Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 548

officedweller · #**10941** Posted **Oct 11, 2020, 2:02 AM**

Those posts show the difference between:

book smarts and street smarts
academic/idealist and practical/pragmatic

PS - forummers over at Urban Toronto love to rehash the same types of LRT vs subways debates - you may get more response over there.

Migrant_Coconut · #**10942** Posted **Oct 11, 2020, 2:11 AM**

In fairness, you're not going to get very far in transit planning without both sets.

ilikeredheads · #**10943** Posted **Oct 11, 2020, 2:15 AM**

inb4 some smartass brings back the "monorail is the transit of the future" debate lol

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**10944** Posted **Oct 11, 2020, 2:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

inb4 some smartass brings back the "monorail is the transit of the future" debate lol

hey now, i like monorails! they're cool. but cool =/= practical.

swimmer_spe · #**10945** Posted **Oct 11, 2020, 3:12 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by officedweller

Those posts show the difference between:

book smarts and street smarts
academic/idealist and practical/pragmatic

PS - forummers over at Urban Toronto love to rehash the same types of LRT vs subways debates - you may get more response over there.

It reminds me of the crazy ideas to do with the Sheppard East and West sections.

Lets force more transfers than needed.

santak003 · #**10946** Posted **Oct 11, 2020, 4:45 AM**

By simple calculations I will show that without traffic signal priority and line of sight operations that Vancouver can operate reliably at 2 minute headways with 70m train lengths giving all the “reliable” capacity required for Arbutus to UBC at low risk. The light rail alternative was removed from contention for rail rapid transit from Arbutus to UBC because it did not have the right amount of capacity.

All that is required for the solution is the normal traffic, a light rail line in the right of way that obeys the traffic signals with no special priority and platforms with two loading areas i.e. Platforms with two loading areas and train length of 70m.

The capacity is

400 people per train (very conservative and less than 4/m2)
X
30 trains / hour (I will show 36.75 trains per hour theoretical with two loading areas)

= 12000 pphpd

This is without any fancy technology or fancy solutions and is a low risk alternative solution or contingency.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

I'll catch up on the mean remarks/devlish feedback..later.

red-paladin · #**10947** Posted **Oct 11, 2020, 5:22 AM**

Ok really now, any more off topic posts will be deleted.
I ask the forum members to notify me with a message if I don't see them.

This is the last warning before messages will be deleted if they are not about this project.

Migrant_Coconut · #**10948** Posted **Oct 11, 2020, 5:38 AM**

Go ahead and delete the last two pages while you're at it. Nothing of value will be lost.

whatnext · #**10949** Posted **Oct 31, 2020, 5:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Station locations announced:

"Names not final" of course. Any details in here we didn't know? I thought the Main/Broadway station would be on the south EAST corner, where the surface parking lot is now. Not the old bank, current Tim Hortons building.

I went by there today and noticed the Tim Hortons was closed and all the shops in the relatively new commercial building next to it (highlighting the throwaway nature of so much of Vancouver's built form). Was there ever any reason given not to use the vacant lot on the SE corner for the station?

WarrenC12 · #**10950** Posted **Oct 31, 2020, 5:56 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatnext

I went by there today and noticed the Tim Hortons was closed and all the shops in the relatively new commercial building next to it (highlighting the throwaway nature of so much of Vancouver's built form). Was there ever any reason given not to use the vacant lot on the SE corner for the station?

Not sure on the SE corner (who owns it?) but I would agree. The MOTI wasted no time in kicking those tenants out, that happened a few months back, and yet nothing is going on with the space yet.

Another thing to consider is developing the SE corner property in the context of a bored tunnel nearby. If they want to dig a big hole for something significant on the site, I wonder what issues that causes?

Changing City · #**10951** Posted **Oct 31, 2020, 6:00 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatnext

I went by there today and noticed the Tim Hortons was closed and all the shops in the relatively new commercial building next to it (highlighting the throwaway nature of so much of Vancouver's built form). Was there ever any reason given not to use the vacant lot on the SE corner for the station?

It's not big enough. Check out the illustrations Jimbo604 linked to on 1 October from the Broadway Line website. There are several more buildings along W Broadway to be demolished for construction of the line. They can be redeveloped (presumably at higher densities) once station construction is complete. I think the single storey retail on Main was redeveloped after a fire, so the insurance would presumably only pay for a cheap replacement. If they had added residential on top it would have made building a station here much more difficult.

Changing City · #**10952** Posted **Oct 31, 2020, 6:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Not sure on the SE corner (who owns it?) but I would agree. The MOTI wasted no time in kicking those tenants out, that happened a few months back, and yet nothing is going on with the space yet.

Another thing to consider is developing the SE corner property in the context of a bored tunnel nearby. If they want to dig a big hole for something significant on the site, I wonder what issues that causes?

The leases may have run out, and given COVID (and those were mostly food service) the tenants may have been quite happy to have the leases end. There should be no issues developing the parking lot site once the boring machine has passed by. There's an 8-storey condo building developed on Cambie right next to (and over the top of) the King Edward station.

jollyburger · #**10953** Posted **Oct 31, 2020, 7:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Not sure on the SE corner (who owns it?) but I would agree. The MOTI wasted no time in kicking those tenants out, that happened a few months back, and yet nothing is going on with the space yet.

Another thing to consider is developing the SE corner property in the context of a bored tunnel nearby. If they want to dig a big hole for something significant on the site, I wonder what issues that causes?

The city owns it.

jollyburger · #**10954** Posted **Oct 31, 2020, 7:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Changing City

The leases may have run out, and given COVID (and those were mostly food service) the tenants may have been quite happy to have the leases end. There should be no issues developing the parking lot site once the boring machine has passed by. There's an 8-storey condo building developed on Cambie right next to (and over the top of) the King Edward station.

They were built about five years ago and I doubt most of them had any demolition clauses attached to them? Seems more likely they got bought out.

That part of the blocked burned down in 2009 and redeveloped in 2012

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...esses-1.781706

The Granville/Broadway old RBC building should be at ground level in a few more weeks.

jollyburger · #**10955** Posted **Oct 31, 2020, 11:35 PM**

Rosemary Rocksalt says this on their website:

"Permanently closed due to expropriation by the Ministry of Transportation for the Broadway extension subway line."

Migrant_Coconut · #**10956** Posted **Oct 31, 2020, 11:40 PM**

For reference. Looks like the only way to get the same floorplate as the SW corner (for the mustering area) would be to tear down that lowrise.