Metro Vancouver Road Infrastructure Discussion

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Could be related to the TMX project. A segment of it goes right under the Brunette Interchange.

ok, makes sense. Also noticed a sign just the other day that said construction will be ongoing until 2023 at I think that intersection.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by Changing City

To 2.1 tonnes. You're right, we can lead by example. And we certainly can't criticise China or the US energy use if we don't address our own 16 tonne per capita emissions.

And as this isn't vaguely on topic, I'm sure the conversation should continue in a more appropriate thread.

Per capita emissions are also entirely what matters contextually.

The constant deflection in the states and conservatives is hilariously dumb. They now moan the China produces more emissions, but per capita they're still only down at about 50% of what the average North American emits. They need to reduce their emissions, but man we should be working much hard than them at it.

Alberta is up somewhere around 60 tonnes per capita. Just freaking crazy in my opinion.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

Alberta is up somewhere around 60 tonnes per capita. Just freaking crazy in my opinion.

Does BC's greenhouse gas numbers go up when they import energy from Alberta? Or does Alberta "eat" the pollution numbers to extract the energy and BC only gets emissions from when the end product gets combusted?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I think they are more anarchists rather than terrorists.
ie did they get permits to use the streets like others do (and not everyone would agree with other events closing streets, either)
But I don't think the majority of people would support their methods.

It sure would be interesting if somebody did some investigative journalism as to what these people actually did in terms of work. Or do they just subsist on benefits of some sort?

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

Per capita emissions are also entirely what matters contextually.

do they though? when we have such a low low population comparatively, its hard to say we actually have much impact whatsoever.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

do they though? when we have such a low low population comparatively, its hard to say we actually have much impact whatsoever.

Sure they do. Why wouldn't they?

You, as a person here in this Country pollute much more than most of the global populace.

That's in one the richest countries of the world, with one of the largest amounts of developable renewable energy (absolute and per capita) on the planet.

You don't think we should be in a leadership role to fix this because there's more people in other countries? We have a pollution problem, the money to fix it and an abundance of options.

Not much of one for morality arguements, are you?

[Migrant_Coconut]

If the average PRC polluted like the average Canadian, we'd be goners by now - of course we should be doing our part.

That said, reducing nine-tenths of 2% is still just 2%; reducing just under half of 25% would get us 12%.

[zahav]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

That stretch is built on boggy land that is continually sinking. If you walk along the street you'll see tilting fences and even houses.

It's my understanding that the sewer main that goes down the middle of the street is supported by pilings, but the rest of the street isn't and so over time the crown in the road gets more and more ridiculously exaggerated. The city comes along every decade or two and builds the sides of the roads up some more, and then over time they just settle back down again.

Very interesting, I didn't know that history! Makes more sense now, it's been so bad for as long as I can remember, and I could never firgure out why it's so bad without any imrovement. Now I know, it's a lost cause lol

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

That said, reducing nine-tenths of 2% is still just 2%; reducing just under half of 25% would get us 12%.

exactly, this is my point. i mean we shouldn't go out of our way to do things badly "just cuz". there is a reason i am aiming to build a passive house.

but what do you expect Canada and achieve with actual, real meaningful impact? basically nothing. unless there is buy-in from the real polluters, there is literally nothing Canada can do to actually improve the globe.

we simply do not pollute enough to have a meaningful impact.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

we simply do not pollute enough to have a meaningful impact.

I'd have a lot more respect if those words weren't often used as justification for not doing anything. They sound exactly like so many other lame excuses to rationalize poor behaviour.

I may not be able to make a very big dent in global problems, but I can still hold my head high for at least doing my small part in whatever ways I can.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

I'd have a lot more respect if those words weren't often used as justification for not doing anything. They sound exactly like so many other lame excuses to rationalize poor behaviour.

I may not be able to make a very big dent in global problems, but I can still hold my head high for at least doing my small part in whatever ways I can.

Do you extend that logic to speeding?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Be the change that you want to see... just make sure you're also ready to be the only one changing.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

exactly, this is my point. i mean we shouldn't go out of our way to do things badly "just cuz". there is a reason i am aiming to build a passive house.

but what do you expect Canada and achieve with actual, real meaningful impact? basically nothing. unless there is buy-in from the real polluters, there is literally nothing Canada can do to actually improve the globe.

we simply do not pollute enough to have a meaningful impact.

64 megatonnes of CO2 made in BC (last I checked) is still 64 megatonnes in the atmosphere that wouldn't be there otherwise.

Money invested by the developed nations can lead to much faster transitions to renewable tech by other parties who don't have the same resources.

Solar for instance was developed by the states long ago, largely commerically developed in europe (at the expensive end of things), then brought down to mass market prices in China.

There wouldn't be cheap, economically viable solar now if there wasn't a first mover in the US.

[Metro-One]

The argument that, (insert region here) is only so big so what we do doesn’t make a difference, is one of the worst arguments, but also measuring nations against each other has its own flaws as well (some countries supply raw materials used around the world, such as Canada, which increases CO2 output, while others have massive manufacturing sectors for products used around the world that also increases CO2 output, and some have neither which lowers their CO2 output on paper but their daily lives require the resources and products from the two prior nations.

Honestly best way to reduce is just through your own daily actions. Instead of two vacations a year that require a jet, do one, instead of eating so much that you big and fat, eat half as much (and be healthier), instead of eating meat everyday make it special again and only eat it 3 times a week, etc...

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Do you extend that logic to speeding?

I guess you're trying to make a joke but I seem to be too obtuse to figure out what it is...

[s211]

Originally Posted by whatnext

It sure would be interesting if somebody did some investigative journalism as to what these people actually did in terms of work. Or do they just subsist on benefits of some sort?

A former colleague once told me about a sibling had a career as a full-time paid protester. That colleague seemed quite proud about it.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by s211

A former colleague once told me about a sibling had a career as a full-time paid protester. That colleague seemed quite proud about it.

My brother's cousin's sister said Soros pays the protestors.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

My brother's cousin's sister said Soros pays the protestors.

Sure, but she's not reliable - she had the vaccination and was implanted with Bill Gates's microchip.

[Bdawe]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

exactly, this is my point. i mean we shouldn't go out of our way to do things badly "just cuz". there is a reason i am aiming to build a passive house.

but what do you expect Canada and achieve with actual, real meaningful impact? basically nothing. unless there is buy-in from the real polluters, there is literally nothing Canada can do to actually improve the globe.

we simply do not pollute enough to have a meaningful impact.

One of the things that people don't consider enough of is that everyone is going to have to decarbonize eventually. If you've moved first, you will be better prepared for that day, and you will have developed economic advantages that you can export to the rest of the world as they're catching up.

There's a reason why, for example, that passive house is probably having to pay a premium to import specialty triple-glazed windows from jurisdictions that moved first on building-efficiency. Imagine the future where the late movers have to pay *us* the premium to get their clean tech products from us and hire us for clean tech skills

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by Bdawe

One of the things that people don't consider enough of is that everyone is going to have to decarbonize eventually. If you've moved first, you will be better prepared for that day, and you will have developed economic advantages that you can export to the rest of the world as they're catching up.

There's a reason why, for example, that passive house is probably having to pay a premium to import specialty triple-glazed windows from jurisdictions that moved first on building-efficiency. Imagine the future where the late movers have to pay *us* the premium to get their clean tech products from us and hire us for clean tech skills

Yes, it requires having the vision to look down the road and see what's coming before others do. We're heavily dependent on oil and gas right now, and it is of course a major component of the Canadian economy. If we can find a way (and the will) to transform the oil and gas producers to cleaner methods, it would put us in a great position not only to show the rest of the world what can be done, but also for Canadian jobs to help others follow our lead. Unfortunately, it will take a lot of capital - both financial and political - to deal with the fact that it will be expensive and painful in the early stages.