YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by s211

If anyone is lamenting YVR deferring its capital program, take small comfort that it's not alone. O'Hare's pending massive redevelopment is hanging by a thread right now also.

Same with downunder. Most projects grinding to a halt.

[Spikester]

Originally Posted by s211

If anyone is lamenting YVR deferring its capital program, take small comfort that it's not alone. O'Hare's pending massive redevelopment is hanging by a thread right now also.

DFW Terminal F postponed indefinitely as well.

[casper]

Interesting video by someone on one of the Air France flights transiting YVR between Tahiti and Paris. What is also interesting is at the same time on the ground they have three aircraft doing that route and the KLM flight to Amsterdam. The blogger indicated they originally wanted to fly Air Tahiti but it was full and plan B was Air France. Interesting times. At 43:30 they start the approach into Vancouver, she recorded most of the transit process and boarding.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWFqga2uBYc

[casper]

Looks like she also have the flight out that was a week earlier.....

Surprised they are keeping them in that small gate area and not letting them into the larger international area with shops and lounges. With a two hour layover in Vancouver there should be sufficient time.

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[casper]

Did not notice this until ready the Sun article from last month. The CORE project was experiencing major overruns.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...l-pushes-yvr-to-cancel-expansion-project

This is a $600 M project with $525 M already spent. I know $75 M is a lot of money and could find other uses at the airport however something is odd with stops a project that 85% complete.

Are they projecting additional overruns or is this geo thermal plant not needed if they are not building the new US terminal?

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by casper

is this geo thermal plant not needed if they are not building the new US terminal?

did they ever really need a geothermal plant? they could have expanded their current systems as required.

this was one of those project to become carbon neutral/less carbon intensive and was never needed persay. but while they could afford it, it was a no brainier to score PR points as green-washing is a big thing people like these days.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by casper

Interesting video by someone on one of the Air France flights transiting YVR between Tahiti and Paris. What is also interesting is at the same time on the ground they have three aircraft doing that route and the KLM flight to Amsterdam. The blogger indicated they originally wanted to fly Air Tahiti but it was full and plan B was Air France. Interesting times. At 43:30 they start the approach into Vancouver, she recorded most of the transit process and boarding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWFqga2uBYc

Again I ask, why can't they pick up pax in YVR? Tahiti is open for tourism, this seems like a missed opportunity. Surely Canada would grant rights quickly if asked?

[nname]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Again I ask, why can't they pick up pax in YVR? Tahiti is open for tourism, this seems like a missed opportunity. Surely Canada would grant rights quickly if asked?

I believe both AF and BF have right. But if they pick up and drop off pax at YVR, then it would be international flight instead of domestic. Might complicate matters on both Paris and Tahiti sides?

[WestCoastEcho]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

did they ever really need a geothermal plant? they could have expanded their current systems as required.

this was one of those project to become carbon neutral/less carbon intensive and was never needed persay. but while they could afford it, it was a no brainier to score PR points as green-washing is a big thing people like these days.

Geothermal heating, while expensive to install, would have significantly cut the costs for heating and cooling compared more traditional HVAC systems. It makes more sense for larger, commercial installations than it does for home usage due to it's cost.

[casper]

Originally Posted by WestCoastEcho

Geothermal heating, while expensive to install, would have significantly cut the costs for heating and cooling compared more traditional HVAC systems. It makes more sense for larger, commercial installations than it does for home usage due to it's cost.

The question is how long is the ROI on this.

The federal government is leaning towards a stimulus package that includes upgrading buildings to be energy efficient. We will see what happens but that may be an avenue that opens up for some cost sharing with the feds.

[casper]

Originally Posted by nname

I believe both AF and BF have right. But if they pick up and drop off pax at YVR, then it would be international flight instead of domestic. Might complicate matters on both Paris and Tahiti sides?

Canada has open skies with France.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

Canada has open skies with France.

That will automatically include "Départements Outre Mer" such as Martinique, but what about "Territoires Outre Mer," such as is Tahiti?

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by nname

I believe both AF and BF have right. But if they pick up and drop off pax at YVR, then it would be international flight instead of domestic. Might complicate matters on both Paris and Tahiti sides?

I have no knowledge on it, but just thinking perhaps it is because this was meant as a temporary change so they went with the path of least resistance. Originally the flights went through LAX and they had to scramble to set up the YVR stop as an alternate, so the less paper-work and feather ruffling the better.

Now, same with no statistical analysis... the video shows that the flight is actually quite full as-is without any additional passengers from YVR in the mix. Could it be possible that adding the possibility of even MORE passengers would from a "foreign" country like Canada could be seen as a detractor to those willing to pay for these flights from France.

[NewfBC]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

did they ever really need a geothermal plant? they could have expanded their current systems as required.

this was one of those project to become carbon neutral/less carbon intensive and was never needed persay. but while they could afford it, it was a no brainier to score PR points as green-washing is a big thing people like these days.

There's a lot that's not needed at YVR.. but when you're rolling in the cash with the power to add and increase fees as you see fit.. you can easily waste money.

The biggest cash grab was a $5/day (now $5.75) fee added to rental cars a few years ago, in addition to the other airport fees charged on rentals.

The city of Vancouver has been operating in a similar fashion.. more cash coming in then they know what to do with.. which has dried up for now.

Ron.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

did they ever really need a geothermal plant? they could have expanded their current systems as required.

this was one of those project to become carbon neutral/less carbon intensive and was never needed persay. but while they could afford it, it was a no brainier to score PR points as green-washing is a big thing people like these days.

The new utilities building was replacing the heating/cooling plant so to say it was just to satisfy being carbon neutral seems to be a stretch. They said $30 million/10% costs to add the geothermal. I mean if the system works then it actually might make sense to use geothermal to moderate the heating/cooling of the terminal.

[casper]

Originally Posted by NewfBC

There's a lot that's not needed at YVR.. but when you're rolling in the cash with the power to add and increase fees as you see fit.. you can easily waste money.

The biggest cash grab was a $5/day (now $5.75) fee added to rental cars a few years ago, in addition to the other airport fees charged on rentals.

The city of Vancouver has been operating in a similar fashion.. more cash coming in then they know what to do with.. which has dried up for now.

Ron.

You can understand throwing money at gardens in overhead walkways or a mini aquarium inside the terminal as it all makes a positive impression on the passenger. (A positive impression in a Las Vegas casino kind of way.). However a fancy HVAC system is a weird way to waste money.

[hollywoodcory]

WS starts 789 service to YVR today 5x weekly from YYZ. This will be the first time WS' 787 has been to YVR.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

The new utilities building was replacing the heating/cooling plant so to say it was just to satisfy being carbon neutral seems to be a stretch. They said $30 million/10% costs to add the geothermal. I mean if the system works then it actually might make sense to use geothermal to moderate the heating/cooling of the terminal.

they were taking on a lot of extra costs to use that type of system. when they had all that money coming in, i mean why not? it may have had a better ROI because they were also expanding their airport a lot.

but without that terminal expansion i really don't think it is worth the money now. and i don't see how it would ever be without the terminal expansion going on.

but if the feds are going to throw that much money around, then it may end up back on the table. time will tell.


i didn't know about all the extra fees YVR was adding on to things though. like rental cars, etc. very interesting. no wonder they had so much money.

[casper]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

they were taking on a lot of extra costs to use that type of system. when they had all that money coming in, i mean why not? it may have had a better ROI because they were also expanding their airport a lot.

but without that terminal expansion i really don't think it is worth the money now. and i don't see how it would ever be without the terminal expansion going on.

but if the feds are going to throw that much money around, then it may end up back on the table. time will tell.


i didn't know about all the extra fees YVR was adding on to things though. like rental cars, etc. very interesting. no wonder they had so much money.

The world over when airports have to much money to spend they build people movers. Clearly YVR management did not get the memo otherwise we would have had a rail extension to the south terminal.

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

WS starts 789 service to YVR today 5x weekly from YYZ. This will be the first time WS' 787 has been to YVR.

Extended to December 4, and increases to daily in November.