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Old Posted May 29, 2020, 7:55 AM
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This is going to dwarf the metro towers.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2020, 9:29 PM
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A couple pics of the market pit from last week. Background P8, foreground (can't really see) they are up to P6. You can also see the affordable housing tower is above grade now.



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Old Posted Jul 20, 2020, 4:54 AM
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Has probably been mentioned before, but why does this tower require EIGHT floors of underground parking? Is there something I am missing
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2020, 6:36 AM
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The tower has a lot of office space and previously had hotel space?
Commercial users often want reserved parking spaces.
... and the deep part is not over the entire site.
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2020, 6:56 PM
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Has probably been mentioned before, but why does this tower require EIGHT floors of underground parking? Is there something I am missing
Residential parking really only starts at P4. Only a few residential spaces on P3. Otherwise P1-P3 all office/retail/visitor.

Just over 1 residential space per unit I believe.
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2020, 6:58 PM
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getting assigned parking in P8 is going to 🞵🞵🞵🞵 bad
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2020, 10:05 PM
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Has probably been mentioned before, but why does this tower require EIGHT floors of underground parking? Is there something I am missing
It all comes down to Math and City by-law parking requirements.

Both hotel and office uses typically tend to require more parking because of how they're calculated which is different from how you would calculate the required parking for a purely residential (per unit)

For hotel (At least for the City of Vancouver - though City of Burnaby shouldn't be too dissimilar) it's about 1 parking space per dwelling unit (i.e hotel room) or one space per every two sleeping units and/or housekeeping units.
Which sounds similar to residential until you remember that a typical hotel room is smaller than a residential unit (average size for a decent class hotel would be between 300-325 sq. feet) . Which of course means that for a floor plate you can fit more hotel rooms than residential units despite the hotel spaces usually having higher floor-to-ceiling heights (and thus fewer hotel floors comparatively to residential floors for the same height).
More hotel rooms means more parking for each room..

Office spaces are calculated similar to any Retail use space, which is, per floor square area of office space (again for CoV it's 1 parking spot per 100 square meters or per 1,076 sq.ft of office space)

Quick math should tell you that for Office space you would need about one third the number of parking spots than Hotel space (Assuming an average hotel room size of 300-325 square feet which translates to about 20ftx15ft, and would include a full bathroom. This is generally accepted as the standard for an average hotel room size. You can find bigger, obviously, but I would have to assume that this wasn't going to be a 5 star hotel with all presidential suites).
So perhaps this might have been one of the reasons they switched from Hotel back to office? ( they would have required even more parking if they went with hotel and kept the same number of floors - assuming the same floor-to-floor heights for both (which the previous and present renders confirm) - and more parking = more excavation = more construction cost and $$$.

All speculation, obviously.

But that's a reason why you might see more developers more reluctant to build hotel components in their projects in the suburbs (especially so close to a Transit hub like Metrotown, where you hotel guests will almost invariably use the transit or taxis and not lease or have cars, leading to a lot of wasted parking slots that could have been construction savings instead, or parking for other uses.

It's puzzling why cities still require so much parking for hotel usage when logic would dictate that a large number of hotel guest likely may not be driving cars during their visits especially if they're staying at a hotel in the heart of a downtown core or as mentioned, at a transit hub like Metrotown.

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Old Posted Jul 20, 2020, 10:44 PM
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The new Executive Hotel on West Pender had 106 units and only 20 off-street parking spots. There was a 32 requirement but they are doing valet parking only so they got a variance.

5910 Cambie Hotel by Wall Fianancial has 88 parking stalls for the hotel component. 270 rooms with a 135 minimum parking requirement.
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Do we know if it's strata-titled office space? If so, market demands may favour one parking space per strata office unit
(ie if geared to professionals, the doctors or dentists would want parking spaces with their units).
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Took this one recently of Highline

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Old Posted Sep 11, 2020, 10:24 PM
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Nice one, thanks!
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2020, 11:49 PM
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From the presentation center:





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https://www.vansky.com/info/adfree/991571.html)
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2020, 12:47 AM
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That looks quite different from what I have been expecting based on renderings. It looks disportional.
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Thank you for the update, owenhujb. That model is impressive. The tower will be the tallest in Metrotown, I am assuming, with a 177 m height. The disproportionate elements I do not really see. I see that the design tends to flow quite well with the contiguous towers.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2020, 8:56 AM
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I think they are using te corner elements to ti the top and bottom together.
I would have preferred keeping them separate,.
It sort of looks like a variation of the prow or corner lantern style from 10 years ago.
But it IS tall! I do count 53 floors as noted in the thread title.
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So they must be building the 177m rendition since that is the model shown.
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I think they are using te corner elements to ti the top and bottom together.
I would have preferred keeping them separate,.
It sort of looks like a variation of the prow or corner lantern style from 10 years ago.
But it IS tall! I do count 53 floors as noted in the thread title.
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So they must be building the 177m rendition since that is the model shown.
To be fair, the physical model might have been commissioned while the design proposal was still for 53 storeys, and in the time since, the design has been reduced to 48 floors per recent documents (to go with the use change from hotel to office for the middle floors).

Projects undergo these sort of changes throughout the process even after construction has already began, that ultimately doesn't get reflected in earlier marketing material.

I mean, take a look at Sun Tower 1 just a couple of blocks over which for the longest time had been marketed and sold as going to be almost 50 storeys tall and potentially the tallest when it was done.
And now as the tower gets close to topping out we see it is or will be actually several storeys shorter than the initial marketing showed and even shorter than Metroplace next door which it seemed like it was going to be taller than.

It's not unusual for projects to lose floors and height along the way, if anything it's more the norm as costs get trimmed and the market gets re-assessed so I'd bet that they're probably going to end up with the shorter height (or lower floor count) rather than the higher count, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong when they do get done in a couple of years.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2020, 6:15 PM
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The website is currently showing the tower to be 48 floors. I imagine it would have been easier to correct the website than the model so I think its safe to say they are sticking with 48 floors. http://www.thind.ca/highline/the-tower/
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2020, 8:03 PM
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Thanks.
Had forgotten about the change.
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I can’t remember if this has been discussed. But is 48 floors the same height as 53 floors? Since the former includes office versus hotel (office having higher ceilings)
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