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Old Posted Aug 6, 2020, 3:29 AM
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it'snot going to be white anymore? another grey/beige high-rise wtf.
There will be a nice new white exterior:
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it'snot going to be white anymore? another grey/beige high-rise wtf.
Given the purpose of the building, I think expectations should be tempered a little. I don't doubt it will look better than before though.

The showcase for the west harbour redevelopment will be Pier 8. Improvements to buildings on the periphery are good, but that new stuff will define the neighbourhood.
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looks great, when can i move in ....

actually did the registery thing at

https://waterfrontshorescondos.ca/

wonder if they will wait for the park to be installed.
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looks great, when can i move in ....

actually did the registery thing at

https://waterfrontshorescondos.ca/

wonder if they will wait for the park to be installed.
The park has to happen first from my recollection. I'm curious when the park it going to be started/completed. I haven't seen a new timeline despite being nearly a year behind schedule.
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Want to build a waterfront restaurant or hotel? Hamilton has a deal for you

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https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-re...LI&li_medium=thespec_recommended_for_you

Hamilton wants to sell you some prime waterfront property — so long as you buy into council’s west harbour vision.

With little fanfare, Hamilton recently put four small parcels of vacant land between Pier 5 and Pier 7 on the market.

But don’t go shopping with a harbourfront mansion in mind. The city wants restaurants — there’s only one on the recreational harbourfront now — retail and maybe a boutique hotel to set up shop alongside a high-profile residential development already under construction on Pier 8.

No, the city can’t force a buyer to sell pier-side seafood, said waterfront project head Chris Phillips. But it can use zoning and sale conditions “to ensure that the uses the city is looking to have, based on its vision, are the ones that will be implemented,” he said.

The properties are small, ranging in size from a quarter to about a third of an acre each. They include two parcels on Guise Street, an empty concrete pier that roughly lines up with the end of James Street North and the stubby point of land that once hosted the police marine unit building.

The city is not selling land on the piers previously reserved for green space or an eventual “artisan village.”

Zoning for all blocks allows for retail and restaurants, with residential possible above floor-level business. Waterfront recreational rentals are also encouraged — and bait shops, too.

On the block closest to Pier 8, which includes the old police marine building, zoning allows for a boutique hotel with a four-storey height limit. The rest of the properties must host two- or three-storey buildings.

There are other conditions, too: construction must start within three years, you can’t flip the property for at least a decade and priority consideration will go to environmentally sustainable building plans. The former industrial pier land is being sold “as is,” so do your due diligence.

Bill Curran, a North End neighbourhood organizer, said he welcomed the decision to “finally” push ahead on the “glacial pace” of harbourfront development.

But the architect, who has argued for greater density on the waterfront, questioned whether the four-storey maximum height is going to attract “first class” developments or even allow for viable hotels or restaurants.

The harbour’s only full-service dining restaurant, Sarcoa, closed in 2017 in the middle of a legal dispute with the Hamilton Waterfront Trust and the city that was only settled last year. That city-owned building on Pier 8 remains empty and its future depends on the results of a new study that is also evaluating the feasibility of a 45-storey tower.

Curran added he was also surprised by the seemingly low-key marketing of “unique” waterfront land in the city, noting the properties are not even listed on Realtor.ca. By contrast, Hamilton issued a special request for proposals for its Pier 8 redevelopment and pitched the land at international conferences.

Phillips said the sale is being advertised throughout the GTA and via “targeted outreach to those who are uniquely qualified to develop this waterfront site.”

The city will only consider purchase offers after Oct. 31 — and there is no rush to offload the properties, added Phillips, who stressed the city wants to recoup “fair market value” for the properties. The city will not put a public price on that value.

The sale was actually supposed to start in March or April. The city presented the sale plan in public last December and council signed off on it in early this year — but the marketing process screeched to a halt alongside many other municipal plans during the COVID lockdown.
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I agree with Curran that the four storey limit here may be limiting. In fact all the city conditions seem to me to be too much micromanagement. After what the city did to Sarcoa, and if I recall correctly, Williams doesn't even really make money for the city, I'm not sure what the attraction will be for investors.
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I agree with Curran that the four storey limit here may be limiting. In fact all the city conditions seem to me to be too much micromanagement. After what the city did to Sarcoa, and if I recall correctly, Williams doesn't even really make money for the city, I'm not sure what the attraction will be for investors.
I think 5 or 6 storeys sure, but this isn't really the place for skyscrapers. It's a public waterfront. Creating a nice artisan village with desirable proportions is a great use of the space. Building imposing buildings right up against the waterfront has been panned by people everywhere.

I think this desire to build uncomfortably tall buildings everywhere someone is allowed speaks to our restrictive zoning of single detached and semi detached developments. If midrise was given as an as of right through out the entire city with the ability for multiple dwelling units on every property, this desire to force the city into tall buildings in arguably the least desirable location to do so, would disappear.
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I would love to see a portion of the waterfront set up with small commercial spaces available for short-term pop-up shops. Weekend or weekly rentals so people can book some time and test the market. I think it would add to the destination concept. Small surprises that could easily leverage social media to spread the word. It could be an interesting program. Ideas?
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[QUOTE=TheRitsman;9070297]Creating a nice artisan village with desirable proportions is a great use of the space. Building imposing buildings right up against the waterfront has been panned by people everywhere.



No offence, but I don't think many people when they travel, either in their own city or abroad is looking for this kind of thing.

I have been all over the world, and lived abroad. In all my travels I never said to myself "hmm where is the local artisan village?"

This may appeal to a demographic of baby boomers who like crafts but or most people this is not what they want.

When I travel I want to go to markets (food and flea), see an art gallery, go get drinks and coffee, sit in a public space, visit a brewey or distillery or good resturants - do I care about 'artisan villages' for crafts and dream catchers and crystals - NO
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Creating a nice artisan village with desirable proportions is a great use of the space. Building imposing buildings right up against the waterfront has been panned by people everywhere.



No offence, but I don't think many people when they travel, either in their own city or abroad is looking for this kind of thing.

I have been all over the world, and lived abroad. In all my travels I never said to myself "hmm where is the local artisan village?"

This may appeal to a demographic of baby boomers who like crafts but or most people this is not what they want.

When I travel I want to go to markets (food and flea), see an art gallery, go get drinks and coffee, sit in a public space, visit a brewey or distillery or good resturants - do I care about 'artisan villages' for crafts and dream catchers and crystals - NO
Perhaps I misunderstood the purpose of the artisan village, but my understanding was that it would have exactly that. They used the term "artisan village" because Hamilton is known for art I suppose, but everything I've heard about this area included, cafes, restaurants, bars, in addition to market similar element.

Add that this is next to the restaurant and retail corridor of Pier 8 nearby, it would likely be a popular location. I also do think there is desire for artisan villages. Perhaps not for you, but I know many friends and family that are interested in that type of thing. Perhaps I'm just an old man in my 20s, but many people I know like wine tasting, and arts, crafts and these kinds of things.

I do agree that if it were nothing but arts and crafts, it would be wasted, as restaurants and breweries would be great along the waterfront, but as I said it was always part of the plan to have these elements incorporated.
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I think then we are thinking of the same thing. Just when you said artisan village it reminded me of some gimmicky places - The waterfront can be and will hopefully be everything we hope it will.

What I don't understand- Pier 5-7 is going to be different then the pier 8 development. To me it looks weird because pier 8 models look and feel much different to these images of pier 5-7.
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What I don't understand- Pier 5-7 is going to be different then the pier 8 development. To me it looks weird because pier 8 models look and feel much different to these images of pier 5-7.
Do the two developments need to look alike?

There will be a bit of separation between them as well: the southwest section of the Pier 8 development, along what's currently Discovery Drive, will remain as open space or parkland (you can see it in the PDF of the presentation panels for Waterfront Shores)

These are just concepts anyway; the final design will likely be different. The city is still accepting offers from developers for the properties... hopefully we will see some proposals this fall/winter (the links below note "Offers will be considered after October 31, 2020")
https://www.hamilton.ca/city-initiatives/priority-projects/waterfront-redevelopment-west-harbour
PDF: https://www.hamilton.ca/sites/default/fi...st-harbour-blocks-propertyinfosheet1.pdf
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2020, 4:25 PM
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They should fit together and have the same feel I would think. Pier 8 looks cutting edge and modern where pier 5-7 looks like it comes out of the 1990s.
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This CBC story about the film studio development has a few details about the waterfront redevelopment as well. It will be really great to be able to walk along the edge of Pier 8 again!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/aeon-studio-1.5825145

The studio is one of a few projects in the works in the west harbour. Hamilton is also in the midst of redeveloping Piers 6, 7 and 8 to include 1,645 condo units, retail and institutional space, and a boardwalk. Fifteen per cent of the condo units will be "family sized," which is two or more bedrooms.

Waterfront Shores Corporation is developing the area. The city and the company are in the midst of "constructive negotiations," staff told a city council subcommittee on Wednesday. The city expect to sign a development agreement in January.

The boardwalk area known as Copps Park should be open in July, staff said. The city will also have to decide whether to build a public artisan market and open-air buildings on Piers 6 and 7.
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