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Old Posted Feb 3, 2021, 10:30 PM
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Are you saying a mayor doesn't have to sign off on this? Or are you saying that the mayor will just sign off on whatever the Landmarks and City Planning decisions are?

It was my understanding that a mayor has to sign off on this, no?

Any mayor can object to whatever is proposed after approval is given, but would likely be overuled by the council. The specific matter the city has here involves the messy lease with the state and the Grand Hyatt, which runs to around 2077. But the reason Bloomberg withdrew the midtown east rezoning when he was in office was because he couldn’t get the support to push it through. De Blasio promised to get it passed, and he did with enough tweeks to get it passed. It is now zoning law.
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The base reminds me of a Victorian woman parting her petticoats.

We all know the hotel is gonna be in a porn film or two. I'm still saving for that suite.
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Old Posted Feb 3, 2021, 10:37 PM
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The base reminds me of a Victorian woman parting her petticoats.

We all know the hotel is gonna be in a porn film or two. I'm still saving for that suite.

I notice there are 4 terrace levels, and hopefully the Hyatt will have access to that top level. But I’m sure it will have it’s own amenity spaces as well. It should be spectacular.




https://www.archpaper.com/2021/02/som-reveal-83-story-tower-175-park-avenue-grand-hyatt/

SOM reveals 83-story tower to replace Trump’s Grand Central Hyatt in Midtown Manhattan



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Skidmore Owings & Merrill (SOM) has shared new renderings of the colossal tower that will replace the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Midtown Manhattan. Encompassing 2.2 million square feet of mixed-use space including a new 500-room Hyatt property, the 83-story skyscraper located adjacent to—and above—Grand Central Terminal will reach 1,646 feet into the sky and, when completed, rank as one of the tallest buildings—if not the tallest building—in the city. RXR Realty and TF Cornerstone are the project developers with Beyer Blinder Belle and Field Operations joining SOM on the design end as architectural and historical consultant and landscape architect, respectively.

The Commercial Observer was the first to share the latest details on the multi-billion-dollar 175 Park Avenue development that, per a project fact sheet shared by SOM, will breathe new life into “one of the most complex and underutilized sites in New York City” that has “brimmed for decades with untapped potential.”
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The Grand Hyatt, described by the project team as being “an opaque, overbearing building that reduces sidewalk space and offers little visual and physical connectivity to Grand Central and the surrounding landmarks,” will be completely demolished, albeit carefully as to not disrupt the flurry of transit activity below it, to make way for SOM’s cloud-brushing new tower.

Hulking size aside, the design of 175 Park Avenue, with its facade of high-performance transparent glass and a lattice of “elegant structural columns,” attempts to play nicely with—and reflect—its stately historic neighbors including Grand Central Terminal and the Chrysler Building. As detailed by the project team, “the tower’s stone-clad core complements the Terminal’s materiality, creating an interplay of solids and voids that reflect Grand Central Terminal’s iconic design to create visual harmony and cohesion between the two structures” while the “structural lattice also splits into a pattern that aligns with and responds to key features of Grand Central Terminal, such as the cornice line and the statue of Mercury.” Wrapping the tower in its entirety, the structural latticework will conclude at the peak of the tower in a “rounded crown of luminous, interlaced steel.”
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Rounding out the 175 Park Avenue project team is WSP USA Buildings (structural engineer), Stantec (engineering and advisor for transit improvements), Langan (geotech engineering), Jaros, Baum & Bolles (mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and fire protection engineer), and Heintges (building envelope and facade consultant).

The developers anticipate that the construction phase of the project, including indirect and induced effects, will generate an estimated 24,700 construction jobs, $1.8 billion in earnings, and an annual output of $3.8 billion towards New York City’s economy. Per the Commercial Observer, demolition work on the Grand Hyatt could kick off as soon as 2022 with the completion of the new tower wrapping up as soon as 2030.
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The base is similar to the base of the old SOM proposal for the Transbay Tower in San Francisco.

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The base is similar to the base of the old SOM proposal for the Transbay Tower in San Francisco.

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Yes. Reminds me some of the unbuilt Russia Tower as well.



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Not even gonna lie, I love this one, It's probably my favorite of all the proposals so far.
The original hotel before Trump got ahold of it could have been said to have historical merit, but not any more. This is going to be gorgeous!
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What does the construction timeline look like?
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^Like a long line with progress points at certain dates.
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Oh, that Russia Tower.
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Beyond amazing. This is the tower the site deserves.

I really like the feathering of the louvers between the intertwining columns at the base and the crown.
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What does the construction timeline look like?
Demo in 2022, completion in 2030.

The demo being the present Hyatt. Hopefully it can get approval by the end of the year, so demo could begin in 2022.
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This parcel sits 196 ft above sea level (Depending on the corner, 200', but let's say 196 ft).

From a distance, at sea level, we are looking at a tower that has a perceived magnitude of 1,842'.

This is more than Central Park Tower, with its elevation of 197' for a total of 1,747'.

1 WTC, actually sits 1m or 3 ft above sea level, so when you factor in 1,792' to the tip, plus AMSL... 1796'.

So 175 Park will be the tower that has a profound skyline impact, and the tallest all round as perceived up close (due to its bulk) but also a far. Unlike the slender, this one has the fat factor.

THIS IS ALSO WHY the ESB looks much taller from afar and has retained such a dominance until its brothers and sisters came by. Because the elevation... the topography of Manhattan, acts like a sort of added bonus for height/bulk. Reason why the skyline is so imposing, especially from a distance. This is going to look (175 Park), amazing from portions of Queens closer to a 0' AMSL.
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This parcel sits 196 ft above sea level (Depending on the corner, 200', but let's say 196 ft).

Elevation around that part of Manhattan is about 40 ft, it doesn't really start getting that height until you get way uptown.




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What does the construction timeline look like?
They're going to do what they did over at 270 Park, and begin work below ground as demo goes on. That could be next year or the year after. I really don't think the hotel will be reopeing at all.
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Demo in 2022, completion in 2030.

The demo being the present Hyatt. Hopefully it can get approval by the end of the year, so demo could begin in 2022.
Hard to even get excited about something that won't be done for 10 years goddamn
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Why 10 years?

That seems too long.
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Well if you look at the first proposal post in the One Vanderbilt thread, it's from 2012, and it only just opened a few months ago. So this is pretty normal.
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I was wondering the same thing too... I built my New York City 2025 in Tinkercad and it has so many skyscrapers that are proposed and I thought this building suppose to finish by around 2025 or 2027. Oh and by the way, if you want to see my NYC 2025, click this link: https://www.tinkercad.com/things/gbxRlvCZ2nq
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Top cool. Middle meh. Bottom holy sheeet.

Oh and my friends sister has one of those in her draw.
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Top cool. Middle meh. Bottom holy sheeet.

Oh and my friends sister has one of those in her draw.
A 1,600 foot tower in her dresser drawer? Wow
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Hard to even get excited about something that won't be done for 10 years goddamn
The tower itself will take 4 years to build. Demolition will take a year and a half. A lot of the timing is determined by when it will start, but everything should be completed by 2030, 9 years down the line. They have a lot of transit improvements to build in that timeframe also, but all should be done.

Demo may even begin next year, moving everything up a year.







But I’m even excited to see the base of this tower built. It will be spectacular, and like 270 Park, a tower that will stand out in early stages of rising. That’s a treat for us.


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” Wrapping the tower in its entirety, the structural latticework will conclude at the peak of the tower in a “rounded crown of luminous, interlaced steel.”

Can’t wait to see this.
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