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So this is now the thread where you just drop random articles in order to make specific groups look nasty?

Sure, I can do that.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1754650/services-francais-sault-sainte-marie-jordan-justice

🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 assault victim in Northern Ontario sees her aggressor go free because court system can't find interpreter to hear her testimony in French.
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I'll try my best to make sure you guys don't miss a thing!

https://l-express.ca/difficile-detre-noir-et-francophone-a-toronto/

"Police are prejudiced against francophones. They think a francophone will use the excuse that they speak French in order to win a case to get an offence overturned, by claiming they didn't understand the cop."

"Didier says that a cop once insinuated that he'd claim to not have understood him when wrongly charging him with a traffic offence."

"As a visible minority, the police have given me futile tickets or absurd warnings, such as when snow partially covered up my licence plate. I was warned that if it happened again, I'd get a ticket."
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I really hate it when the francophone media calls Toronto "la Ville Reine." (Queen City)

Nobody in Ontario including Franco-Ontarians call it that.
     
     
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It's arguably more tasteless than racist.

Note he's actually saying that neither he nor the fans care about the ethnicity of the players, just as long as the team wins.
Without knowing much about the guy it looks at first glance like a tasteless line rather than some aggressively racist remark. That kind of comment probably wouldn't have raised an eyebrow in 1982 but now seems very behind the times for someone with a job as prominent as a newspaper columnist. It makes him look out of touch.
     
     
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ROCers behaving badly. (Keeping with the recent spirit of the thread!)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c...ports-of-racism-toward-members-1.5905965

"Chief Joe Alphonse, tribal chairman of the Tŝilhqot'in Nation, says while some members have experienced goodwill and positive gestures, others are reporting they were denied services in nearby Williams Lake because they are from the Tŝilhqot'in Nation.

"It's outrageous and unacceptable that our people are experiencing racism as a result of a global pandemic," Alphonse said in a media release.

The release did not give specific details of the racist acts, but said people are commenting in online forums and on social media about Indigenous people being responsible for bringing COVID-19 to the area."
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https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/doone-street


"Two days are especially vivid in Felix Ndayitwayeko's memories of Fredericton.

The first is the day he arrived, excited and hopeful about a new life after years in a refugee camp.

The second is the day he was chased outside his home by men with bats.

The Burundi-born Ndayitwayeko was pulling up to his home on Fredericton’s north side when he looked at his rearview mirror and saw masked men chasing his car.

He had been visiting his sister, and it was almost midnight on a weeknight when he parked on Wilson Row, a cul-de-sac off Doone Street.

It was as if they’d been waiting for him. As he got out of his car, two white men threw rocks, eggs and sticks at him while spitting racist slurs.

“They started calling me the N-word, like, ‘We’re going to kill you, we’re going to send you back to your country,’” said Ndayitwayeko."
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Racism in Canada? How dare you! Thats only something that happens in the US, Australia and UK, not here!
     
     
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Racism in Canada? How dare you! Thats only something that happens in the US, Australia and UK, not here!
*Except in Quebec.

We're Canada's asterisk!
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Saint John : Ticket reversed after parking commissionaire tells business owner 'come back when you learn English'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/saint-john-arab-business-owner-racism-1.5886942
     
     
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Without knowing much about the guy it looks at first glance like a tasteless line rather than some aggressively racist remark. That kind of comment probably wouldn't have raised an eyebrow in 1982 but now seems very behind the times for someone with a job as prominent as a newspaper columnist. It makes him look out of touch.
I think New World Anglosphere culture has lost touch with the (factual, not unreasonable) notion of ethnostate to the point that some of you guys' definition of racism is now completely warped. To me, it's not abnormal to have "our" sports team.

Out of curiosity, what would you think of the following statement; reasonable or not?

"Should Poland ever win the World Cup, most Poles are of the opinion that it would be nice if there were at least some Polish players on that winning team, rather than if it simply were a team composed 100% of extremely highly-paid soccer superstar foreigners who have never set foot in Poland in their lives, don't speak any Polish, and are just wearing the white and red jerseys for the money. The former would be a source of national pride to some degree; the latter, not so much."

To me, that's not racist. To some Anglo-Canadians, it definitely is. In a nutshell, the issue here is that they don't understand that Poland isn't a cultural and ethnic blank state; to them, the Brazilian soccer star who gets paid a gazillion dollars to start to play for Poland is just as Polish as anyone.
     
     
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I think New World Anglosphere culture has lost touch with the (factual, not unreasonable) notion of ethnostate to the point that some of you guys' definition of racism is now completely warped. To me, it's not abnormal to have "our" sports team.

Out of curiosity, what would you think of the following statement; reasonable or not?

"Should Poland ever win the World Cup, most Poles are of the opinion that it would be nice if there were at least some Polish players on that winning team, rather than if it simply were a team composed 100% of extremely highly-paid soccer superstar foreigners who have never set foot in Poland in their lives, don't speak any Polish, and are just wearing the white and red jerseys for the money. The former would be a source of national pride to some degree; the latter, not so much."

To me, that's not racist. To some Anglo-Canadians, it definitely is. In a nutshell, the issue here is that they don't understand that Poland isn't a cultural and ethnic blank state; to them, the Brazilian soccer star who gets paid a gazillion dollars to start to play for Poland is just as Polish as anyone.
The column is talking about a NHL team, though... there is a bit of a difference between a national team and a club team. As a Jets fan my goal is to see the team win the cup. I do not care at all where the players come from... even though quite a few pro hockey players have come out of Manitoba, only a few have played for the Jets. If having 20 players from Fujian means we get to have a Stanley Cup parade, then let's have at 'er.

But that said, there is a way to convey the sentiment without resorting to the crass "20 Fang Wong" reference. You managed to do it in your example... why can't the professional journalist pull it off? It adds nothing to his point. Like I said, it just makes him sound out of touch.
     
     
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But that said, there is a way to convey the sentiment without resorting to the crass "20 Fang Wong" reference..
What I wanna know is who is this Chinese hockey player named Fang Wong? I've heard his name so often in the past 24 hours, that he sounds like someone I'd want on my team!
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I really hate it when the francophone media calls Toronto "la Ville Reine." (Queen City)

Nobody in Ontario including Franco-Ontarians call it that.
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What I wanna know is who is this Chinese hockey player named Fang Wong? I've heard his name so often in the past 24 hours, that he sounds like someone I'd want on my team!
Is he related to Captain Sum Ting Wong, who was involved in another media outrage a number of years ago?
     
     
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*Except in Quebec.

We're Canada's asterisk!
Oh yeah those darn Quebecois and their damn secularism! So racist, how dare they!>
     
     
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The column is talking about a NHL team, though... there is a bit of a difference between a national team and a club team. As a Jets fan my goal is to see the team win the cup. I do not care at all where the players come from... even though quite a few pro hockey players have come out of Manitoba, only a few have played for the Jets. If having 20 players from Fujian means we get to have a Stanley Cup parade, then let's have at 'er.

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I was going to mention there is a nuance between a professional club team and a national team for international competitions.

But there is an additional nuance when it comes to the Habs in that the club is kinda like FC Barcelona is for Catalans. The history of the club is basically interwoven with the history of Quebec and indeed of French-speaking Canadians, from the early days when the Maroons where the English team and the Canadiens were the French team, to the Richard riots, to the Hockey Sweater by Roch Carrier, to the Flying Frenchmen image, to innumerable TV series and movies.

That's why there are still decent numbers of Habs fans in small francophone communities on the Prairies, and that until a decade or so ago (maybe a bit more), Radio-Canada still broadcasted every single Habs on the radio from coast to coast.

When you go to Camp Nou in Barcelona, the colours in the seats spell out a giant MAS QUE UN CLUB. That's kinda how the Habs feel for a lot of us.

But contrary to how Barça (for whatever reasons, and I know the situation is different) appears to have nurtured its position as a bastion of Catalan pride (generally putting its money where its mouth is), the Habs have been, well, hit and miss over the years.

This isn't new by the way. There have always been rumblings that the Habs weren't in tune with their Québécois francophone history enough. I could give tons of examples even from the 1980s, and part of the reason the Nords were as popular as they were well beyond the Quebec City area was because of that: the Nords were unabashedly Québécois and francophone as an organization. Even if they had many non-francophone players and stars. But one often got or gets the impression that the Habs are operating in Toronto but with a bilingual PR department and a huge francophone media wolfpack.

I think that's a bit unfair but the perception is there.

Still (realizing again that European soccer is different for all sorts of reasons) but FC Barcelona AFAIK still requires its players to sign its contracts in Catalan, and at last check they had about a half dozen Catalan players out of 20 on their regular squad.
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I was going to mention there is a nuance between a professional club team and a national team for international competitions.

But there is an additional nuance when it comes to the Habs in that the club is kinda like FC Barcelona is for Catalans. The history of the club is basically interwoven with the history of Quebec and indeed of French-speaking Canadians, from the early days when the Maroons where the English team and the Canadiens were the French team, to the Richard riots, to the Hockey Sweater by Roch Carrier, to the Flying Frenchmen image, to innumerable TV series and movies.
I thought this might come up, but you know the days of the Flying Frenchmen are long gone when you have only two players from Quebec on your active roster.
     
     
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I thought this might come up, but you know the days of the Flying Frenchmen are long gone when you have only two players from Quebec on your active roster.
I know. That's exactly the point I am making!

But that doesn't mean the history is going away.
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I know. That's exactly the point I am making!

But that doesn't mean the history is going away.
The traditional perception is not really in line with the current reality. It feels like you'd have to go back to the early 90s to find a time when the Canadiens still felt like a predominantly Francophone team, at least as far as the players are concerned.

Bringing it back to Tremblay, his column implies that the "old way" is the ideal state of affairs when the reality is that the Habs' new normal is a team made up almost exclusively of non-Quebecers.
     
     
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I was going to mention there is a nuance between a professional club team and a national team for international competitions.
Of course, and my point was that the Canadiens are functionally somewhat the former, so the fans' attitude should be judged accordingly. Hockey is the national sport of Quebec and that's as close to our national team as it gets.
     
     
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