951 Gladstone Ave | 115/136/145m | 34/38/40f | Proposed

[phil235]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That loop faces the back end of Canadian Bank Note Limited, so I don't see it ever becoming a pleasant place to walk or bike anyway. Pushing it further back as the lot gets narrower could be challenging. That location also provides access to all three towers.

As long as the Gladstone front and the first 100 meters of Loretta presents an active face, I'm happy.

I really doubt that CBN will be there forever, so I think that the design matters there. I wasn't thinking further back in the lot. I was thinking a reorientation so the building is closer to the street, with an entrance for cars that goes through the building and leads to a loop along the tracks.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by phil235

I really doubt that CBN will be there forever, so I think that the design matters there. I wasn't thinking further back in the lot. I was thinking a reorientation so the building is closer to the street, with an entrance for cars that goes through the building and leads to a loop along the tracks.

I expect CBN will be there for a while. They've been heavily concerned about noise levels from their facility possibly impacting Gladstone Village across the tracks (i.e. don't want to spend money on reducing noise levels for Gladstone Village). Not sure if they had commented on this proposal as well.

In any case, if they expressed concern over a 30 year development across the tracks, it indicates to me they plan on being around for a while.

That said, placing the loop on the track side is an interesting idea. I suspect though that they believe more people will access their building on bike or on foot from the future Trillium MUP on the west side of the tracks than from Loretta, so they may want to display their best face towards the tracks and Gladstone.

[Spoonsy]

Someone has strong feelings about this proposal



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[phil235]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I expect CBN will be there for a while. They've been heavily concerned about noise levels from their facility possibly impacting Gladstone Village across the tracks (i.e. don't want to spend money on reducing noise levels for Gladstone Village). Not sure if they had commented on this proposal as well.

In any case, if they expressed concern over a 30 year development across the tracks, it indicates to me they plan on being around for a while.

That said, placing the loop on the track side is an interesting idea. I suspect though that they believe more people will access their building on bike or on foot from the future Trillium MUP on the west side of the tracks than from Loretta, so they may want to display their best face towards the tracks and Gladstone.

You're probably right about the MUP, and Gladstone should definitely have the best side of the project. Though it seems to me that you can have both a good entrance from the MUP and the loop, as the cars wouldn't have to cross the MUP, nor would bikes have to cross the loop.

[GeoNerd]

Originally Posted by Spoonsy

Someone has strong feelings about this proposal



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A sentiment a lot of us feel right about now

[LeadingEdgeBoomer]

Originally Posted by GeoNerd

A sentiment a lot of us feel right about now

And yet if an election was held today , Watson would probably win again. I doubt that Bob Chiarelli would come even close. Who else is interested in running aginst Watson? Nobody with any gravitas has come forward and may not come forward before the next election.

If people really want to defeat Watson then they have to activley seek and put forward a viable candidate. Convince him/her to run. Sitting on your hands and hoping it will happen will not produce the desired result. Neither will defacing signs.

[J.OT13]

That's exactly it. In 2006, we had a credible candidate in Alex Munter, and O'Brien came out of nowhere with a maybe less than credible, but more "visionary" platform, both beating Chiarelli handily at the ballot.

The thing is, Watson doesn't have one super controversial policy. He's steady-as-she-goes and has the political experience to deal with Council and upper levels of Gov.

I don't agree with the way he controls Council by shutting-out urban councillors from FEDCO. I don't agree with all his policies. That said, I'm generally o.k. with the direction he's taken the City. A lot of us argue that he's suburban minded, but he could be far worse. Case-in-point: old man Bob.

Watson did complete Lansdowne, he built the Confed, which happens to serve some urban areas on its way to suburbia (while Chiarelli's plan served the suburbs, fields and industrial lands, with a possible tram stuck in Montreal Road traffic). He's building a new Central Library, helping with LeBreton. He supports revitalizing the Market. Density in the urban area and suburbs (sometimes). You might just get a Chevy instead of O'Brien's Cadillac.

Maybe a conversation for the City of Ottawa 2022 election thread.

[TheMatth69]

Glad this project is not dead. This is going to be one hell of a cluster with the Trinity Center neirby. I'm actually surprise about the interest of promoters to build around the Trillium Line.
It even seems like there's more density being built around Trillium Line stations then Confederation Line ones (951 Gladstone, SOHO Italia, SOHO Champagne, Envie, Trinity Centre, Nuovo, Claridge Icon,Civic Hospital just to name these).
It's up to the point where I'm starting to have concerns about the capacity of the line to absorb all that redevelopment.

[SL123]

Originally Posted by TheMatth69

Glad this project is not dead. This is going to be one hell of a cluster with the Trinity Center neirby. I'm actually surprise about the interest of promoters to build around the Trillium Line.
It even seems like there's more density being built around Trillium Line stations then Confederation Line ones (951 Gladstone, SOHO Italia, SOHO Champagne, Envie, Trinity Centre, Nuovo, Claridge Icon,Civic Hospital just to name these).
It's up to the point where I'm starting to have concerns about the capacity of the line to absorb all that redevelopment.

I had the same thought! its quite surprising because the trillium line is way more of a commuter train. With trains coming every 10minute its almost faster to just walk to Bayview from Gladstone and yet all these towers are being built around this commuter line.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by TheMatth69

Glad this project is not dead. This is going to be one hell of a cluster with the Trinity Center neirby. I'm actually surprise about the interest of promoters to build around the Trillium Line.
It even seems like there's more density being built around Trillium Line stations then Confederation Line ones (951 Gladstone, SOHO Italia, SOHO Champagne, Envie, Trinity Centre, Nuovo, Claridge Icon,Civic Hospital just to name these).
It's up to the point where I'm starting to have concerns about the capacity of the line to absorb all that redevelopment.

If you read the Transportation Impact Assessments for these developments and crunch the numbers - each large development (951 Gladstone, 450 Rochester, etc...) that are largely dependent on the Line 2 for rapid transit take up approximately 5% of Line 2's future capacity during peak hours. You start adding that up and I wouldn't be surprised if new residential developments just in the Bayview to Dow's Lake corridor eat-up 25%+ of Line 2's capacity in the near-term. Throw in the Hospital and development in Riverside South.... ya, I stand by my long-held believe that Line 2 will be overcapacity within 10 years of re-opening.

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by phil235

I really doubt that CBN will be there forever, so I think that the design matters there. I wasn't thinking further back in the lot. I was thinking a reorientation so the building is closer to the street, with an entrance for cars that goes through the building and leads to a loop along the tracks.

Let's hope they can continue to be there, it would be a shame if the inner city lost what little well paying low education middle class jobs it has left. (Aka manufacturing jobs)

As for is location, a loop on the other side of planters and landscaping is hardly high impact. As for the location of the buildings in relation, probably trying to avoid having a wall that goes the entire block.

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by SL123

I had the same thought! its quite surprising because the trillium line is way more of a commuter train. With trains coming every 10minute its almost faster to just walk to Bayview from Gladstone and yet all these towers are being built around this commuter line.

It's also important to remember that with the south extension(s) there are a lot more people going to be going the other way now. Carleton is probably the biggest driver of ridership so far but many will travel to South Keys, Airport, Moonies, and Walkley for work or pleasure. You are right, though, that Bayview is a very walkable distance from Gladstone.....maybe not in the depths of Winter though.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

If you read the Transportation Impact Assessments for these developments and crunch the numbers - each large development (951 Gladstone, 450 Rochester, etc...) that are largely dependent on the Line 2 for rapid transit take up approximately 5% of Line 2's future capacity during peak hours. You start adding that up and I wouldn't be surprised if new residential developments just in the Bayview to Dow's Lake corridor eat-up 25%+ of Line 2's capacity in the near-term. Throw in the Hospital and development in Riverside South.... ya, I stand by my long-held believe that Line 2 will be overcapacity within 10 years of re-opening.

I agree. I think Trillium Stage 2 is grossly underbuilt. The City focused on extending as much as possible more than it did on securing long-term capacity. I fear more long shut-downs, and by that time, bus replacements will no longer be adequate.

[originalmuffins]

Originally Posted by SL123

Looks identical to the previous concept! I'm just glad this project is still being considered after Trinity sold it.

I'm also glad it's being considered. Now that it isn't Trinity doing it, it would be nice to see this approved and breaking ground while 900 Albert is going up!

Really hope it has great street interaction beside the station so it can create some action in the immediate area.

[J.OT13]

Good project. More than just condos and rentals. Projected construction start in 18 months. I'm hoping to see a new design for the project by then. Getting kind of bored with Hobin's repetitive work.

CLV takes lead on three-tower plan for Corso Italia LRT site, proposes mix of condos, rentals

David Sali, OBJ
June 14, 2021

One of the city’s most prominent residential landlords has taken over the lead role in developing a prime plot of real estate near the Trillium LRT line, proposing a mix of condos and rental units in a three-tower project that would incorporate a prominent Hintonburg heritage site.

In updated documents recently filed with the city, CLV Group Developments says its plan for the property at 951 Gladstone Ave. and 145 Loretta Ave. N. includes about 850 residential suites, 177,000 square feet of office space and 17,000 square feet of retail space.

If the project wins council’s approval, the builders hope to begin construction in 2023.

The site is currently occupied by a retail strip mall, one-storey commercial and light-industrial buildings and the Standard Bread Building, which was built in 1924 that is now home to the Enriched Bread Artists collective.

The former bread factory was designated a heritage building last year and will be renovated and retained as studio space for artists under the proposal.

“This is a really important development for us,” CLV president Oz Drewniak told OBJ late last week. “It’s development that the city and community needs and are looking for. We’re very excited about it.”

Taller towers originally proposed

Originally spearheaded by Trinity Development Group in partnership with CLV and PBC Real Estate Advisors, the proposal was unveiled in late 2018 and called for three highrises of 41, 35 and 30 storeys next to the future Corso Italia LRT station, currently under construction.

In 2019, the proposed buildings were downsized to 35, 33 and 30 storeys. The project was then slated to include 745 residential units.

CLV purchased Trinity’s share of the project last year and is now the lead developer of the site. Drewniak said last week the firm is partnering with a “silent investor” that did not want to be publicly identified.

While the company is best-known for developing and managing rental properties, Drewniak says the firm is proposing a mix of rental and condo units for the three-tower Gladstone project. The firm has been involved in a few condo projects in the past, but Drewniak said the Hintonburg development, if approved, will likely be its biggest foray into the segment in Ottawa to date.

Drewniak said the ratio of rentals to condos will depend on market demand.

“It’s still pretty early,” he told OBJ, adding the units will likely include a range of studio, one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments. “The design is still evolving.”

The builder plans to restore the Standard Bread Building to as close to its original appearance as possible while completely remodelling the interior to modern standards. Once that work is done, CLV plans to rent the space back to artists at below-market rates.

“We feel that retaining that (as an artists’ space) and supporting that is going to make for a much better overall community,” Drewniak explained.

The Standard Bread Building would be connected to the 35-storey highrise, which would be anchored by a five-storey podium. The two tallest towers would feature ground-level retail and amenity space, with office space occupying the next four floors.

Drewniak said the retail component would likely include a locally owned cafe, adding the developers are still determining what type of office tenants they hope to target.

Underground parking

“With COVID, things are changing quickly,” he said. “It’s going to be more of a community office where people from around the neighbourhood will come.”

The plan also calls for rooftop and community amenity space as well as a pair of public parks and a multi-use pathway along the west side of the Trillium Line corridor. A two-storey underground parking garage would have space for 534 vehicles, with 14 surface parking spots proposed in the central courtyard.

The developers are seeking zoning amendments to allow for increased height limits and reduced setbacks. CLV is hoping to break ground on the project in the next 18 months, with the heritage restoration work to begin as soon as possible pending planning approvals. The two tallest towers would be built first, followed by the third tower in a later phase.

Although LRT ridership has plummeted during the pandemic, Drewniak said he’s confident that transit-oriented development will be an attractive investment in the post-COVID era.

“At the end of the day, LRT and mass transit is the way of the future,” he said. “There is light at the end of the tunnel, and when that happens, people will want to get back to a … normal life.”

https://obj.ca/article/real-estate/r...n-corso-italia

[originalmuffins]

Here's some additional renderings of what this will look like:







I still like this project and hope it starts soon. It still has decent proximity to 900 Albert, so hopefully it'll create an extension of a larger skyline when both areas develop further. You may need to zoom out to see the pics, sorry in advance lol.

[GeoNerd]

Originally Posted by originalmuffins

I think their scaling is off a bit. That is the biggest bus I've ever seen. Nice looking renders though. I hope this project gets built.

[J.OT13]

Open House. Presentation itself is between 5:25 to 36:00 followed by comments and questions.

• Video Link

[SL123]

Construction start would be March 2023 according to the presentation. Still a long way to go.

[Harley613]

I love how there is not a single 27 story building being built along the Trillum Line. This should distract the eye nicely from the Great Clump of Centretown.