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What about building a skyline over the trench from Tunney's to Kitchi Sibi?

As an open trench, it's lost space.
I would like to see the trench covered, but as linear park. We often hear about how the the downtown and urban west are is running out of space for parks, which is an essential amenity in areas where the population is growing at a rapid pace. The City could deck the trench over 20 years for a fairly reasonable cost. I wouldn't oppose selling some air-rights in certain spots (for example for Domicile's 335 Roosevelt if they are interested, or build a few buildings fronting Scott at Tunney's).
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Open House for this piece of garbage has been posted:

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I haven't taken the time to watch it yet.
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I think this is the worst project going on in this city right now and it would be a blight on the neighbourhood and the city. I'm going to be so mad if they build this as planned.
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such garbage.
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I got around to watching the open house and I'm even more irritated than I was before.

The building approved two years ago was appropriate for the site. The architecture was unique, providing a modern flair that contrasted well with the area’s older stock. The tower provided the step-down from the high-density TOD at Bayview towards the traditional main street. The green roof was an extra delight that is sorely lacking in Ottawa. Changes were made to satisfy the community and the City.

Today, this new developer has consolidated the entire block and throwing away the work previously done to propose this eyesore, more than twice the height of the previous proposal and nearly four times the allowed height of the original zoning. Lahey had the audacity to justify the extra height on the cost of consolidating the block. Developers overpaying for properties is not the City or the community’s problem. Quite frankly, I find it insulting. Such irresponsible behaviour is partially to blame for the housing affordability crisis.

The only redeeming feature of this proposal is that they are consideration making a few townhouses facing Armstrong family oriented, affordable units.

I will be emailing Mr. Leiper and, once the project is assigned, the City to express my displeasure.
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I got around to watching the open house and I'm even more irritated than I was before.

The building approved two years ago was appropriate for the site. The architecture was unique, providing a modern flair that contrasted well with the area’s older stock. The tower provided the step-down from the high-density TOD at Bayview towards the traditional main street. The green roof was an extra delight that is sorely lacking in Ottawa. Changes were made to satisfy the community and the City.

Today, this new developer has consolidated the entire block and throwing away the work previously done to propose this eyesore, more than twice the height of the previous proposal and nearly four times the allowed height of the original zoning. Lahey had the audacity to justify the extra height on the cost of consolidating the block. Developers overpaying for properties is not the City or the community’s problem. Quite frankly, I find it insulting. Such irresponsible behaviour is partially to blame for the housing affordability crisis.

The only redeeming feature of this proposal is that they are consideration making a few townhouses facing Armstrong family oriented, affordable units.

I will be emailing Mr. Leiper and, once the project is assigned, the City to express my displeasure.
When I heard that bit being re-emphasized I was a bit pissed. He claims they wanted to close off Wellington in front; so, in order to do that they purchased the other properties so they had the whole block. But apparently those properties were so expensive for the developer that in order to recoup the cost they felt they had to make it this highrise. Part of making that bit of the street a plaza had to do with providing the businesses in front some outdoor patio space.

Of course, never mind that Wellington at this section could have been closed even if they had only a portion of the block, and as you said, it's the developer's problem it cost so much.

I'm frustrated that developers and architects don't seem to get what TOD is all about. As shown in the presentation, they think it's just building "high density" near transit stations. Higher density is one element to help pay for transit, the more important part is that parking is reduced/ not included because people would be using transit instead of cars and walk/ biking around to businesses. If you provide so much parking, you defeat the purpose - people will just choose to drive instead because they have their car. Not only does this increase traffic, it means fewer people will even be using transit, therefore giving less funds. This project has 50% parking spaces to units. 283 units to something like 142 parking spots. That's a lot! If their justification for height is proximity to transit aka TOD, then they contradict themselves and should be rejected.

I also emphasize the choice of materials is terrible! It seems lately all the projects RLA propose are using the same bad materials. 1960 Scott, Westgate redevelopment, Best Western, this project all have the grey brick and white IMP (or composite architectural panel). Visit 1960 Scott if you want to see what all these buildings will look like.

Also, only 9 of the 283 units are low income, which are supposed to be the rear units along Armstrong. There doesn't seem to be too much of a differentiation of these units from the rest of the podium to make it seem like the houses belong with the rest of the area.
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I also emphasize the choice of materials is terrible! It seems lately all the projects RLA propose are using the same bad materials. 1960 Scott, Westgate redevelopment, Best Western, this project all have the grey brick and white IMP (or composite architectural panel). Visit 1960 Scott if you want to see what all these buildings will look like.
I agree with everything you said but this is the part I can't agree with more. RLA has the laziest architecture I have ever seen from a successful firm. It's becoming a bad joke at this point. I squint my eyes and cringe back as I click the first link about a new project in Ottawa nowadays, and half the time it's for very good reason because they are literally getting half the business in this city's medium to high density apartment and condo market. Their buildings remind me very much of invasive weeds like Purple Loosetrife that all look the same, replicate fast, take over their environment, and add nothing of value to the ecosystem. A single plant of Purple Loosestrife looks fine, it's almost pretty, but after 10 straight kilometers of ditches clogged with the damned things you get real sick of them. Their buildings are all cut from the exact same cloth. It's depressing.
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Plans have been posted to devapps

They somehow managed to make the tower even worse than it was before. It's as if the architects take no pride at all in their work and strive to make each new project less inspiring than the last.

The courtyard and pedestrian walkthrough is a nice addition, but it doesn't make up for the laughably lazy architecture.
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Absolutely horrific...and even worse it's a bit of a gateway project. I don't like a SINGLE thing about this one.
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Having heard from people in the industry, RLA actually don't care about doing quality, lasting work but instead do stuff for short-term profits of their clients. If you cared about architecture or the design of your building, you would not choose them for important projects.

For this, if they removed the tower and use reddish orange brick it'd be a decent looking building. I don't know why anyone would think grey is a good colour for a building.
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The building looks very flat to me. The set backs aren't significant enough to give the building character and the colour scheme is uninspiring. There's nothing distinguishing it from any other generic apartment building in Ottawa or elsewhere.

This is a funky neighbourhood with great independent shops and restaurants, it has a very blue collar history with lot's of industrial lands nearby. This building could easily have referenced any of those things in it's basis of design.
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The revised development proposal calls is a 23 storey mixed-use purpose-built residential rental building with a six-storey podium and 17-storey tower. Ground-floor commercial uses will front onto Wellington Street West, with residential units located in the upper floors, and street townhouses along the site’s Armstrong Street frontage. A total of 304 residential units are proposed with a unit mix as follows:
  • 9 three-bedroom street townhouses
  • 15 two-bedroom + den
  • 60 two-bedroom
  • 165 one-bedroom + den
  • 46 one-bedroom
  • 9 studio

Armstrong House, a designated heritage resource located on the north side of Armstrong Street across from the subject site, is highlighted and framed by the design of the proposed development, which includes a mid-block connection between Wellington Street West and Armstrong Street.

Vehicular access is to be provided to the site via Hilda Street with a total of 143 resident spaces and 29 visitor spaces provided in two levels of underground parking. The development may also include the closure of Wellington Street West to vehicles along the south side of the subject site, which will present future opportunities for an improved pedestrian realm around Somerset Square.

The ground floor of the building will be comprised of retail units fronting onto Wellington Street West with two-storey street townhouses fronting onto Armstrong Street and wrapping around Garland Street. The units fronting onto Armstrong Street will be setback from the street, providing private front yards and at-grade amenity space in keeping with the residential character of the street. The internal courtyard will also provide secondary access to the retail units and will function as the primary entrance to the residential lobby. Residents will also have direct access to a secure bicycle storage room within the courtyard.

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September: "Don't worry, this isn't the final design. Just a rough massing."
December: "Here's the final design. We added the "X" crossbeams from the well loved previous proposal!"

Honest opinion, the ground floor is improved. The podium is slightly improved, partially due to the "X" beams. Overall though, this is still a terrible proposal. Oversized and uninspiring to say the least.
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961-965 & 967 Wellington Street West were purchased as part of an assembly by ML Wellington Realty Investments Inc. (Magil Laurentian) from named individuals for $3,000,000 or $575 per square foot. It is zoned Arterial Mainstreet.

http://www.juteaujohnsoncomba.com/newsletters/2020/October-2020-Newsletter-August-Sales.pdf
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HINTONBURG COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION OPPOSES PROPOSED 23-STORY DEVELOPMENT
Posted on: January 28, 2021
By: HCA

Where is the proposed development?

A developer has purchased all of the properties in the block just north of Somerset Square, bounded by Wellington, Garland, Armstrong and Hilda. This includes the former sites of the law offices, auto repair shop, Suzy-Q Donuts and the residential buildings along the dead-end stretch of Wellington above Somerset Square and all the residential buildings on Armstrong.

What is proposed?

The proposed development would be a 6-storey podium converting essentially all of the block and with a 23-storey tower on the half of the block closest to Hilda. It would be mixed residential and commercial, with commercial at the lower level and residential above. You can find the proposal on the City’s web site here:https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/search?s=activeOnly&t=wellington&a=all&w=all&i=0&b=0,0,0,0

What is currently allowed?

This site has mixed zoning. The portion fronting on Wellington and Somerset Square is zoned “traditional main street” and allows 6 storeys except at the corner of Garland, where 9 storeys are permitted as a “gateway” location. The properties along Armstrong allow up to 4 storeys.

Development in this area is governed by two recent “Community Design Plans” (CDPs). The traditional main street portion is part of the Wellington West CDP, while the part along Armstrong is part of the Scott Street CDP. A great deal of work by the community went into ensuring that these plans reflected what the majority of the people living here wanted. The heights that are permitted are the result of those planning studies.

Why is the HCA opposing this?

The 23-storey tower is a high-rise building, since by definition in Ottawa high-rise starts at 10 storeys. The general policy is that Traditional Main Streets like Wellington West and Somerset are mid-rise or lower. In particular, the Wellington West CDP set our main street’s heigh at no more than 6 storeys except for a few specific “gateway” sites where up to 9 storeys is permitted. This is all mid-rise.

The first reason the HCA is opposing this is that is out of scale with the neighbourhood.

The second reason is that it would be a terrible precedent, allowing high-rise development on our main street which should be mid-rise at highest.

Another key issue is the tower encroaching on the Armstrong lots. This is a bit technical, but the Scott Street CDP defined a “Neighbourhood Line” inside of which only low-rise development (up to 3- or 4-storey apartment buildings) is allowed. It says that the line can’t be crossed even if lots are consolidated together. All of the Armstrong properties are inside this Neighbourhood Line. If it is allowed to be breached here, then the precedent is set to ignore it everywhere.

The third reason the HCA is opposing this development is that it would set the precedent through our whole community that the low-rise areas can be changed to mid- or high-rise if developers buy up and consolidate properties.

What will the HCA do?

The HCA usually meets with developers and tries to influence their proposals for the better. Often this works, and we end up not opposing. Sometimes, this does not work, and we submit comments on development proposals and appears at planning committee of City Council. Rarely do we take it any further. However, in this case, we believe the precedents this would set and the disruptive effect it would have on the character of the main street are too large to allow.

Therefore, in this case, the HCA will be fundraising to mount a legal challenge against this proposal if it is recommended for approval by the City. We are in the process of retaining a lawyer. We have considerable funds already and will use our ability to actively fundraise to augment these.

Where we are right now is that we are waiting to hear from the City Planning Department whether they will recommend approval of this development or not. That recommendation will go to Planning Committee of City Council. If the Planning Department recommends approval, we will actively lobby Planning Committee to turn it down. If they don’t, we will then file an appeal and begin fundraising to cover some of the costs.

Stay tuned to find out what happens.

Contact us for more information or if you want to get involved:

[email protected]
http://hintonburg.com/hintonburg-community-association-opposes-proposed-23-story-development/
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My guess is this is either passed through everything and the case thrown out of LPAT or the developer pulls the application until after the new official plan is passed and re-submits as is to the new plan.

The site is within 400 metres of Bayview and as for the CDP they are old enough to be before the last official plan change.

Also not surprising that the CA is opposing, just another example for the nimbyism so inherent to CA.
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Could my Christmas Wish come true? I had never wanted a high rise project in this city to fail more than this one until the new project that was just proposed on Robinson Ave came along, but don't worry, I'll wish that one away next Christmas.
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Could my Christmas Wish come true? I had never wanted a high rise project in this city to fail more than this one until the new project that was just proposed on Robinson Ave came along, but don't worry, I'll wish that one away next Christmas.
I'm with you on this one. This one, Robinson, and the Carling Travelodge. They need new architects who can make better designs that aren't so depressing or gargantuan (like Robinson).
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My guess is this is either passed through everything and the case thrown out of LPAT or the developer pulls the application until after the new official plan is passed and re-submits as is to the new plan.

The site is within 400 metres of Bayview and as for the CDP they are old enough to be before the last official plan change.

Also not surprising that the CA is opposing, just another example for the nimbyism so inherent to CA.
Agree, just another example of nimbyism coming from the HCA. If you look at the shadow mockups, it does not over arch any significant area. There argument is wellington should be have mid-rise or lower heights, but this is not on the main drag of wellington. And saying it is "out of scale" with the neighborhood is like saying a colored family moving into a predominantly non-colored area is "out of scale" for the community. Stupid excuse from the HCA.


The city should selling airspace like the do in NYC - If the CA is so adamant against this, have them pay for the surrounding airspace so this will not get built.

CA's are quick to object but once it comes out of there pocket, they will tend to reconsider.
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CA's are quick to object but once it comes out of there pocket, they will tend to reconsider.
Well, yeah. A community association is essentially volunteers, competing against extremely well-funded developers.

I'm on the CA side for this one, unless the developer could bring some actual "wow" factor to their box.
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