Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed - Page 195

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**3881** Posted **Sep 4, 2020, 10:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by PaperTiger

Riiiiight... idiots.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/08/31/horgan-premier-popularity-poll/

a random opinion poll of a tiny segment of the population about 1 issue does not make a person/group of people smart/not idiots. all it means is a small segment of the population on 1 issue may not dislike the handling of that 1 issue; one said person the poll is about doesn't even handle as the medical officer does, the one who lived through SARS in Toronto.

the NDPs legacy has never been good. there is a reason they've governed for about 15yrs in the last 70yrs.

Mininari · #**3882** Posted **Oct 25, 2020, 5:35 AM**

Well, nothing to see here. Four more confirmed years of the NDP means the GMT replacement project should be either in year 3 (or so) of its environmental assessment period, or tied up in court over First Nations objections by the time the next election rolls around.

IT CAN BE AN ELECTION ISSUE AGAIN!!!!

LeftCoaster · #**3883** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 9:03 PM**

I hope this crossing is ignored until the Liberals are in power again so that it is done properly.

I'd much rather wait another 4-8 years for it to start than have the NDP build some cut rate half-assed solution.

s211 · #**3884** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 10:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I hope this crossing is ignored until the Liberals are in power again so that it is done properly.

I'd much rather wait another 4-8 years for it to start than have the NDP build some cut rate half-assed solution.

Eight years? Kill me now.

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**3885** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 11:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I hope this crossing is ignored until the Liberals are in power again so that it is done properly.

I'd much rather wait another 4-8 years for it to start than have the NDP build some cut rate half-assed solution.

100% agreed here. much better to wait than to have the NDP mess it up for 50yrs.

its funny, though, the process started in 2012 and here we are, 8yrs later, and literally it is still piles of sand.

Metro-One · #**3886** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 11:33 PM**

Especially considering that the proposed NDP alternative will retain the existing overpasses at Steveston interchange and would also retain the current shoulder bus “lane” along the highway (AKA the world’s cheapest bus lane hack job) and it would all cost 500 million to 1 billion dollars more than the original bridge plan.

Klazu · #**3887** Posted **Oct 26, 2020, 11:51 PM**

Well, even the 8-lane tunnel will double the lanes crossing the river so getting that would be positive. Anything else on both sides could be built later.

Waitin for 4-8 years would cost another extra billion dollars. Cancelling the bridge just out of despite has been idiotic. I wonder if their hand was wrangled by the Greens on that one or this really was out of despite?

cganuelas1995 · #**3888** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 12:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

its funny, though, the process started in 2012 and here we are, 8yrs later, and literally it is still piles of sand.

Piles of sand with vegetation, might I add.

libtard · #**3889** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 1:19 AM**

Horgan just won a majority. He will leave his mark with a massive infrastructure project just like Gordon Campbell did. The tunnel is being built. They’re already removing the piles of sand north of Blundell Rd.

WarrenC12 · #**3890** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 3:57 PM**

Christy Clark made it an election promise in 2013, only "starting in 2017", beyond a full term. Stupid idea. The BC Liberals could have had it underway and unable to cancel by 2017. Blame them.

LeftCoaster · #**3891** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 5:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Christy Clark made it an election promise in 2013, only "starting in 2017", beyond a full term. Stupid idea. The BC Liberals could have had it underway and unable to cancel by 2017. Blame them.

No, I'm going to blame the guys who actually cancelled it. the NDP.

Also I think Horgan's infrastructure legacy will be public transit rather than highways, which is just fine. Build a few more skytrain lines and a westcoast express expansion and I'd be pleased to revive this when the Libs eventually get back into power.

Tysonbrown · #**3892** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 6:38 PM**

Only 1 lower mainland mayor was in favour of the bridge and Lois is history. Not 1 mayor in the lower mainland agrees a bridge should be built. Build the new tunnel and save the Fraser from becoming a coal port.

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**3893** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 11:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tysonbrown

Only 1 lower mainland mayor was in favour of the bridge and Lois is history. Not 1 mayor in the lower mainland agrees a bridge should be built.

mayors don't care about the region. they care about their little bubble that they want to control and create a legacy. and anything that threatens that is bad bad bad.

but its funny, go back to the early 1980s and people said the exact same thing about the Alex Fraser Bridge.

now imagine if we didn't have that today.

libtard · #**3894** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 11:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

mayors don't care about the region. they care about their little bubble that they want to control and create a legacy. and anything that threatens that is bad bad bad.

but its funny, go back to the early 1980s and people said the exact same thing about the Alex Fraser Bridge.

now imagine if we didn't have that today.

You can say that all you want, but you have to admit the mayors council has a lot of pull when it comes to these matters. Horgan always consults with the mayors council over large infrastructure projects

s211 · #**3895** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 11:25 PM**

This thread depresses the hell out of me. The NDP has triggered me, both micro- and macro-. Don't I deserve a safe space and compensation for the damage they've done to my mental health?

aberdeen5698 · #**3896** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 11:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by libtard

You can say that all you want, but you have to admit the mayors council has a lot of pull when it comes to these matters. Horgan always consults with the mayors council over large infrastructure projects

Indeed, one of my biggest gripes about about the previous Liberal government was their propensity to run roughshod over the wishes of the municipalities. I'm very pleased with the way Horgan's been approaching this.

Henbo · #**3897** Posted **Oct 27, 2020, 11:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

...go back to the early 1980s and people said the exact same thing about the Alex Fraser Bridge.

now imagine if we didn't have that today.

I think this quote really highlights the chicken and egg of land use and transportation

Today you can't imagine trying to move around South of Fraser without the Alex Fraser Bridge. But if that project was never planned and built, the land use South of Fraser would look very different today. (North Delta would probably look a lot more like South Delta)

These types of projects really drive the real estate market.

People (and the market) are driven to accessibility. Growth, and the type of growth, in an area isn't inevitable.

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In the case of GMT, the bridge has already been promised, and development has been moving forward to some degree. A new bridge is needed, but I think there's still an opportunity to shape what future growth in the area looks like

logicbomb · #**3898** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 12:08 AM**

I'm pro development and think the Massey Bridge would be huge for the region in terms of industry and overall economic growth but the major drawback is the unfettered growth that would occur in Delta, Tsawwassen and South Surrey.

Hwy #1 and the Port Mann have essentially killed the Langley I grew up in. It's become a nightmare on feeder routes and the area looks like a suburban hell.

I do believe in retention of the ALR's as well and know the new bridge would present the dilemna of housing vs growable land.

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**3899** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 2:24 AM**

so without these projects opening up SoF, where would people go? the NoF is pretty affordable to most. and saying everyone should just take transit isn't a solution.

also as to the ALR, even with road/transit projects, that isn't going anywhere anytime soon. i dont see people complaining about how SkyTrain will push development SoF. that is exactly what it does; it is no different.

cabotp · #**3900** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 2:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

so without these projects opening up SoF, where would people go? the NoF is pretty affordable to most. and saying everyone should just take transit isn't a solution.

also as to the ALR, even with road/transit projects, that isn't going anywhere anytime soon. i dont see people complaining about how SkyTrain will push development SoF. that is exactly what it does; it is no different.

Rapid transit generally will result in more high density housing and thus less land use.

Highways generally will result in more low density housing and thus more land use.

Development is going to happen SoF no matter what is built or isn't built. The type of infrastructure can have an effect on the type of housing that is built.