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It's amazing how the six CMAs in the 300k-500k range manage to look so strikingly different from one another.
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Hmm. I think you're right - mainly due to geography and how that has influenced settlement patterns? I guess you could say that about any comparison between cities. I'll have to sleep on this one, lol. Ok, one non direct geographical factor - Victoria's housing prices have resulted in more people living in condos and apartments than say Saskatoon.
     
     
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Date of settlement - Halifax generally having narrower streets, sidewalks and older building stock. Climate influence - Regina has some of those pedways.
     
     
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the westward expansion of Montreal's skyline continues unabated (despite Jean Drapeau's many attempts to shift that direction eastward)
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Ottawa and Hull from the Prince of Wales Bridge.

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Hmm. I think you're right - mainly due to geography and how that has influenced settlement patterns? I guess you could say that about any comparison between cities. I'll have to sleep on this one, lol. Ok, one non direct geographical factor - Victoria's housing prices have resulted in more people living in condos and apartments than say Saskatoon.
I think we tend to overvalue the importance of metropolitan populations, particularly on SSP or SSP Canada (most people outside of narrow settings are only vaguely aware of them, and know that e.g. Toronto is bigger than Halifax or Victoria). The 1-1.5 million metros in Canada happen to span a narrower range of geography, Alberta to Ontario, instead of BC to NS. And the coastal areas tend to be distinct from inland, even though Canadians sometimes lump Eastern Canada or Western Canada into two blobs. Although it's true that there are those big-scale regional variations too basically between the newer and older halves of the country.

These skyline type pictures make cities seem more similar than they actually are at street level. Halifax and Victoria look very different from each other when you are walking around.
     
     
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Seems like such and abrupt right angle of skyscrapers to single storey (or short) buildings along Rene Levesque and Montagne/Mountain. (I am not familiar with the area in Montreal - I got the street names from Google)

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Ottawa and Hull from the Prince of Whales Bridge.
I much prefer that spelling.


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I much prefer that spelling.
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I think we tend to overvalue the importance of metropolitan populations, particularly on SSP or SSP Canada (most people outside of narrow settings are only vaguely aware of them, and know that e.g. Toronto is bigger than Halifax or Victoria). The 1-1.5 million metros in Canada happen to span a narrower range of geography, Alberta to Ontario, instead of BC to NS. And the coastal areas tend to be distinct from inland, even though Canadians sometimes lump Eastern Canada or Western Canada into two blobs. Although it's true that there are those big-scale regional variations too basically between the newer and older halves of the country.

These skyline type pictures make cities seem more similar than they actually are at street level. Halifax and Victoria look very different from each other when you are walking around.
Oddly enough my original comment was prompted by how different Halifax and Victoria look in the recent aerials posted.
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Oddly enough my original comment was prompted by how different Halifax and Victoria look in the recent aerials posted.
Yes but I took it to be a comment about the actual appearance diverging from the expectation that they should look similar, in part because they have similar metro populations. You said it was amazing that they were strikingly different, not that they were different just as one would expect for cities spanning 5,000 km.

I think the expectation depends on the starting point. One distinctly Canadian way to begin is city size or centre vs. periphery (with different regions having a different sense of that; and variant being "everything but my region is roughly the same", somewhat popular in Toronto, Quebec, and BC). You could instead start with history and geography. I find that Europeans tend to start from that perspective much more frequently. Actually Atlantic Canadians do too sometimes which leads to a weird situation where regionally people act as if the size difference between Halifax or Saint John or Charlottetown barely matters while people in Halifax will be amazed by the metropolitan wonders of Winnipeg or Ottawa.

In my (arbitrary and nonscientific) "theory of city size" the relationships are geometric instead of linear and there is a "king" effect that counts for one or two size hops. So we should think about halving and doubling of size, and role of the city, instead of just population numbers.
     
     
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Yes but I took it to be a comment about the actual appearance diverging from the expectation that they should look similar, in part because they have similar metro populations. You said it was amazing that they were strikingly different, not that they were different just as one would expect for cities spanning 5,000 km.
Oh it was definitely a comment about actual vs expectation. I think many people would expect small cities of similar size in a single country to be more similar in appearance (assuming there were other commonalities like coastal/harbour setting, provincial capital etc.) If I think of other countries I would be surprised to see that. For instance, Toulouse and Lyon both being inland river cities look very similar (to me) as aerials, as do Sheffield, Leeds and Birmingham. And they're not even that close in population! Definitely Canada's huge size and dates of population establishment make a striking difference.
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Seems like such and abrupt right angle of skyscrapers to single storey (or short) buildings along Rene Levesque and Montagne/Mountain. (I am not familiar with the area in Montreal - I got the street names from Google)
It's definitely an abrupt transition but it feels a little more natural when you're there in person because there is a steep escarpment, a railway and an expressway between the tall buildings and the 2-4 storey triplexes and rowhouses below. East of Mountain Street, the slope flattens out, the railway ends and the expressway enters a tunnel, and there is more of a gradient in density thanks to the new midrise development in Griffintown.
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