stal̕əw̓asəm (Riverview) Bridge (Pattullo Bridge Replacement) | U/C

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Bobert

Interesting that it's going through TI corp. So is this crown corp just taking over project management from MOT?

yes.

Transportation Investment Corporation (TI Corp) has a mandate to deliver $4.7 Billion in major infrastructure on behalf of the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure.

TI Corp is currently delivering the Pattullo Bridge Replacement Project, the Broadway Subway Project and the Kicking Horse Canyon Project – Phase 4.

In June 2018, the Government of B.C. re-purposed TI Corp to become the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure’s major project governance and delivery organization. TI Corp is committed to building capacity internally and, by extension, within the BC Public Service. The organization will apply robust and consistent controls and practices across the major transportation projects.

Source: TI Corp

[zahav]

Chinese-Canadian veteran's group issues call to remove Duff Pattullo's name from new bridge

Group's president says it was 'a very dark time for ethnic people' when Pattullo was running province

Will be interesting to see if this happens and the bridge gets a new name. I'd be for a new name, I don't think we should be upset with ditching the current name. I'm sure a lot of people will have a problem with it though (it's just like the statue removal debates around North America). I just want new shiny infrastructure lol I don't care about a racist former premier's name being on it

[SpongeG]

Burnaby council rejects Pattullo-Highway 1 thoroughfare proposal
Dustin Godfrey / Burnaby Now
OCTOBER 8, 2020

A proposed connector between McBride Boulevard in New Westminster and Highway 1 in Burnaby is unnecessary and runs counter to Burnaby’s climate goals, city staff determined.

The proposal came at the end of May from transit advocate Nathan Davidowicz, who suggested the city incorporate the so-called Stormont-McBride connector into its transportation plan, which is currently in the works. In particular, he cited the Pattullo Bridge replacement and potential related increases in traffic as a reason for considering the project.

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The dotted lines indicate the proposed path of the rejected Stormont-McBride connector. - City of Burnaby

https://www.burnabynow.com/news/burnaby-...55p7EDyoqNQnUlxS9QfRAh0rUBbiQOz0sWkWejJw

[Klazu]

Oh FFS. Removing car-idling with the new connector would have been a true green act. Now New Westminsterners will continue to enjoy endless exhumes. As much as I like Burnaby, traffic planning here sucks balls.

And the new should be called Pattullo Bridge. Enough with the cancel culture BS.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Oh FFS. Removing car-idling with the new connector would have been a true green act.

Yep, that's the standard ploy for people who feel entitled to their cars. "So many idling cars is bad for the environment, build more roads!!!" they say. And when the new, improved roads clog up with even more idling cars they trot out the same argument all over again.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Oh FFS. Removing car-idling with the new connector would have been a true green act. Now New Westminsterners will continue to enjoy endless exhumes. As much as I like Burnaby, traffic planning here sucks balls.

Cars are going to cause New West to dig up a bunch of bodies?

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Yep, that's the standard ploy for people who feel entitled to their cars. "So many idling cars is bad for the environment, build more roads!!!" they say. And when the new, improved roads clog up with even more idling cars they trot out the same argument all over again.

It is true that you can build too much, but Metro-Van is far from that point, and this project made sense seeing how it was simply straightening an existing route. It doesn’t take a genius to see that Gaglardi Way and McBride were supposed to connect.

Now traffic will forever continue along the more hazardous and wasteful zig zag route of Cariboo Road, which was never really meant to be a regional road.

The connector could have allowed Cariboo Road to have been traffic calmed and returned to local residents.

Oh well!

[Nites]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/mcbride-connector-burnaby-pattullo-bridge

This Daily Hive article states it was rejected because "it makes driving more attractive as opposed to public transit."

LOL

[Lexus]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

It is true that you can build too much, but Metro-Van is far from that point, and this project made sense seeing how it was simply straightening an existing route. It doesn’t take a genius to see that Gaglardi Way and McBride were supposed to connect.

Now traffic will forever continue along the more hazardous and wasteful zig zag route of Cariboo Road, which was never really meant to be a regional road.

The connector could have allowed Cariboo Road to have been traffic calmed and returned to local residents.

Oh well!

Cariboo Road is not a truck road as well. Truck are getting fines of $200 for driving there.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Oh FFS. Removing car-idling with the new connector would have been a true green act. Now New Westminsterners will continue to enjoy endless exhumes. As much as I like Burnaby, traffic planning here sucks balls.

And the new should be called Pattullo Bridge. Enough with the cancel culture BS.

You're a big supporter of Duff Pattullo? Please enlighten us on his achievements.

Car idling as our biggest environmental issue is pretty funny.

[Mininari]

Car idling.... aren't we all going to be driving EV's in 20 years or so? Emissions are going to eventually be a moot point.

Build balanced transportation systems for the future!

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Yep, that's the standard ploy for people who feel entitled to their cars.

I don't know what it has to do with any entitlement. It's a free country and I have bought (a really nice, by the way) car that I choose to drive whenever I please. There is nobody I will ask about it as it's my choice.

And when I drive, I want to get to places quickly and safely which traffic light ridden streets of New Westminster doesn't provide.

In this case there was also always meant to be a connector. It would make so many other residential streets less congested, less noisy, much safer and have a better livability.

One has to be an empty in the upstairs to think that New Westminsters would jump into buying more cars if this connector gets built. That wouldn't happen but what would happen is everyone would gain something be it residents or driver's.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

You're a big supporter of Duff Pattullo? Please enlighten us on his achievements.

The bridge should be called Pattullo Bridge for historical reasons as that's what everyone knows this crossing as. The historical name should not be changed just because few Twitter activists cry so. Enough with topling statues shit.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I don't know what it has to do with any entitlement. It's a free country and I have bought (a really nice, by the way) car that I choose to drive whenever I please. There is nobody I will ask about it as it's my choice.

You cannot drive without a public infrastructure to drive on. By "entitlement" I mean you feel that you're entitled to that infrastructure getting better and better even if it's to society's ultimate detriment.

I love great roads too, but I think we're starting to realize that you can't just keep building roads forever.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Klazu

The bridge should be called Pattullo Bridge for historical reasons as that's what everyone knows this crossing as. The historical name should not be changed just because few Twitter activists cry so. Enough with topling statues shit.

You don't need to make a big deal about it. Things get renamed all the time. GM Place is now Rogers Arena. The Gulf of Georgia is now the Salish Sea. Berlin, Ontario is now Kitchener. This is a non-issue. If they build a new bridge, who cares if they give it a new name.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

you can't just keep building roads forever.

no one is advocating for that. i like driving, and i don't even advocate for that. but there are some projects that would dramatically increase livability if they were done. this connector is one of them. it would remove trucks and traffic from so many local roads. it would make those residential areas more walkable, safer, healthier, quieter, and more desirable. it would improve quality of life for these people. at the same time it will improve connections for drivers and goods movement throughout the region.

traffic wont just magically go away because you want it to. but as i said, there are a few projects which really would help neighbourhoods and the region as a while. this is one of them.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by chowhou

You don't need to make a big deal about it. Things get renamed all the time. GM Place is now Rogers Arena. The Gulf of Georgia is now the Salish Sea. Berlin, Ontario is now Kitchener. This is a non-issue. If they build a new bridge, who cares if they give it a new name.

Name changing for the sake of political correctness always ages poorly.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

no one is advocating for that. i like driving, and i don't even advocate for that. but there are some projects that would dramatically increase livability if they were done. this connector is one of them. it would remove trucks and traffic from so many local roads. it would make those residential areas more walkable, safer, healthier, quieter, and more desirable. it would improve quality of life for these people. at the same time it will improve connections for drivers and goods movement throughout the region.

traffic wont just magically go away because you want it to. but as i said, there are a few projects which really would help neighbourhoods and the region as a while. this is one of them.

Exactly, I don't know why people don't realize that if Vancouver moved ahead with it's freeway system as intended one of the results would have been much calmer arterial and residential streets which would be much safer for pedestrians/cyclists.

Also, how many shopping streets would be so much more pleasant to go for a stroll down if we remove commuting and truck traffic from the mix and put them on an elevated roadway. Broadway, Kingsway, heck even Georgia Street could all be pleasant tree lined boulevards if we wanted to instead of traffic clogged messes filled with pedestrian controlled intersections every block.

[giallo]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Exactly, I don't know why people don't realize that if Vancouver moved ahead with it's freeway system as intended one of the results would have been much calmer arterial and residential streets which would be much safer for pedestrians/cyclists.

True, but we would have lost Gastown, Chinatown, and access to almost the entirety of the eastern portion of the peninsula's waterfront.

Traffic sucks in Vancouver, but I'd far prefer to have those neighbourhoods than quicker access to downtown by car for people living in the suburbs.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by giallo

True, but we would have lost Gastown, Chinatown, and access to almost the entirety of the eastern portion of the peninsula's waterfront.

Traffic sucks in Vancouver, but I'd far prefer to have those neighbourhoods than quicker access to downtown by car for people living in the suburbs.

Given today's state of those neighbourhoods, is that much of a loss? On the flipside, some of our more mediocre shopping districts plagued by traffic ("stroads") may be much more pleasant had it been the case.