Winnipeg | 300 Main St.- Phase II 360 Main St. | 465 Ft | 42F | Completed

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by Biff

So look Drew, what we really want to know is - is the building going to fall over, and if so when? I would like to video it and post it on social media.

I feel that for some reason, this is what a Karen would say.

[drew]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

Point is that in a similar way,, all the hollowcore and steel and glass that's being placed atop 40 year old piles that were meant for no more than a 20 storey building (based on 1974 drawings). It can only lead to a catastrophic failure at some point if something is not done soon.

There is a lot wrong here that I need to correct for the record.

The piles are 40 years old. That is correct. But the rest of this statement is wrong.

The original building planned for this site was shorter (IIRC the total height was closer to 25 stories) However there are two very important distinctions between what was planned and what is being built:

1) original tower was an office tower, new tower is residential.
- Office towers have a design floor loading of 50 pounds per square foot for all floors above the main floor. Residential towers have a design floor loading of 40 pounds per square foot for all floors above the main floor. Floor to floor heights of office buildings are generally ~1-foot taller than residential.

2) original tower was planned with cast-in-place concrete, new tower is pre-cast hollowcore concrete.
- an 8" cast concrete floor has a dead load of 100 pounds per square foot, and equivalent topped hollowcore floor has a dead load of closer to 75 pounds per square foot.

Put this all together and you have a taller apartment building that weighs more or less the same as the originally designed shorter office building.

The piles really don't care how tall the building is, they care about how heavy the building is.

300 Main is designed to maximize the capacity of the existing piles.

There was a lot of investigation that went into this prior to any work getting started. I know the people that did the structural design, and we can all rest assured they are at the very top of this industry.

[trueviking]

I know them too and it is likely structured for an 80 storey building.

[Wigglez]

Originally Posted by trueviking

I know them too and it is likely structured for an 80 storey building.

Can we begin the disappointment that this isn't an 80 story building now?

I'll get started - "way to waste all that amazing foundation on such a stumpy building... can't we ever do anything right..."

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by Wigglez

Can we begin the disappointment that this isn't an 80 story building now?

I'll get started - "way to waste all that amazing foundation on such a stumpy building... can't we ever do anything right..."

The key thing is though, we should be grateful that this is a new tallest, at the very least.

[The Jabroni]

New page by the way...

[LilZebra]

In what country was the steel made or processed in? Does it not say on each piece?


could low quality, cheap steel be the source of these cracks and building rumble?

[Biff]

Good news people, Viking said it here. They changed the specs on 300 Main and they are raising the height to 80 stories....see official quote below

Originally Posted by trueviking

I know them too and they are now going to build it to an 80 storey building.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

In what country was the steel made or processed in? Does it not say on each piece?


could low quality, cheap steel be the source of these cracks and building rumble?

They will know exactly where everything comes from. The steel will need to me a certain standard, Canadian standard. And have mill certificates proving such. Lots of steel comes from China, just like everything else. IIRC though, steel here was coming from Gemany? For some reason.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

They will know exactly where everything comes from. The steel will need to me a certain standard, Canadian standard. And have mill certificates proving such. Lots of steel comes from China, just like everything else. IIRC though, steel here was coming from Gemany? For some reason.

Was ist wrong mit der Deutche schteel, hmmmm??

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

In what country was the steel made or processed in? Does it not say on each piece?


could low quality, cheap steel be the source of these cracks and building rumble?

Heard that the steel for the building was made from mostly old crushed cars in Mexico, some say you can still see Mexican state licence plates in the beams!

[drew]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

In what country was the steel made or processed in? Does it not say on each piece?


could low quality, cheap steel be the source of these cracks and building rumble?

While we are all throwing darts at a board - this morning they were continuing to install exterior wall panels and it appears the latest upper floor plates installed are being grouted.

[Biff]

Drew, with your reality....there is no place for it here.



Speculation, hearsay, and blind un-truths are what this Forum is founded on and I will be damned if you come in here and take it away!

...80 storey I hear. They apparently used some culled lumber for the some of the 29 floor support columns instead of steel.

[peg]

Have any floorplans been released yet? I'm curious what the units are going to be like here. The west-facing units are going to have great sunset views!

[Biff]

Actually, from the Main St side cam, I notice a lot of floor support scaffolding that I haven't seen in the tower before. Floors 19, 20, 25, 26. Like you would see on a pour in place concrete floor unless that is left over from floor grouting.

[prairiedog007]

On a positive note we now have balconies with Railings on the East side

[Bdog]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

In what country was the steel made or processed in? Does it not say on each piece?


could low quality, cheap steel be the source of these cracks and building rumble?

A friend of a friend works at Poulins. Rumour has it that there are a type of termites that eat steel that have been found on site. Usually they die off from the cold by this time of year, but due to the unseasonable weather, they are wreaking havoc. The sensors may actually be termite repulsor gadgets that emit a frequency that they can't stand, but it's all hush hush.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by Biff

Drew, with your reality....there is no place for it here.



Speculation, hearsay, and blind un-truths are what this Forum is founded on and I will be damned if you come in here and take it away!

...80 storey I hear. They apparently used some culled lumber for the some of the 29 floor support columns instead of steel.

Really?

I thought they used re-purposed railroad ties as support beams.

Highly sanded, pre-treated, polished, and primed to the point where it looks like steel.

[DLLB]

I would think that what would be a real concern to the owners is the impact all of this could have on sales of the units in the building.

[Labroco]

[QUOTE=drew;9127630]There is a lot wrong here that I need to correct for the record.

The piles are 40 years old. That is correct. But the rest of this statement is wrong.

The original building planned for this site was shorter (IIRC the total height was closer to 25 stories) However there are two very important distinctions between what was planned and what is being built:

1) original tower was an office tower, new tower is residential.
- Office towers have a design floor loading of 50 pounds per square foot for all floors above the main floor. Residential towers have a design floor loading of 40 pounds per square foot for all floors above the main floor. Floor to floor heights of office buildings are generally ~1-foot taller than residential.

2) original tower was planned with cast-in-place concrete, new tower is pre-cast hollowcore concrete.
- an 8" cast concrete floor has a dead load of 100 pounds per square foot, and equivalent topped hollowcore floor has a dead load of closer to 75 pounds per square foot.

Put this all together and you have a taller apartment building that weighs more or less the same as the originally designed shorter office building.

The piles really don't care how tall the building is, they care about how heavy the building is.

300 Main is designed to maximize the capacity of the existing piles.

There was a lot of investigation that went into this prior to any work getting started. I know the people that did the structural design, and we can all rest assured they are at the very top of this industry.[/QUOTE

A very informative post. Thank you.