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Old Posted Mar 12, 2021, 12:47 AM
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Yes. But you have to follow through on steps 2,3,4 and more. There is no follow through or accountability, ever.
My brother is a psychiatric nurse working on the street with the homeless population. But there's only funding for so much staff and some people just aren't in that place where they want to be helped unfortunately. It's not a black and white issue.

I do have to say one thing though that he is quite Conservative, and he meticulously explained to me why safe consumption sites work and why dry shelters (where you have to be sober to stay there) do not work. A lot of drug addictions have to do with mental health trauma and that has to be worked on first. Relapses will happen. We're human.

Anyway, I think we should stay on topic unless it pertains to the city. But this topic comes up once in awhile in the r/kelowna Subreddit if you want to discuss there.

There is a Canadian Mental Health Association clinic right on Leon Ave and BC Housing building or converting old motels into shelters and suites for homeless and low income. Unfortunately the NIMBYism is strong with the shelters, and a lot of complaints that they're mostly building everything downtown or in Rutland and not in the Mission, Glenmore, etc. areas.
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My friend and I were cruising around downtown today and saw the "It's your neighborhood" poster up on the fence surrounding this property. Did some digging around on the Kelowna developments page and found the website!

https://www.argusproperties.ca/buildings

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Old Posted Mar 12, 2021, 8:59 AM
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^ I remember seeing a low res version of the Manhattan building rendering, but I've never seen the website. Nice find. Thanks!
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So this is another project potentially going forward?

It’s mixed office and hotel?
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Hope this goes forward! Smaller hotel has been approved nearby as well, it would be great to see an expansion of hotel and office space along with the residential boom downtown.
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The Manhattan Project

I believe that proposal is dead in the water. Those signs have been up for a few years. If I remember, Argus and CoK couldn't agree on a few issues that would make the developer upgrade neighbouring roadways and such. But that is in the past. I can see this move foward if Tolko starts to release lands to the north.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2021, 3:52 PM
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yeah its dead. i remember i was in the area in January 2017 and saw the sign of Manhattan project and as Nray said that sign is waaaaay older than that.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2021, 9:51 PM
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Do other cities crack down though? It seems to me all major cities have a homeless problem. Difference with Vancouver is it’s a coastal city with a mild temp so it’s going to have more homeless there than some place freezing in the winter.
Many cities do crack down. All the nice cities around the world do that.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2021, 10:03 PM
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I believe that proposal is dead in the water. Those signs have been up for a few years. If I remember, Argus and CoK couldn't agree on a few issues that would make the developer upgrade neighbouring roadways and such. But that is in the past. I can see this move foward if Tolko starts to release lands to the north.
That's too bad, it looked good and slightly different from the other proposals in the area. A little bit more substantial with its materials. Hopefully it comes back with a similar mix of uses.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2021, 11:09 PM
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With City of Kelowna doubling down on urban developments, maybe it'll come back. But no one knows for sure what the commercial real estate landscape will look like post COVID-19.
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East Kelowna, above Harvest Golf Club allows for a great angle of catching the majority of the City High rises, including the mid town Landmark District, in one shot.

Nice cluster of towers!

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Great vantage point. That Water street building gives a nice peak, that the skyline needed.
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Looks like not this summer but next will be when I finally make my next return to BC and Kelowna, will need to go to all these spots with my telephoto lens and get some high quality shots! By then a few more towers should have been added to the skyline as well!
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People, especially Vancouverities, are grossly underestimating how off-putting the City has become. Not on in one regard, but for a whole ensemble of reasons.

I expect this trend to continue, and I actually think its amazing for BC.

This is what's needed. Younger, mobile, educated, risk taking populations moving into less dense centers and spreading some of that love throughout the province.

This means better food in small town BC, more incomes being spent in small town BC, more business opening in small town BC.

Its a very positive trend - we need some decentralization.
I grew up in Kelowna and now live in east Vancouver. Look, Kelowna is a shithole, it's boring, nothing on offer there and the cost of housing isn't even affordable. How the lot of you worship a redneck shithole resort town while exaggerating Vancouver's flaws I'll never truly understand.

You cannot pay me enough to consider living in that far right podunk provincial town ever again.

When I can't afford Vancouver anymore, Montreal is plan B. It isn't about the size of the city either, Kelowna has a dark underbelly that lot of you seem to forget about or not know about. Crime in kelowna per capita is worse than Greater Vancouver, inequality is just as bad, housing insecurity rampant.
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2021, 10:48 PM
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I grew up in Kelowna and now live in east Vancouver. Look, Kelowna is a shithole, it's boring, nothing on offer there and the cost of housing isn't even affordable. How the lot of you worship a redneck shithole resort town while exaggerating Vancouver's flaws I'll never truly understand.

You cannot pay me enough to consider living in that far right podunk provincial town ever again.

When I can't afford Vancouver anymore, Montreal is plan B. It isn't about the size of the city either, Kelowna has a dark underbelly that lot of you seem to forget about or not know about. Crime in kelowna per capita is worse than Greater Vancouver, inequality is just as bad, housing insecurity rampant.
Far right I'll give you with the rampant anti mask rallies, as well as the crime rate. But what exactly isn't on offer in Kelowna?

I was happy as heck to get away from 3 hour a day commutes and just not getting ahead. We were able to get ahead in Kelowna and I was able to spend more time with my family.
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Far right I'll give you with the rampant anti mask rallies, as well as the crime rate. But what exactly isn't on offer in Kelowna?

I was happy as heck to get away from 3 hour a day commutes and just not getting ahead. We were able to get ahead in Kelowna and I was able to spend more time with my family.
There have been several anti-mask rallies in the left leaning Nelson as well, unfortunately that shit seems everywhere.

Also while I agree that Kelowna definitely leans right, calling it far right to me just shows how skewed / divided / out of touch people have become. Quite sad actually to see. Seems to me people have forgotten what far right actually is.

Can totally get how Kelowna can not be one’s cup of tea, but just as I called out those starting to get hyperbolic against Vancouver, I will do the same for those doing so the other way around as well.
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Kelowna is right wing for BC, but for perspective it isn't THAT right compared to other parts of the West. It's less right than big cities on the prairies, let alone smaller cities east of the rockies. Kelowna's core riding voted Liberal in 2015, both Vernon and the South Okanagan are represented by the NDP provincially. It has a lot of retirees, but with the constant expansion of UBCO and the influx of coastal expats, expect it to continue drifting more centrist. Kind of opposite of Kamloops which was quite split, but is consistently moving more right.

Kelowna seems to be evolving quickly, so as someone who also grew up in the Valley, it never appealed to me to go back. But the dramatic changes happening there every year are impressive. I think it's at a point of rapid maturation, where views of the City from 2000 or even 2010 are somewhat outdated now, and will be very outdated in 5 or 10 years.
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Kelowna is right wing for BC, but for perspective it isn't THAT right compared to other parts of the West. It's less right than big cities on the prairies, let alone smaller cities east of the rockies. Kelowna's core riding voted Liberal in 2015, both Vernon and the South Okanagan are represented by the NDP provincially. It has a lot of retirees, but with the constant expansion of UBCO and the influx of coastal expats, expect it to continue drifting more centrist. Kind of opposite of Kamloops which was quite split, but is consistently moving more right.

Kelowna seems to be evolving quickly, so as someone who also grew up in the Valley, it never appealed to me to go back. But the dramatic changes happening there every year are impressive. I think it's at a point of rapid maturation, where views of the City from 2000 or even 2010 are somewhat outdated now, and will be very outdated in 5 or 10 years.
I agree with your comments. With influence from UBCO, I expect that Kelowna will be less right inclining. Kind of how Arizona was flipped into a blue state for Biden last year. Kind of crazy.
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Kelowna is right wing for BC, but for perspective it isn't THAT right compared to other parts of the West. It's less right than big cities on the prairies, let alone smaller cities east of the rockies. Kelowna's core riding voted Liberal in 2015, both Vernon and the South Okanagan are represented by the NDP provincially. It has a lot of retirees, but with the constant expansion of UBCO and the influx of coastal expats, expect it to continue drifting more centrist. Kind of opposite of Kamloops which was quite split, but is consistently moving more right.

Kelowna seems to be evolving quickly, so as someone who also grew up in the Valley, it never appealed to me to go back. But the dramatic changes happening there every year are impressive. I think it's at a point of rapid maturation, where views of the City from 2000 or even 2010 are somewhat outdated now, and will be very outdated in 5 or 10 years.
I completely agree. I have seen a massive change in Kelowna over the past 30 years (I’m dating myself). I used to come to Kelowna with friends in the early 90’s and yes, Kelowna was small, right wing, downtown was a strip, and it had not grown up. However, after leaving Nelson (after 17 years) and moving to the area in 2012, this is no longer the case. Downtown and the 4 other core areas are and will continue to undergo a major transformation, which is obviously occurring downtown now.

But the point I want to make is about the overall change in population. This is rapidly changing with influx from larger urban centres, retirement, etc. Everyone on this forum knows this, as Kelowna has been in the top group of fastest growing metro areas in Canada for the last 20 years.

However, the corporate start-up scene is really taking off here, with the addition of talent brought in by UBCO, and the incubator support from UBCO Star-West and Accelerate Okanagan, and a multitude of other supports. These companies are hiring new people and talent and bringing them in from all over Canada.

I co-founded and own an AI software company here in Kelowna, and have a close partnership with UBCO, as we are a research level enterprise (real IT not games). We invent, patent and commercialize new technology. We are well connected in this space, and the tech and IT scene in Kelowna is rapidly maturing. It’s still small with 7,500 to 8,000 people employed, but growing quickly. This is the demographic that is changing in the population of Kelowna (25 - 45yrs). In addition, remote workers are moving here from other jurisdictions employed elsewhere. We’ll probably start to see changing trends in the age group noted, in stats-can data over the next couple of census counts. We are hiring from Toronto (U of T), Vancouver, Calgary, Halifax, etc.

Kelowna has been a great place to recruit people, as we have had no issues attracting them here, however recently, this is becoming an issue with housing costs. All of our senior staff moved here from elsewhere in Canada and are setting roots and buying homes. Providing housing costs don’t get too out-of-hand, I foresee this trend continuing, especially now heading towards an end of pandemic restrictions and a new attitude to remote work and a rapid evolution of what we call “priority office attendance”.

For example: our neighbourhood here in Coldstream has had an influx of families moving here over the last 6 months, mainly from Vancouver and the prairies - all falling within that 25 - 45yr age bracket, working remotely. It will be very interesting to see how things play out in the next 5 - 10 years.
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I grew up in Kelowna and now live in east Vancouver. Look, Kelowna is a shithole, it's boring, nothing on offer there and the cost of housing isn't even affordable. How the lot of you worship a redneck shithole resort town while exaggerating Vancouver's flaws I'll never truly understand.

You cannot pay me enough to consider living in that far right podunk provincial town ever again.

When I can't afford Vancouver anymore, Montreal is plan B. It isn't about the size of the city either, Kelowna has a dark underbelly that lot of you seem to forget about or not know about. Crime in kelowna per capita is worse than Greater Vancouver, inequality is just as bad, housing insecurity rampant.
With the exception of an exponentially better food scene due to the physical size of the city, what does Kelowna not offer that Vancouver does?

Kelowna has;

- More affordable housing options (though definitely not cheap, welcome to BC in general though)
- Big White, Sun Peaks, Silverstar at your fingertips
- Beautiful lakes, and OK lake - essentially a sea for one to enjoy any kind of water sport on
- Hikes, bike trails, snowshoe trails aplenty
- Miles and miles of outdoors and logging roads for camping, 4x4, dirt biking, etc.
- Close to US border
- New Hospital facilities
- The city it self is younger and smaller - in perfect time for growth to capitalize on new urban design and get it right

Where I would agree - comparing Kelowna to Vancouver 15 years ago.

Kelowna had little and Vancouver was mid stream of one of the best periods in the cities history.

Today? I see the reverse happening, and more so will be a part of the reverse happening.

All my capital, knowledge and experience is leaving Vancouver and moving to the OK. I'm one singular example. But you can add my partner, and my business partner too.

That's 3 of us. Out of thousands that will continue this trend.

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