Edmonton Construction 13 (November 2015) - Page 822

GreenSPACE · #**16421** Posted **Feb 12, 2021, 8:10 PM**

DC1 pre-application notice from Stantec for Horne & Pitfield Building (10301 104 Street) by Limak Investments. Residential tower 160m with FAR of 16.

craner · #**16422** Posted **Feb 12, 2021, 8:39 PM**

Nice height 160m for a resi tower

adam-machiavelli · #**16423** Posted **Feb 12, 2021, 9:51 PM**

I am still very skeptical of this private gondola. From what I've heard, the private, luxury gondola developer hasn't shown his financing plan to the City and has no evidence he even has any funding whatsoever.

Hardhatdan · #**16424** Posted **Feb 12, 2021, 10:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by adam-machiavelli

I am still very skeptical of this private gondola. From what I've heard, the private, luxury gondola developer hasn't shown his financing plan to the City and has no evidence he even has any funding whatsoever.

I see you added that word 'luxury' in there.

Can you define what you mean by that?

DAVEinEDMONTON · #**16425** Posted **Feb 13, 2021, 1:09 AM**

Just dropped into the TD bank branch at 149th and Stony Plain Road. It's closing in July and moving to the 156th street branch. Closing as part of the redevelopment of Jasper Gates to add the residential towers...and so it begins...

Black Star · #**16426** Posted **Feb 13, 2021, 4:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by GreenSPACE

DC1 pre-application notice from Stantec for Horne & Pitfield Building (10301 104 Street) by Limak Investments. Residential tower 160m with FAR of 16.

Pardon. Never heard a word of this before. Any renderings?

Coldrsx · #**16427** Posted **Feb 13, 2021, 3:15 PM**

Nothing yet I don't think.

I hope that the current building is incorporated, but my guess is removal and up...

CMD UW · #**16428** Posted **Feb 13, 2021, 3:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Nothing yet I don't think.

I hope that the current building is incorporated, but my guess is removal and up...

Given that it's a DC1, it's not unreasonable to assume the building is being incorporated and designated? Although with Kamil behind this one I have my doubts.

Coldrsx · #**16429** Posted **Feb 13, 2021, 4:32 PM**

Unless things have changed, he told me that it would not be... but those were early days.

s211 · #**16430** Posted **Feb 13, 2021, 4:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by DKaz

They're considerring gondolas for Burnaby Mountain/SFU in Metro Vancouver because of bus delays on average 10 days a year when it snows, plus they have to run standard buses instead of articulated buses because the bendy buses frequently jack knife up the hill (why is it not a problem in Edmonton?).

Because Edmontonians have figured out how to drive in snow. In Vancouver, they go full apocalyptic every time a dusting of snow falls.

Oborro · #**16431** Posted **Feb 14, 2021, 1:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by DKaz

They're considerring gondolas for Burnaby Mountain/SFU in Metro Vancouver because of bus delays on average 10 days a year when it snows, plus they have to run standard buses instead of articulated buses because the bendy buses frequently jack knife up the hill (why is it not a problem in Edmonton?).

Because Gagalrdi up Burnaby mountain to SFU is significantly steeper, longer, and curvier than anything in Edmonton?

buildings · #**16432** Posted **Feb 15, 2021, 10:10 PM**

I see that a crew is back on site of the Vermillion Condos at 116st/106ave. That site has been quiet for almost a year now if I recall correctly.

DKaz · #**16433** Posted **Feb 16, 2021, 6:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oborro

Because Gagalrdi up Burnaby mountain to SFU is significantly steeper, longer, and curvier than anything in Edmonton?

Bellamy Hill Road where Route 9 with the articulated buses has a grade of 8.2% on average compared to Gaglardi Way at 7.6% average.

GreenSPACE · #**16434** Posted **Feb 16, 2021, 6:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by CMD UW

Given that it's a DC1, it's not unreasonable to assume the building is being incorporated and designated? Although with Kamil behind this one I have my doubts.

EDIT: Re-reading the letter, the applicant only intends to keep the west facade.

Given MacKenzie Tower land is for sale and didn't go ahead, I have my doubts on this one.

GreenSPACE · #**16435** Posted **Feb 16, 2021, 6:49 PM**

Harrison · #**16436** Posted **Feb 16, 2021, 6:59 PM**

We will see The Clancey go forward first before anything happens from Limak with the Horne & Pitfield, imo.

Harrison · #**16437** Posted **Feb 16, 2021, 7:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by adam-machiavelli

I am still very skeptical of this private gondola. From what I've heard, the private, luxury gondola developer hasn't shown his financing plan to the City and has no evidence he even has any funding whatsoever.

If they actually have no funding, then worst case Council says 'yes' to allowing them to move forward with lease agreements, site prep, etc., but since they have no funding, none of that happens.

There really isn't any negative implications to the City by saying yes to the Gondola group, as they aren't providing any cash.

Slide · #**16438** Posted **Feb 16, 2021, 7:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreenSPACE

Given MacKenzie Tower land is for sale and didn't go ahead, I have my doubts on this one.

Good.
At best a mediocre residential tower would be built with a lazy facade podium. At worst, the building will be demo'd and nothing built at all.
Both terrible outcomes.

I dont know what the inside of this existing building looks like, or how much of the existing interior is salvageable, but doing your best to retain some of these old spaces is important in creating interesting retail and workspaces; especially in Edmonton where there is already such a dearth of them.

Of course someone will chime in with the reality that this building is more financially valuable as rubble than standing.

GreenSPACE · #**16439** Posted **Feb 16, 2021, 7:24 PM**

^I tend to agree with this. The building structurally I'm assuming is fine. Could you do an interesting loft/retail or office conversion with tower on the parking lot. Absolutely. Not sure if the numbers make sense but a more creative developer/owner would certainly explore this.

I can't see this being a more desirable location than MacKenzie Tower, which land is now for sale, even given proximity to Ice District.

Coldrsx · #**16440** Posted **Feb 16, 2021, 7:54 PM**

'Retention of the west facade'

https://twitter.com/DECLorg/status/1361753210801688579