PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread

[Redddog]

It's clear to me now that the problem is really Kenney.

Krasner hasn't helped one bit and the level of gun violence is directed to him on a major level. Violence is not taken seriously enough and you've successfully sent the message that punishment is a distant reality if you are a violent criminal. But Kenney brought in Outlaw. And she is CLUELESS. You can stand up and talk about task forces and initiatives until you're blue in the face. Results are what matters and your results blow.


These animals that are shooting up the streets know now that they can do this with impunity. I read this weekend that someone in a non-profit organization dedicated to outreach in the poor neighborhoods said that the reason why violence has become so brazen is because the average age of the shooter has fallen to 16. That means there are many who are younger! He continued saying that they don't worry at all about being caught, have no regard for life at all and are more likely to shoot into crowds because their shooting skills aren't great. Terrific.

I understand that this is off topic but this Krasner thing has me enraged.
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Mod note: See that "animals"? Don't use that. This guy just got suspended because of that.

[PhilliesPhan]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

I’m living in Chicago right now. It’s just as bad here (actually worse) than Philly. I’ve also been in Baltimore recently.

Anyone who says Philadelphia is unsafe needs to take a train to the city about 70 miles south. Walk outside of the inner harbor. It’s like taking a train from Amsterdam to Fallujah.

I've done this as recently as 2017, and this is true for the most part. This isn't to say that Baltimore doesn't have great neighborhoods, but the bad ones are really bad. Even the area to the immediate north of the Inner Harbor feels unsafe, but certain areas are straight up bleak. I grew up in West Philly, so I'm not scared of dangerous neighborhoods; however, I've probably felt the most uncomfortable in West Baltimore.

As for crime in the city: it is definitely a problem that needs to be addressed, but some people blow what's happening out of proportion. Just as it did before this recent spike, most of the crime in the city takes place in the predictable spots--with some slight changes due to gentrification. I live in the southwestern corner of Francisville, and if I turn off the news, delete the Citizen app (which I did over a year ago), and generally don't go above Cecil B. Moore Ave west of Broad late at night, it's as if crime (aside from the occasional property crime) is rare.

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by Redddog

It's clear to me now that the problem is really Kenney.

Krasner hasn't helped one bit and the level of gun violence is directed to him on a major level. Violence is not taken seriously enough and you've successfully sent the message that punishment is a distant reality if you are a violent criminal. But Kenney brought in Outlaw. And she is CLUELESS. You can stand up and talk about task forces and initiatives until you're blue in the face. Results are what matters and your results blow.


These animals that are shooting up the streets know now that they can do this with impunity. I read this weekend that someone in a non-profit organization dedicated to outreach in the poor neighborhoods said that the reason why violence has become so brazen is because the average age of the shooter has fallen to 16. That means there are many who are younger! He continued saying that they don't worry at all about being caught, have no regard for life at all and are more likely to shoot into crowds because their shooting skills aren't great. Terrific.

I understand that this is off topic but this Krasner thing has me enraged.

Oh 100%. Krasner isn’t perfect but Kenney is definitely the bigger problem here. Outlaw is terrible as well.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

Oh 100%. Krasner isn’t perfect but Kenney is definitely the bigger problem here. Outlaw is terrible as well.

+1. Kenney doesn't care about a thing. He literally has no interest in this job and is clearly mailing it in.

I will reserve judgement on Outlaw but my initial take is that she too is no good.

At the end of the day, one man isn't going to reform generations of abuses and systemic problems in policing. IMO, Vega threw up too many red flags. He's clearly a scumbag.

We have to create a system where people aren't caught in a vicious cycle of crime because opportunity is otherwise limited because of low level offenses (that people with means generally get out of).

Council's job is to create an environment where those opportunities exist (they're failing).

Anyways.

The pandemic doesn't help. Nor does it help that police are likely demoralized, generally. And maybe even operating with a laissez faire attitude.

[skyhigh07]

There’s a lot of having your cake and eating it too going around. A lot of folks who probably voted for Krasner are also fed up with escalating “low level offenses” that are mounting such as the ATV/dirt bike situation. There’s been a big push to call on the city to do more about it. Unfortunately, the police are spread thin for obvious reasons and are having difficulty addressing concerns from residents in general. I’m for reforms involving lethal force, but everything else that is being pushed is frankly nuts.

On a side note, I live on Broad St. The noise from the dirt bikes makes living here almost unbearable. I’m planning on moving out as are many other residents in my building. If the issue continues unabated, I would expect to see considerable deinvestment.

[allovertown]

SO happy Krasner won. Big fan of his policies, but perhaps an even bigger fan of how much he enrages morons. Wasn't even close! If you don't like it, I guess fuck off to somewhere else.

The police are less than worthless at combating crime. The sooner people get that through their thick skulls, the better off we'll all be.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by allovertown

SO happy Krasner won. Big fan of his policies, but perhaps an even bigger fan of how much he enrages morons. Wasn't even close! If you don't like it, I guess fuck off to somewhere else.

The police are less than worthless at combating crime. The sooner people get that through their thick skulls, the better off we'll all be.

If you could do something about the atv/dirt bike situation on Broad St, I’d greatly appreciate it. Or I’d be more than happy to switch apartments with you until my lease ends. Maybe you’d enjoy living next to a motor cross park from 7pm-2am every night. It’s a “culture” after all

[Mark in Mount Airy]

I tend to agree with the majority pro-business development sentiment that gets posted on this board. The only reason I went to the polls voted yesterday was to re-elect Krasner. "Tough cookie" Lynn Abraham and her ilk who threw innocent people behind bars and jailed or put under probation some significant percentage of the city is not a better path and led directly to the need for Black Lives Matter. Even Carlos Vega, a disgraced former employee in the DA's office, tried to distance himself from the policies of the past in his unsuccessful election effort.

[Frontst17]

Originally Posted by allovertown

SO happy Krasner won. Big fan of his policies, but perhaps an even bigger fan of how much he enrages morons. Wasn't even close! If you don't like it, I guess fuck off to somewhere else.

The police are less than worthless at combating crime. The sooner people get that through their thick skulls, the better off we'll all be.

X1000... fuck off to somewhere else.

[skyhigh07]

I honestly hope everyone who supports Krasner is right for the sake of the city. I want to be proven wrong but if crime returns to 1980’s levels and the city begins to depopulate again, then there’s no reason for any of us to be on this forum any longer.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by Frontst17

X1000... fuck off to somewhere else.

Let’s help elevate the civility of the debate on here. This isn’t twitter.

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by allovertown

SO happy Krasner won. Big fan of his policies, but perhaps an even bigger fan of how much he enrages morons. Wasn't even close! If you don't like it, I guess fuck off to somewhere else.

The police are less than worthless at combating crime. The sooner people get that through their thick skulls, the better off we'll all be.

65% increase in illegal gun arrests (police). 45% reduction in illegal gun prosecutions (DA office). Seems to me that the blame people hold Krasner to is appropriate....from one of the thick skulled.

And you have to love the policies of every elected official or you need to fVck off? That sounds like someone with a thick skull.

[Mark in Mount Airy]

Originally Posted by skyhigh07

I honestly hope everyone who supports Krasner is right for the sake of the city. I want to be proven wrong but if crime returns to 1980’s levels and the city begins to depopulate again, then there’s no reason for any of us to be on this forum any longer.

The City depopulated in the 60s and 70s due to the economic collapse of the manufacturing sector and the resulting loss of jobs. It wasn't because everything was fine economically but the crime rate went sky high. In fact, the worst times of the City, arguably, coincided with Mayor Rizzo being in office, who famously compared himself to Atilla the Hun.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by Mark in Mount Airy

The City depopulated in the 60s and 70s due to the economic collapse of the manufacturing sector and the resulting loss of jobs. It wasn't because everything was fine economically but the crime rate went sky high. In fact, the worst times of the City, arguably, coincided with Mayor Rizzo being in office, who famously compared himself to Atilla the Hun.

The causes of deurbanization during the 60’s-90’s are debatable and numerable. Like most occurrences, it’s likely not attributed to any one thing. Although, rising crime during that period certainly didn’t help or attract people to come back. Urban deinvestment took place in large and small cities across the country; not every urban core was dependent on a robust manufacturing sector. However, I would agree that it was a major contributing factor.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by skyhigh07

I’m for reforms involving lethal force, but everything else that is being pushed is frankly nuts.

so everything else in the criminal justice system is just "fine"?

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by Redddog

65% increase in illegal gun arrests (police). 45% reduction in illegal gun prosecutions (DA office). Seems to me that the blame people hold Krasner to is appropriate....from one of the thick skulled.

And you have to love the policies of every elected official or you need to fVck off? That sounds like someone with a thick skull.

100% behind you on this one Redddog. But let’s try to keep the conversation civil so no one gets kicked off the forum.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

so everything else in the criminal justice system is just "fine"?

I just look at what has been proven to work. Your approach was tried in NYC in the 70’s/80’s. While I don’t agree with everything Giuliani did, he certainly changed the city around relatively quickly. Back then both sides supported him. I’d just really rather not have skyrocketing homicides and violent crime. Perhaps I’m way off base in that...

[Urbanthusiat]

With $1B East Market development nearing completion, National Real Estate turns sights to NoLibs

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

With $1B East Market development nearing completion, National Real Estate turns sights to NoLibs

Can someone pull some text?

[philly_account12]

“If we can do it right, we would like to link Old City and Northern Liberties,” said Dan Killinger, managing director at National. “It seems like an obvious gap.”

The company has started to assemble properties in that area, buying four properties on Second Street between Callowhill and Spring Garden streets. The parcels Killinger owns stretch from Willow to Noble streets and from Noble to Spring Garden.

Then some stuff about using the same principals they used in East Market in the new project and then the rest of the article is about what has been done in East Market.

Also just a heads up but if you cancel the loading of the articles on that site you can usually catch it after it has loaded the article but before it loads the subscription block.