NEW YORK | 175 Park Avenue (Grand Hyatt) | 1,581 FT | 92 FLOORS

[NYguy]

Nothing really new from the meeting, but ULURP has officially begun.

[pianowizard]

^Same here! Assuming that the building will be completed on schedule (2030) and that I am still alive, I would definitely stay there for at least one night, no matter the price. I predict that even the cheapest room would cost at least $500 per night, but that's okay for such a unique experience.

[NYguy]

There are several milestones I’m looking forward to with this tower’s construction.

The first, of course, is demolition. Just getting that building down will be a job, and as we’ve seen recently with 270 Park, it’s one that will be down and gone before you know it.

The second milestone would be getting at least the first 200 ft of the base built, where we will see the iconic features that will make this building special at the ground level.

The third milestone, which would come soon after, would be the transition from the first setback.

The fourth milestone will be when this tower surpasses the MetLife in height, because we will be halfway up.

And for me, the fifth milestone would be topping out, where we get the glorious crown. Everything after that will be just gravy, as we will have the full skyline impact, and the building would be completed a year or two later.

Can’t wait.

[KevinFromTexas]

I remember initially, that this was stated to be 1,646 feet. Why did it lose that three feet? I know it's a tiny amount, especially on a building like this, but it was kind of an insane realization to know this would be 600 feet taller than the Chrysler Building.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

I remember initially, that this was stated to be 1,646 feet. Why did it lose that three feet? I know it's a tiny amount, especially on a building like this, but it was kind of an insane realization to know this would be 600 feet taller than the Chrysler Building.

Who know’s why they lost that 3 ft ( it’s very specific ). But that’s what they say it is in the latest filing to the CPC.

It leads me to believe that they have a pretty good idea where this is going, despite nothing being final.

[mrnyc]

the renders are sweet, but they depict beyond 2030, so the people should be dressed more futuristic.

[jbermingham123]

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

I remember initially, that this was stated to be 1,646 feet. Why did it lose that three feet? I know it's a tiny amount, especially on a building like this, but it was kind of an insane realization to know this would be 600 feet taller than the Chrysler Building.

I heard they're taking away a foot every time the mets lose to philly

[pianowizard]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Who know’s why they lost that 3 ft ( it’s very specific ). But that’s what they say it is in the latest filing to the CPC.

It leads me to believe that they have a pretty good idea where this is going, despite nothing being final.

This could suggest that they are trying hard to stay above the half kilometer mark, since 1642.5 ft = 500.63 m. If reduced further to 1600.0 ft, the height would become 499.87 m. Remember, Taipei 101 made a big splash when it broke the half kilometer mark. Grand Hyatt might be aiming for such publicity.

Hopefully they really care so much about height!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by pianowizard

This could suggest that they are trying hard to stay above the half kilometer mark, since 1642.5 ft = 500.63 m. If reduced further to 1600.0 ft, the height would become 499.87 m. Remember, Taipei 101 made a big splash when it broke the half kilometer mark. Grand Hyatt might be aiming for such publicity.

Hopefully they really care so much about height!

I don’t think they’re trying hard for a specific height. I think whatever the height is will be just a number that fits where it fits. The building can still be tailored to fit individual tenants, so even beyond approval, the numbers can shift.

It’s interesting though, that they mentioned considering residential units, but it was too complicated. I wonder where that would have put the design.

[BXFrank]

I Can’t wait to see this building on the FDR driving north from work, already Vanderbilt looks enormous on the highway driving from Lower Manhattan. That whole Grand Central area will look phenomenal in a couple years I hope.

[Crawford]

Dang, imagine if they would have included residential floors too. That would have been crazy. Maybe a 2,000 ft. tower.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Dang, imagine if they would have included residential floors too. That would have been crazy. Maybe a 2,000 ft. tower.

Here's that exact quote:

TF Cornerstone at one point considered including residential use as part of the project, but McMillan said it got too complicated. Instead, he expects the building's setbacks, which will create different size floor plates throughout that part of the tower, will make the office space appealing to a variety of companies in a wide range of industries.

"We're trying to create a building that should satisfy the entire universe of the office market," he said.

No more than 20 % of the floor area is allowed to be residential space in these towers, so excluding the hotel, let's say 20% of 2 msf would give about 400,000 sf of residential space (leaving just 1.6 msf of office space, equal to One Vanderbilt).

[gttx]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Here's that exact quote:

No more than 20 % of the floor area is allowed to be residential space in these towers, so excluding the hotel, let's say 20% of 2 msf would give about 400,000 sf of residential space (leaving just 1.6 msf of office space, equal to One Vanderbilt).

The challenge, I'm sure, was dealing with the elevators, stairs, and, to a lesser degree, the lobby. It's a lot of extra space in the building dedicated to getting people up to the top or down in case of an emergency - through two other unrelated uses.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by gttx

The challenge, I'm sure, was dealing with the elevators, stairs, and, to a lesser degree, the lobby. It's a lot of extra space in the building dedicated to getting people up to the top or down in case of an emergency - through two other unrelated uses.

I agree. For that reason, I'm surprise that the hotel is at the top and not at the base. It must be a lot of work to have so many sinks, toilets, etc. 1,300' above the city.

[pianowizard]

^Many supertalls have done that though, for example:


Source: https://www.theb1m.com/video/the-worlds-highest-hotels

BTW the Hong Kong Ritz-Carlton is no longer the world's highest hotel.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by gttx

The challenge, I'm sure, was dealing with the elevators, stairs, and, to a lesser degree, the lobby. It's a lot of extra space in the building dedicated to getting people up to the top or down in case of an emergency - through two other unrelated uses.

I assumed it was more to do with the elevators, but probably also to do with space allocation. Hyatt was guaranteed a seat at the table ( they were the ones who controlled the site). Then there’s the matter of entrances to the building, with only two sides being an option, and the hotel and office lobbies straddling transit entrances. But ultimately, they’re jumping through a few hoops to get new office space built, which was the purpose of the midtown rezoning. That’s why residential space is limited. I don’t see them making a big argument for residential space at the site.

[NYguy]

More fun with CB5…


https://www.cb5.org/cb5m/calendar/2021-july/#transportation-environment

Monday, June 21st, 2021, at 6:00pm
Video Conference

-175 Park Ave, an application by Commodore Owners LLC for East Midtown Special Permits to facilitate a mixed-use office, retail and hotel development.

[NYguy]

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2021/06/17/d...-required-bike-parking-in-midtown-tower/

Developers Will No Longer Seek to Reduce Required Bike Parking in Midtown Tower

By Julianne Cuba
Jun 17, 2021

Now they’ve got the ride idea.

A development team that raised eyebrows because it wanted to reduce the number of required bike parking spots in its proposed massive Midtown skyscraper has come to its senses, revealing earlier this month that it will now provide the number of spaces mandated by law to keep up with the growing bike boom.

Developers RXR Realty and TF Cornerstone want to build an 83-story mixed-use tower above Grand Central Terminal at E. 42nd Street and Lexington Avenue — dubbed Project Commodore — that would include a 500-room hotel, and retail and office space. But the firm wanted to shrink the number of required bike parking spots reserved for commercial tenants of the tower from 286 to 103.

Six months later, however, the builders now say they realize the critical importance of providing adequate bike parking, especially at a commercial building that would sit on top of one of the busiest transit hubs in the city, and promise to include no less than the required number.

“Our original decision to reduce the number of bike parking spaces was based on the building’s interconnectedness with several modes of public transit and a survey of utilization in our other buildings. However, in considering the potential for long-term changes in commuting patterns, particularly given COVID-19, as well as community feedback, we will no longer be seeking City Planning approval to reduce the number of bike parking spaces,” said a spokesperson for the joint venture told Streetsblog.

A rep for the developers said the exact number of bike parking spaces has yet to be determined, but will follow the city’s zoning formula based on the final size of the building; and they are open to providing even more bike storage spaces, the rep said.

[dropdeaded209]

Originally Posted by pianowizard

^Many supertalls have done that though, for example:


Source: https://www.theb1m.com/video/the-worlds-highest-hotels

BTW the Hong Kong Ritz-Carlton is no longer the world's highest hotel.

lol I stayed in all those hotels in HK, SZ and GZ--I can recommend them all!

[Raysiri]

I found one thing all proposed/under construction NYC skyscrapers have in common:

The Night Renderings.

Buildings that don't include night renderings (or yet): 175 Park Avenue, Tower Fifth, 350 Park Avenue, 15 Penn, 41 - 47 W 57th, Macy's Tower, and 270 Park Avenue (Under Construction).