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Old Posted Dec 11, 2020, 6:48 PM
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Why the hell were the infrastructure ministers there? Why the hell wasn't the heritage minister there???
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2020, 9:18 PM
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Good question, but I'd wager the infrastructure ministers attended because the pots of money that paid for this are under their jurisdiction.
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2020, 3:20 AM
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It's about funding to renovate the Griffin House in Ancaster. I don't think anybody was expecting that. I'd hardly call that an infrastructure announcement, but now I know why the MP for the West End, Dundas, & Ancaster is there.
Hey, I love Griffin House. Been there many times. But that's pretty funny.
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2020, 6:19 AM
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I actually went to Griffin House by mistake while trying to take a friend to the hermitage a month ago. It's a neat piece of history.
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2020, 2:51 AM
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Notice of Commencement of Transit Project Assessment Process
Stage 2 ION: LRT from Kitchener to Cambridge

The Project
The Region of Waterloo is proposing to extend the ION LRT system an additional 18 km from
Fairway station in Kitchener to Downtown Cambridge with eight new stations, creating a
continuous LRT service across the Region’s three urban centres. Regional Council endorsed
the Preferred Route (see map below) in June 2019 and the preliminary design in April 2020.

https://icreate7.esolutionsgroup.ca/1111...=website&utm_source=ehq&utm_medium=email

And we can't even get a shovel in the ground!
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Notice of Commencement of Transit Project Assessment Process
Stage 2 ION: LRT from Kitchener to Cambridge

The Project
The Region of Waterloo is proposing to extend the ION LRT system an additional 18 km from
Fairway station in Kitchener to Downtown Cambridge with eight new stations, creating a
continuous LRT service across the Region’s three urban centres. Regional Council endorsed
the Preferred Route (see map below) in June 2019 and the preliminary design in April 2020.

https://icreate7.esolutionsgroup.ca/1111...=website&utm_source=ehq&utm_medium=email

And we can't even get a shovel in the ground!
I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if hundreds of jobs, companies, and investment, simply left the thought of Hamilton being where they go, and went to Waterloo Region.
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2020, 3:21 PM
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I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if hundreds of jobs, companies, and investment, simply left the thought of Hamilton being where they go, and went to Waterloo Region.
Uuugh it's the sort of thing that makes you want to scream at a politician, isn't it?
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2020, 4:23 PM
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Uuugh it's the sort of thing that makes you want to scream at a politician, isn't it?
Especially Hamilton ones!!!!!!
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2020, 6:39 PM
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Especially Hamilton ones!!!!!!
Man, the amount of the amount of reasons I have to scream at the entire council... It's all from the past year or so too.

Particularly about the Aviary.
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Hey, good for KW. At this point it's likely a fairly straightforward proposal and a ratification by government is quite likely bc they've got proof of concept (or whatever you want to call it). They've done it before. It works. Etc...

Hamilton, on the other hand, has proof of what exactly?
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Hey, good for KW. At this point it's likely a fairly straightforward proposal and a ratification by government is quite likely bc they've got proof of concept (or whatever you want to call it). They've done it before. It works. Etc...

Hamilton, on the other hand, has proof of what exactly?
That it's a funeral director that can't plan a funeral for shit.
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2020, 1:10 PM
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Hey, good for KW. At this point it's likely a fairly straightforward proposal and a ratification by government is quite likely bc they've got proof of concept (or whatever you want to call it). They've done it before. It works. Etc...

Hamilton, on the other hand, has proof of what exactly?
Proof of concept? This isn't brand new technology.

It should be about whether the cost to serve the travel demand is justified based on the expected benefits of improvement to the transportation network.

But unfortunately what it often tends to be about is politics, and there's no getting away from that.
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Could Hamilton afford half a LRT? A two-phase project option is on the table, says LIUNA

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https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-re...t-option-is-on-the-table-says-liuna.html

Construction union LIUNA says it is talking to the province about building a Hamilton LRT in two phases — west and east of the downtown — even as the government prepares to release a review of rapid transit alternatives for the city.

Ontario’s Tory government controversially cancelled a long-planned city light rail transit line in the middle of construction bidding in 2019, citing a ballooning $5.5-billion budget. But just months after the project died, a provincial task force recommended spending $1 billion to build either LRT or bus rapid transit on the same corridor.

A technical review of those options will go to provincial Transportation Minister Caroline Mulroney “in the coming days” and be released to the public “very soon,” said spokesperson Natasha Tremblay this week.

Amid that review, LIUNA submitted an unsolicited proposal to the province that suggested teaming up with the federal government and private sector to resurrect LRT at a shared cost of around $3.5 billion.

That proposal spurred ongoing talks about a potential “tripartite funding agreement” between Ontario, the federal government and LIUNA’s pension arm, vice-president Joe Mancinelli told The Spectator this week.

No level of government has committed to the pitch, he acknowledged, but described discussions as “promising.”

Those discussions have included a possible budget-stretching option of building the planned 14-kilometre, 17-stop transit line in two separate phases along the Main-King corridor: a western leg from McMaster University to downtown, followed by an extension to Eastgate Square mall.

LRT boosters like LIUNA and Hamilton’s chamber of commerce have argued LRT is a “shovel-ready” project tailor-made to aid the city’s post-pandemic economic recovery via billions of dollars in spending and thousands of jobs.

But Mancinelli said LRT fans also have to acknowledge all levels of government are struggling with COVID deficits. “From a financial point of view, it is a lot easier to have your funds allocated to Phase 1, and then get Phase 2 going,” he said. “It might also speed up the process ... to get shovels in the ground.”

Mancinelli said the form and amount of private cash from LIUNA’s pension arm would have to be negotiated and allow for a long-term return on investment. “We can’t do it for nothing,” he said.

Last year’s study by LIUNA partner Fengate Capital suggested up to $250 million in private construction cash could be raised in return for land development opportunities along the light rail line or a stake in the fare box. The study assumed shared federal and provincial funding, but no capital contribution from city taxpayers.

But what if the provincial review — or Hamilton’s council — suggests switching gears to bus rapid transit instead?

Around half of city councillors polled by The Spectator last year suggested they either opposed LRT, had funding concerns or wanted to hear more about BRT, which involves express buses running in dedicated lanes.

Mayor Fred Eisenberger said he was not aware of discussions around a possible phased approach to LRT construction, but added he supports LIUNA’s efforts to get light rail back on track.

He stressed council needs to see the results of the provincial review of rapid transit options “sooner rather than later” to maximize the benefits of a post-pandemic project like LRT. “There’s no new information from my end on where this project is going, or whether it’s going at all.”

Project opponent Coun. Chad Collins argued LRT is “dead” unless Ontario restores the full, multibillion-dollar funding commitment originally made by the provincial Liberals, which budgeted $3.7 billion before losing the 2018 election. The Tory government has capped its contribution at $1 billion.

“Whether it’s a full line or half-a-line, we’re still faced with the question of who is paying for the maintenance, life-cycle and operating costs. We (the city) can’t,” said Collins.

Mancinelli said he has spoken directly to Premier Doug Ford, Mulroney and federal Liberal Infrastructure Minister Catherine McKenna about the LRT pitch within the last month or two.

Publicly, the province has offered mixed signals on light rail. In August, Ford warned Hamilton would have to “tax the pants off” residents to pay for LRT as originally envisioned.

A month later, he acknowledged LIUNA’s proposal, appealed for federal funding and appeared to open the door to building a LRT line piecemeal. “Even if we move it, a little bit, get half, get two-thirds, get anything going, we can add onto it,” he said at a press conference.

In December, Ford hailed an auditor-general’s report that supported the $5.5 billion cost estimate the Tories used to justify cancelling LRT. But at the same time, he vowed “one way or another, we’re going to get the LRT built.”

A spokesperson for McKenna reiterated federal support for LRT via email. “We would welcome the province submitting a business case for review.”
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Just build the f@#ing thing already... such complete utter incompetence!

I want to know who exactly the blame falls on here? Because all the other cities either have their LRT approved, built or are now under construction or expansion and then you have us who can't seem to get anything started for DECADES!!!!
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13 agonizing years of a complacent and unimaginative council, dithering about without vision and a plan for the future, content to live on an easy workload with a more than cushy salary, while opportunity lands in their lap, and they let it go by! what a fucking MOCKERY!

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This is why I'm getting into politics.
Welcome to the club. May god have mercy on your soul.
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Breaking: Ontario willing to build shorter Hamilton LRT — if the federal government covers funding gap

Matthew Van Dongen Spectator Reporter Tue., Feb. 9, 2021

The province is asking the federal government to pay up to $1.5 billion to help build a resurrected — but shorter — light rail transit line in Hamilton, The Spectator has learned.

But if the federal government is not on board, the provincial Progressive Conservative government also has a newly completed Metrolinx study outlining possible bus rapid transit options, instead.

Thirteen months after cancelling Hamilton’s original LRT project mid-procurement, the Progressive Conservative government now says it is willing to put up $1 billion toward a shorter version — likely from McMaster University to Gage Avenue — so long as the federal Liberals or other partners cover the funding gap.

The province is expected to announce this afternoon that it is making Hamilton LRT one of its five “priority projects” submitted to the federal Liberal government for major transit funding.

A new Metrolinx estimate says it would cost between $2.2 and $2.5 billion in capital dollars to build a truncated, nine-kilometre LRT line ending in the east near Gage Park and Tim Hortons Field.


City council, which previously voted to approve a 14-kilometre LRT line fully funded by the province, was not asked to endorse the provincial decision to request federal cash for a shorter line.

It was not immediately clear Tuesday when council — which is increasingly divided over the light rail project — would get the opportunity to debate the latest development in the roller-coaster LRT saga.

Federal Infrastructure Minister Catherine McKenna has previously praised Hamilton’s LRT plan as a “shovel-ready” post-pandemic project, but has never indicated how much federal funding might be available.

The province is also continuing to consider an unsolicited proposal from construction union LIUNA to help offset construction costs with potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in private investment from its pension arm.

The Doug Ford government pulled the plug on Hamilton’s long-planned, 14-kilometre project between McMaster and Eastgate Square in December 2019 based on a ballooning budget of $5.5 billion to build, run and maintain the line.

The decision spurred a public outcry, prompting the formation of a transportation task force that just months later recommended the province fund either light rail or bus rapid transit on the same Main-King corridor.

Metrolinx has been reviewing those options since last spring and submitted a report to the province in November 2020.

But that comparative study — which was compiled without any City of Hamilton consultation — only looked at options that could be funded for $1 billion. That means the review compared bus rapid transit (express buses that run in dedicated, separated lanes) along most of King Street with a three-kilometre, three-stop LRT between the university and Dundurn Avenue.

Based on that review, Metrolinx was instructed to report back on what a “reasonable, incremental LRT would look like, with an associated budget,” according to a letter from the agency to Transportation Minister Caroline Mulroney in February.

That work is expected to be done in early spring. But preliminary numbers suggest a nine-kilometre line between McMaster and Gage Avenue is the “minimum” reasonable length for a truncated line.

The updated review is also expected to cost out an extension to the Queenston traffic circle and Eastgate Square.

Matthew Van Dongen is a Hamilton-based reporter covering transportation for The Spectator. Reach him via email: [email protected]

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-re...deral-government-covers-funding-gap.html
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Mac to Gage is longer than I expected... figured they'd end a first phase downtown.

In one of the Spec photos, I love how the signs the anti-group is holding have "NO LRT" crossed out. Do you guys know what your message actually is???

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Mac to The Delta, eh? That might not be too bad. Ottawa St. would benefit more if that were the terminus, but the Delta has plenty more space with those empty lots on the north side of King St.

I do wonder what the intersection will look like once one of the streets are inevitably converted back to 2-way. It used to look much more straightforward.


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The way I interpret it, they are going to talk to the feds and see how much money they are willing to contribute and base the length on that.

The line really has the most utility if it goes right to Eastgate in phase 1, but I understand the financial realities.
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