchill and Smirle Avenues.



Anticipated Impacts


Construction Impacts

Residents nearby can expect to hear noise and vibration from crews, equipment, and heavy machinery. Noise and vibration levels are monitored and reported to the City. Driveway access will be temporarily restricted on Workman Ave. during the bridge replacement operations in fall 2021. Residents will be notified of road closure and impact details in advance.

Mobility Impacts

Construction fencing and signage will be in place around all work areas.

There will be temporary lane reductions and traffic delays throughout the area for local traffic during certain operations.

Following the removal of the Roosevelt pedestrian bridge, pedestrian and cyclist detours will be in place for the duration of station and guideway construction using SJAM, Dominion, Workman and Churchill Avenues. A pathway detour will be in place along the Transitway south side, from Winston Ave connecting with Churchill Ave.

In areas of road work on Scott St., pedestrian and cycling facilities will be maintained.

Motorists should adhere to detours, traffic control signage, posted speed limits, and use extra caution as traffic patterns change. Motorists should use caution and allow for added travel time when moving through active construction corridors.

Pedestrians and cyclists should adhere to all posted signage and use extra caution when travelling through construction areas, as patterns will change from time to time.

The safety of the public and workers is paramount, and we thank you for your patience during construction.


For other accommodations, or any questions, please contact:

Jessica Maxwell
Stakeholder Relations, Rail Construction Program, City of Ottawa
[email protected]
www.ottawa.ca/stage2

[OTownandDown]

Wow, such a high-tech and well described diagram for a $10 million dollar road reconstruction.

At least copy/paste the site plan. 6 minutes of .pdf editing is not quite enough information.

Also, I guess the rich people on the beach side get sound attenuation and a separation to the bus route, but the poors living in public housing with buses literally 10 feet from their bedrooms don't get anything? Based on that diagram, I mean?

[Hybrid247]

Lol ya it looks like someone used MS paint to draw that up

They had a more detailed schematics back in the 2017 info session presentation if you're interested.

[J.OT13]

Jim Watson
@JimWatsonOttawa

#Stage2WestExtension crews are making great progress on the tunnel at Woodroffe! Crews have been excavating and installing temporary decking that will carry traffic on Woodroffe, while construction of the tunnel continues beneath the road. Woodroffe will open on time tomorrow!


2:15 PM · Jun 9, 2021·Twitter Web App

https://twitter.com/JimWatsonOttawa/status/1402690708209762306

[eltodesukane]

Any map of where is that tunnel exactly?

[eltodesukane]

Originally Posted by Hybrid247

Lol ya it looks like someone used MS paint to draw that up

They had a more detailed schematics back in the 2017 info session presentation if you're interested.

All maps and images in that pdf are very poor quality jpeg ...

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Any map of where is that tunnel exactly?

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

All maps and images in that pdf are very poor quality jpeg ...

The RailFans map shows the tunnel if you zoom way in: https://map.railfans.ca/#16.23/45.37508/-75.776488/-30

[J.OT13]

How would surface or elevated save trees? Does not compute.

Rail613
@rail613

Replying to
@RM_Transit

Yep, just think how much faster #ConfederationLine west would have been along the Ottawa River Parkway and the Byron Streetcar Corridor if level/above ground rather than an expensive covered trench (except it’s open at stations).
Would have saved many large trees too.




7:57 AM · Jun 11, 2021·Tweetbot for iΟS

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

How would surface or elevated save trees? Does not compute.

This route actually takes the LRT close to where people live and has stations in neighbourhoods instead of running through greenspace. I'm not sure how people would like an elevated train running along the river??

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

How would surface or elevated save trees? Does not compute.

The only thing I can think of is if they wanted it to run on/above the street instead of using the Byron linear park. Regardless, I gather many of the trees were saved by moving them to other locations.

[VANRIDERFAN]

This has likely been beat to death already but is there any desire to have the LRT route from Moodie be altered so that it goes directly to Carling Campus and then loop through Shirley's Bay area (Future site of the Joint Operations Command building) and then back to Kanata?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

This has likely been beat to death already but is there any desire to have the LRT route from Moodie be altered so that it goes directly to Carling Campus and then loop through Shirley's Bay area (Future site of the Joint Operations Command building) and then back to Kanata?

That route was explored, but ultimately rejected. The Kanata route will use the existing and long planned Transitway corridor along the Queensway. Basicly ready to be built, pending funding commitments from the Feds and Province.

Unless there's a major shift next municipal election, we can expect Stage 3 to be built as proposed (or shortened). I'm expecting funding announcements 2024 with shovels in the ground early 2026.

[SidetrackedSue]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

Also, I guess the rich people on the beach side get sound attenuation and a separation to the bus route, but the poors living in public housing with buses literally 10 feet from their bedrooms don't get anything? Based on that diagram, I mean?

Everyone knows noise only travels northward. /s

There was a meeting at the public housing building so staff (City and contractor) could see, first hand, the concerns of the residents by walking the site instead of looking at maps and satellite pictures.

Ignoring the thousands of buses going past the building daily, there is the issue of walking from the building to Churchill. Looking at slide 34 in the presentation linked to above, you can see the residents are expected to walk to Churchill alongside 130+ buses an hour during peak hours.

The path proposed due to the loss of the MUP will now take residents across the parking garage/lot entrance, not on a sidewalk, and have them walking awfully close to the buses. Along with no mention of noise abatement for the residents, there is no mention in the document of building a sidewalk and marked walkway from the existing door path past the parking lot entrances. No mention of putting up a barrier to stop people from inadvertently stepping in front of buses. No mention of finding a way to reroute pedestrian traffic away from the transitway.

Children take a school bus from Churchill. The foot traffic at all times to/from that building is significant compared Workman.

Their surface parking lot stretches to Wilmont, the side street behind the building. I'm hoping they'll take my suggestion and put in a gate there for residents to walk to Churchill without having to walk right beside the transitway, including building a sidewalk along the western edge of the parking lot for people to use so they aren't walking down the centre of the lot where cars are backing out of their spots.

Moving the bus stop on Churchill a half block to right next to Wilmont will make up for losing the bus stop right at Scott and Churchill. The bus stop on northbound Churchill should be moved back to Wilmont as well, and at least a cross walk painted to allow for people to cross. Otherwise, people will get off at the corner, cross with the light and then walk along the new transitway lanes to their building whether that's the safe choice or not.

I agree that not everyone will take a new route to Churchill but if you don't supply them any safe route, separated from the buses, then the chance someone will be hit or slip on ice and fall under a bus rests on the city.

The illustration doesn't include lanes for vehicle access to the apartment building and takes away about 1/3 of the circle in front of the building, space unfortunately used regularly by ambulances and fire trucks according the building manager who spoke at the meeting.

This detour is a perfect example of how the vulnerable in society are literally less than an afterthought. It was decided this was the best route to take without any plan to mitigate the noise or danger to these residents, while the residents on Workman are given a noise barrier and apologies that trees need to be taken down but assurance a "Landscape and tree compensation plan to be developed in consultation with local community" (slide 30)