Great Canadian Skyline Thread II - Page 718

Acajack · #**14341** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 3:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

How does a person have so much time to troll all day and all night, when they supposedly have a project going in Vancouver that is so large that it requires the hiring of hundreds of people? It doesn’t add up.

Conspiracy theories and animus aside, I can confirm with quite a bit of certainty that Lio is who he claims to be.

Acajack · #**14342** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 3:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by stevanford1

Them being pretty is no matter, those buildings have historic value, a link to our past if you will. Raising them removes that link.

How do we make that work on a practical level, though?

Many old buildings are privately-owned, and are often costly to renovate.

Do we create government subsidy programs for the upkeep and renovation of any building that is older than X years old, regardless of architectural or other interest?

What about the cost of lost opportunities for property owners who might want to use the property to build something larger or more modern, but are forced by the law to keep the old character? Who pays for that?

Maldive · #**14343** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 3:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

Toronto by udo schuklenk, on Flickr

In the spirit of forum threads, it's clear that the Bloor neighbourhood alone is much bigger than Edmonton, and the gap will only grow... best of all the wooden shacks are hidden by the tree canopy.

Masoliantekw · #**14344** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 3:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

https://twitter.com/RuthBlakely/status/1306583612234461184

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

Toronto Morning. by Paulo Osorio, on Flickr

These pictures deserved a re-post.

Masoliantekw · #**14345** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 3:34 PM**

@pagarneau, sur Instagram

O-tacular · #**14346** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 3:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

How do we make that work on a practical level, though?

Many old buildings are privately-owned, and are often costly to renovate.

Do we create government subsidy programs for the upkeep and renovation of any building that is older than X years old, regardless of architectural or other interest?

What about the cost of lost opportunities for property owners who might want to use the property to build something larger or more modern, but are forced by the law to keep the old character? Who pays for that?

Toronto seems to be a case study in terrible historical preservation even with bylaws in place. Calgary has super weak bylaws and thus more parking lots for never completed projects than historical stock buildings. Even Montreal seems to be losing some of its character and charm to condo developments and hotels lately.

Not sure what the solution is, but the fact that lio dismisses anything less than 200 years old as not being worth preserving is problematic. Especially in younger Western provinces where 100 yo buildings are our heritage structures. I don't know what his properties look like, but his attitude seems typical of all cheap and greedy developers and or slumlords.

O-tacular · #**14347** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 3:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Masoliantekw

@pagarneau, sur Instagram

Quebec City is one of the few in the country that manages to build new stock that is modern but blends in nicely with its old neighbours.

Echoes · #**14348** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 3:38 PM**

https://twitter.com/JarisSwidrovich/status/1306459371207970820/photo/1

O-tacular · #**14349** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 3:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Conspiracy theories and animus aside, I can confirm with quite a bit of certainty that Lio is who he claims to be.

insert joke here...

O-tacular · #**14350** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 3:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Echoes

https://twitter.com/JarisSwidrovich/status/1306459371207970820/photo/1

Wow Toon town looks great! Love the building with blue lights and the art gallery.

Acajack · #**14351** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 3:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

Not sure what the solution is, but the fact that lio dismisses anything less than 200 years old as not being worth preserving is problematic. Especially in younger Western provinces where 100 yo buildings are our heritage structures. I don't know what his properties look like, but his attitude seems typical of all cheap and greedy developers and or slumlords.

Is he really saying that if it's not old enough, it's not worth saving, or is he saying that just because it's old doesn't mean it's automatically worth saving, and that other factors need to be considered?

In Ottawa in the 1980s IIRC there was a debate over the fate of the Daly Building, located right next to the Château Laurier so prime real estate. At the time it wasn't even 100 years old. But people wanted to save it as an example of Chicago-style architecture.

https://www.google.com/search?q=daly+bui...KHT8NCrUQ_AUoAnoECAsQBA&biw=1536&bih=722

Would Lio advocate its destruction because it wasn't old enough?

Would he agree with demolishing anything by Frank Lloyd Wright because almost none of it is even a century old?

We'd have to ask him.

esquire · #**14352** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 4:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

Wow Toon town looks great! Love the building with blue lights and the art gallery.

That is one of the best pictures of Saskatoon that I've ever seen... beautiful.

MolsonExport · #**14353** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 4:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Masoliantekw

@pagarneau, sur Instagram

Is that Edmonton?

suburbanite · #**14354** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 5:17 PM**

I think that's the grandest angle there is of Quebec, only missing the Edifice Price to round it out. Getting the full width of the seminary provides that feeling of old world grandeur that you don't really get in Canada.

someone123 · #**14355** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 5:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Is he really saying that if it's not old enough, it's not worth saving, or is he saying that just because it's old doesn't mean it's automatically worth saving, and that other factors need to be considered?

I can think of 3 main reasons to preserve historic buildings:

1) Famous aassociated personality or event (e.g. 1700's slave owner genocidaire born there)
2) Unusual age, says something about historical development of an area
3) Desirable architecture or construction

Reason (2) varies a lot from place to place. In the West you find log cabins from 1850 or so that are considered worth preserving just because they're all that's left from the pioneer era. On the eastern end of the continent that age alone does not make them interesting.

(3) is I think seriously undervalued, and we tear down a lot of 3's before they ever have a chance to become 2's or 1's.

lio45 · #**14356** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 5:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by niwell

Hey so we are literally posting on a page called "SkyscraperPage." In the Canada subforum at that. It's not exactly weird to think people would know the differences in skylines from even obscure pictures. (It was obviously St. John and Quebec City to me FWIW).

Like, I'm fairly certian lio is a car guy. There are definitely car forums out there who talk about things I have zero clue about but he probably knows extremely well. Saying the "average person" can't tell the difference isn't really saying much here. I dunno, this doesn't seem crazy?

The ability of (some people in) this community to turn anything into drama / a battle never ceases to amaze me.

Here's how this all started. (I know, because I started it.) I decided that since Chad isn't ignoring me anymore, he should be "rewarded" by friendly interaction, therefore I found a relevant question to ask (one that I've been mildly curious about for a while) after he posted a Calgary view in which, yet again, the Bow dominates.

I asked Calgarians how to explain the apparent (to me) fact that in most of the typical/classic/iconic views of Calgary, the Bow somehow always manages to look the biggest, often by a fair bit, despite not even being Calgary's tallest anymore.

(The number of possible explanations was limited - likely, the actual tallest was barely higher in the first place, and/or further behind when viewed from the more common angles, or else the Bow is on slightly higher ground and/or the actual tallest on slightly lower ground, etc.)

But I figured, this is a discussion forum, this thread isn't strictly only for skyline pics, conversation is okay and even encouraged, Chad is a Calgary tour guide and a Calgary expert, this candid question will generate a bit of friendly discussion and this forum will be the better for it

lio45 · #**14357** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 5:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

For fun, I went through a bunch of images with my partner who does not follow city developments. She can only identify Ottawa, Montreal, Winnipeg, Vancouver, Quebec City (not St-Foy) and Toronto (all places we've been to, except Toronto), with some difficulty at times. She was able to identify Alberta cities, but mixed up Edmonton and Calgary.

Little nitpick, but Ste-Foy is Quebec City. It's one of the main neighborhoods of the current city, actually.

Increasingly, the Quebec City CBD is in that neighborhood. It's already got the city's second-tallest tower, and will likely eventually have all of Quebec City's tallest towers.

lio45 · #**14358** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 5:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pavlov

Great photo of Edmonton. One of the best we've seen in this thread, I think.

If you photoshopped the Rockies in the background, I'm sure you could pass it off as Calgary

(In other words - yep, impressive pic of Edmonton.)

J.OT13 · #**14359** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 5:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Little nitpick, but Ste-Foy is Quebec City. It's one of the main neighborhoods of the current city, actually.

Increasingly, the Quebec City CBD is in that neighborhood. It's already got the city's second-tallest tower, and will likely eventually have all of Quebec City's tallest towers.

I'm aware. I meant to say my girlfriend can recognize the old part of Quebec City, but not the Ste-Foy area of Quebec City.

That said, even though many of our major cities have amalgamated with former independent suburbs, I do have a tendency to keep them separate. For example, when I post a picture of the Hull sector of Gatineau, I struggle to figure out if I'll refer to it as Hull, Gatineau or Hull sector of Gatineau. Whenever we go there, I say we're going to Hull, not Gatineau. I live in Orleans, but I work (pre-pandemic) in Ottawa and the Sens play in Kanata, even though it's all the same city.

lio45 · #**14360** Posted **Sep 17, 2020, 6:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Conspiracy theories and animus aside, I can confirm with quite a bit of certainty that Lio is who he claims to be.

For even greater confirmation, ask SSPer "le calmar". We know each other in person.

The Vancouver project runs extremely smoothly at the moment (surprisingly, not requiring that much supervision and constant involvement anymore) and will soon be wrapped up for the season anyway. (It's looking likely there will be subsequent phases next year and beyond, and I will probably not refuse, despite not being a fan of having to spend time in that city.)