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Old Posted Sep 16, 2021, 6:09 PM
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Wonder if Ritz might switch from 80 Red to this tower? Same number of stories and nearly as tall.
The Ritz-Carlton is still planned for 80 Red River.
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The Ritz-Carlton is still planned for 80 Red River.
Good to hear. Since M2 Development Partners has scrubbed it from their website I thought it had fallen through.
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2021, 6:33 PM
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Some of the other projects from the architect look pretty similar to the illustrations here and could give us an idea of what this will look like.

https://www.pappageorgehaymes.com/projects/











Handsome towers but pretty conservative.
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2021, 7:26 PM
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I don't get the complaining on some of these proposals. They're building taller finally and yes, some designs are a bit conservative, but that's a start!! Austin's growth and construction is insane and we are beginning to act spoiled LOL
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Spoiled is an understatement. We are getting a `800 foot building on a quarter block that will replace lightly used one and two story buildings.

The new building will have ground level retail with patio space.

The density will be great for street life and the tax base.

The design is not just a box/rectangle...there is an overhang, cut in, ton of balconies, and other several design features to break up any boxiness.

We will just have to wait to see if it's value engineered and what quality of materials are used.
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Spoiled is an understatement. We are getting a `800 foot building on a quarter block that will replace lightly used one and two story buildings.

The new building will have ground level retail with patio space.

The density will be great for street life and the tax base.

The design is not just a box/rectangle...there is an overhang, cut in, ton of balconies, and other several design features to break up any boxiness.

We will just have to wait to see if it's value engineered and what quality of materials are used.
IMHO, putting quality materials on a mess of a massing and expecting a decent final result is like putting lipstick on a pig and expecting her to be screwable after.
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2021, 8:47 PM
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IMHO, putting quality materials on a mess of a massing and expecting a decent final result is like putting lipstick on a pig and expecting her to be screwable after.
Is that how you honestly feel about the Austin skyline though? Austin may not have spectacular buildings like you see in some of the larger cities but compared to all the cities of its size, the skyline is looking exceptional.

This tower in particular looks pretty solid, especially if it turns out to anything near to those towers from those photos, like the one's in Chicago, in particular the tall one with that crown. I remember seeing that tower when I was in Chicago a few years ago when I went out there to pedicab. I gave a ride to some folks in that direction where those towers were and I remember being drawn to it while on the ride. If Austin gets anything reminiscent to that, it's going to add more diversity to the skyline. It's not a loss by any means.
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2021, 11:15 PM
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Spoiled is an understatement. We are getting a `800 foot building on a quarter block that will replace lightly used one and two story buildings.

The new building will have ground level retail with patio space.

The density will be great for street life and the tax base.

The design is not just a box/rectangle...there is an overhang, cut in, ton of balconies, and other several design features to break up any boxiness.

We will just have to wait to see if it's value engineered and what quality of materials are used.
Agreed. Well said. The more towers and urban homes they build downtown the less inflated the market will be in the metro. And tax base increase like you said. It's a win-win for everyone!
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Kind of amazing but One Museum Park (the Chicago tower) is '726 tall. If this goes forward as advertised, it'll best OneMP by '60 feet.

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I like the height, density, and dimensions.

But my MO is that I’m all about improvements and this is a huge upgrade from what’s there now. I feel like people become too attached to the idea of every building being proposed being some architectural masterpiece that they completely miss the point of the infill to begin with.

Name one city in the world where every high rise it has is an architectural masterpiece and I’ll sell you oceanfront property in Colorado. Is it São Paulo? Hong Kong? Tokyo? London? Mexico City? Shanghai? Dubai? Buenos Aires? Moscow? Berlin? Melbourne? Toronto? Even in NYC and Chicago, most of the buildings are pretty nondescript and blah with a few architectural gems thrown in the mix every now and then.

I like this building. I like the crown. It’ll look like a nice sibling to the Austonian.
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I like this one. Some of our tallest proposals have been either meh or bland or using bizarre designs that feel sort of hodge podge, but this one looks good to me. I like the balconies, the texture of the facade, the vertical lines, the crown/top, and the color. Austin could use a few more green towers. This will also be pretty slender when viewed from the east and west elevations.

At the moment, other than 6 X Guadalupe and The Republic, this is my next favorite of the new talls.

That garage, though.
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i wouldn't say "extremely" but we don't have a lot of dirt before you hit limestone. less than most places around the country. this is somewhat mitigated downtown though i think. the metro at large though it is expensive to dig
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i wouldn't say "extremely" but we don't have a lot of dirt before you hit limestone. less than most places around the country. this is somewhat mitigated downtown though i think. the metro at large though it is expensive to dig
Not stopping the developer on East Cesar Chavez St. where yesterday drove by a huge hole in the ground.
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And don't forget the cost to ventilate, the cost of the equipment and operation. That's why we see parking podiums with screened in coverings, 3rd and Shoal, Indy, to name a couple.
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And don't forget the cost to ventilate, the cost of the equipment and operation. That's why we see parking podiums with screened in coverings, 3rd and Shoal, Indy, to name a couple.
Yep - unless there is a requirement to dig or not provide parking the economic incentive is to put a parking podium on the building. Its also why we are punching outside our weight-class on height so its a double edges sword for sure.
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Let's hope it's actually transformative, rather than another value-engineered glass box.
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Here's the website, no renderings yet:

https://extraordinaryrising.com/

It seems like "Extraordinary" might be the name.
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Old Posted Dec 31, 2021, 11:38 PM
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I just noticed that the new sales center was the same one they used for 44 East.
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Here's the website, no renderings yet:

https://extraordinaryrising.com/

It seems like "Extraordinary" might be the name.
Allow me to offer this potential counterpoint...Intracorp refers to its developments as "extraordinary." There is a realitively decent chance this will end up having a unique name - not "Extraordinary."
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