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Old Posted Aug 25, 2020, 5:16 PM
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I am not sure about Google Pay, but Apple Pay does not work that way. It works with your financial institution to create a unique token that is tied to your account, not your your card (I believe the token changes for each transaction as well, to further reduce fraud). Because it uses bio-metric identity confirmation, the usual transaction limits for contactless payments are waved.

That is a valid point regardless, and it may still prevent debit from being used, unless your phone can confirm the account balance.
Google pay works in a similar way - it creates a new token that differs from the card number. The identifier, or at least a portion of it remains the same though, as retailers like Home Depot that attach emails to CC#s for e-receipts do see the same identifier every time. You also can't have open transit payments if the token changes each time you use it, as the system needs to track your taps and reconcile them at the end of the day when it processes the transactions.

Regardless of that though, my original point still stands. The new identifier still just emulates a VISA, MC, Amex or Interac card and the transaction is processed over their network like a regular card transaction. An Interac card on a phone should appear to the merchant just like any other interac card, at least at the level we're dealing with here.

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Why do you say that? Couldn't support for STO Multi cards also be added as a separate application on top of the local FareGo back-end. They might even be able to get access to its e-wallet (with an appropriate agreement with STO) since OC Transpo has control over the back-end.
As a big picture item, yes, Multi support could (theoretically) be added to the FareGo system just as PRESTO is. The issue I was getting at was actually the reverse. Right now, the Multi readers can read passes and transfers off of PRESTO cards. That's not possible with open payments, since the POP isn't stored on the card itself. The limited interoperability between the two systems is what has limited the use of daily and monthly capping on OC Transpo, as it would not be compatible with Multi.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2020, 5:48 PM
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As a big picture item, yes, Multi support could (theoretically) be added to the FareGo system just as PRESTO is. The issue I was getting at was actually the reverse. Right now, the Multi readers can read passes and transfers off of PRESTO cards. That's not possible with open payments, since the POP isn't stored on the card itself. The limited interoperability between the two systems is what has limited the use of daily and monthly capping on OC Transpo, as it would not be compatible with Multi.
That makes sense, but for all we know STO could also be adding the FareGo system and just haven't announced it yet. If so, the two systems could be programmed to talk to each other and you could have full interoperability between systems (including fare capping) for those using credit cards and Multi cards. PRESTO support could be kept (on the Ottawa side) for political reasons and backwards compatibility.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2020, 12:29 AM
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That makes sense, but for all we know STO could also be adding the FareGo system and just haven't announced it yet. If so, the two systems could be programmed to talk to each other and you could have full interoperability between systems (including fare capping) for those using credit cards and Multi cards. PRESTO support could be kept (on the Ottawa side) for political reasons and backwards compatibility.
I think STO is pretty set with Conduent, their current supplier. They're currently rolling out new readers from them (article in french):

https://www.iheartradio.ca/boom/boom-104...es-portes-arriere-sera-permis-1.10341979

This is modern equipment fully capable of open payments, but I imagine integration would be non-trivial.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2020, 1:01 PM
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At the moment, the limited integration between OC and STO isn't a big deal since transfers are mostly done by commuters who have a transit card, be it Presto or Multi. If they end up building the Aylmer-Hull tramway, especially if they build a full downtown loop, we'll start seeing a whole lot more tourists and locals using both systems as a legitimate mode of transportation to visit different destinations around the downtown areas.
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2020, 1:31 PM
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For those wondering why some windows in OC Transpo buses were screwed shut.

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Good morning. Exhaust was found to be entering the vehicle through open windows at the back of the articulated buses whenever they stopped, so the decision was made to screw them shut. I hope that helps!

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The two rear windows on each side of the bendy buses are screwed shut. Hybrid buses had windows in the front section that didn't open. Some NovaBuses were initially delivered with all windows screwed shut (since fixed). Remaining single-deck buses have windows that open.
And the wider conversation between OC Transpo and other Twitter users (about 15 responses):

https://twitter.com/OC_Transpo/status/1300452934065496065
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2020, 1:40 PM
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For those wondering why some windows in OC Transpo buses were screwed shut.

And the wider conversation between OC Transpo and other Twitter users (about 15 responses):

https://twitter.com/OC_Transpo/status/1300452934065496065
The new OC Transpo social media employee is wonderful. They have been much more responsive on twitter - providing feedback and updates on fixes quickly on a bunch of flagged issues.
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2020, 1:43 PM
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The new OC Transpo social media employee is wonderful. They have been much more responsive on twitter - providing feedback and updates on fixes quickly on a bunch of flagged issues.
In other words, don't get too attached because they might get fired...
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I feel like there's been a more general shift in OC Transpo's social media presence. I've gotten some responses from "DL" who has also been pretty helpful as of late.

Of course, WL is great regardless.
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2020, 2:29 PM
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For those wondering why some windows in OC Transpo buses were screwed shut.






And the wider conversation between OC Transpo and other Twitter users (about 15 responses):

https://twitter.com/OC_Transpo/status/1300452934065496065
I see people in the thread getting up in arms that this has never been confirmed officially, which lead me to two thoughts:

- Was this not always the reason? It's the only one I've ever heard, even if it might not have been confirmed.
- What obligation does OC have to make every decision they make public? People in that thread seem to think screwing the window shut was some sort of state secret. I don't expect an official confirmation on why they changed the seat design on the buses, why do we expect them to have a media campaign about this?
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2020, 2:36 PM
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I see people in the thread getting up in arms that this has never been confirmed officially, which lead me to two thoughts:

- Was this not always the reason? It's the only one I've ever heard, even if it might not have been confirmed.
- What obligation does OC have to make every decision they make public? People in that thread seem to think screwing the window shut was some sort of state secret. I don't expect an official confirmation on why they changed the seat design on the buses, why do we expect them to have a media campaign about this?
It's not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but if people have been complaining about this for years, OC Management could have taken a few minutes at any of the Transit Committee Meetings of the past, what, 10 years (?), to explain this.

I personally never complained about it, but it's nice to know and I'm satisfied with the answer.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2020, 6:35 PM
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Apparently, they are having issues with the mobile app. I used it to reload my card and it apparently nerfed my card. I had to go to the service centre at Rideau to get a new card. The lady there told them they have had issues with the app on multiple devices. They thought it was only the iPhone at first.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2020, 2:53 AM
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- What obligation does OC have to make every decision they make public?
For starters, they are a public body.

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I don't expect an official confirmation on why they changed the seat design on the buses, why do we expect them to have a media campaign about this?
If someone asks a public body a question, the public body should respond. It really is that simple. And OC Transpo has a horrific historical record of secrecy, though the new crop of social media people have started to turn their public-facing communication around.
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2020, 3:26 PM
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Q2 APTA ridership report is available now.
https://www.apta.com/wp-content/uploads/2020-Q2-Ridership-APTA.pdf

Ottawa is kind of in the middle of big Canadian cities in terms of ridership drops, and the Confederation Line is still not included in the report.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2020, 4:54 PM
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Good signs for LRT as Transpo nears financial crossroad with unpredictable ridership

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Publishing date: Sep 16, 2020 • Last Updated 19 hours ago • 4 minute read


The LRT system might be on track for an unprecedented period of stability with transit officials on Wednesday describing headway on the list of repairs, but there’s deep uncertainty on the horizon for OC Transpo as cooler months approach and loyal customers remain housebound because of the pandemic.

Transit commissioners received mostly good news about the state of the Confederation Line after general manager John Manconi opened a meeting saying “we have collectively made significant progress” fixing the $2.1-billion LRT system with a heightened level of commitment from the Rideau Transit Group (RTG) and affiliate Rideau Transit Maintenance (RTM).

RTG, which is still operating under a notice of contract default issued by the city in March, must have 15 trains on the line for peak-hour LRT service and the company has managed to maintain that level of service since Sept. 8.

When comparing the scheduled kilometres against the actual kilometres travelled by trains, September service so far had been operating over 98 per cent, which is exactly where Transpo wants to see it. One hundred per cent would be ideal, but Transpo knows high-90s is realistic.

Manconi said he hasn’t had to rip into the new management of RTG and RTM, signalling a turning point in the relationship between the city and the rail contractors. According to Manconi, there have been no disagreements over RTG’s maintenance priorities or the amount of resources.

Still, Manconi has contracted more expert consultants to weigh in on the progress of RTG’s remediation plan. He’s sending the bill to RTG.

Transpo’s director of operations, Troy Charter, described how RTG has improved the train brakes, overhead catenary system, train traction power, train doors, train auxiliary power supply and the train heating and cooling system.

LRT needs to win credibility in the winter. The period between last January and March saw the worst operations, with performance rates hitting as low as 88 per cent in January, largely attributed to vehicle power problems.

Charter said RTG is installing natural gas-powered heaters on track switches in three areas east of Tremblay Station where many of the switch problems happened last winter. In the west end, RTG is upgrading the electric heaters on track switches. The switches control train movements on the tracks and the heaters clear the snow and ice.

The stabilization of the LRT system brings financial implications for RTG, the city and fare-paying customers.

For RTG, it means the company is eligible to receive maintenance payments for meeting contracted service levels.

And for the city, it means considering if there will be an increase to 2020 fares, which city council has frozen because of the LRT problems.

Manconi said it’s premature to talk about a fare increase in 2020, but as the year winds down and the city attempts to lock in as much revenue certainty as possible, the transit prices will become a point of debate. A full calendar year without a previously planned 2.5-per-cent fare increase puts double the pressure on the 2021 budget, which in normal times would likely call for another modest increase.

The city’s budget process for the upcoming year usually begins in November.

Early indications suggest transit service won’t be trimmed to save money, even though ridership at the end of August was 33 per cent of what it usually would be at that time of year.

There’s no telling how many more transit riders will return as employers implement, or reduce, work-from-home regimes.

”We’re not bringing forward cuts as part of the (2021) budget,” Manconi said.

Coun. Riley Brockington pushed Manconi to have a financial plan to protect taxpayers, even if it means installing fewer rolls of toilet paper in washrooms.

The chair of the transit commission, Coun. Allan Hubley, dismissed Brockington’s musings about toilet paper savings during a post-meeting press conference, saying “we’re not into the weeds like that right now.”

Hubley said he’ll be looking for “flexibility” in the transit budget so Transpo can make adjustments if necessary.

Coun. Theresa Kavanagh wondered about the prospect of dipping further into the tax base to fund public transit, but it’s a major policy decision that would need to happen at city council. Transpo is currently funded half by transit fares and half by property taxes.

If the city doesn’t want to jack up fares or property taxes, and if Transpo doesn’t want to reduce service, the only way the agency will have money to maintain the same level of operations is if the upper governments send huge amounts of money.

The federal and provincial governments have done that for 2020, committing billions to help public transit agencies backfill their operational deficits because of COVID-19.

City management doesn’t know, however, if the other governments are prepared to backstop transit agencies for 2021 and beyond.

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Old Posted Sep 30, 2020, 3:37 PM
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New virtual museum celebrating 150 years of transit in the capital:

https://www.octranspo.com/en/virtual-museum/

The website includes some "Then and Now" images, including the Transitway vs Confederation Line.

Looks really cool. Could spend quite some time on there.
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2020, 5:24 PM
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^The new "parallax effect" image on the home page with the New Look bus and old streetcar is a nice touch.
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2020, 6:33 PM
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Throughout the 1920s, streetcars remained the preferred mode of transportation. They took passengers across the city to sporting and cultural events, church and work. In 1925, almost 100 kilometres of streetcar rails linked the city’s neighbourhoods. But buses slowly gained popularity. Residents found them quieter and less prone to breaking down, clogging city streets.
I find that hard to believe. The trams in Toronto are way quieter than the buses.
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2020, 8:44 PM
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Reminds me of the documentary: "Taken for a Ride" (1996; Director: Jim Klein)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0236785/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taken_for_a_Ride
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2020, 10:18 PM
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I think older historic trams were way louder than current ones.
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2020, 3:24 AM
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I think older historic trams were way louder than current ones.
I agree, though it probably wasn’t so much the trans but the track. These days they will use continuous welded rail but back then it would have been jointed rail, so the trams would have gone clickety clack. On top of that, it would have been laid by hand, so the alignment wouldn’t have been to as tight a tolerance.
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