Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[scryer]

Originally Posted by MIPS

I could of sworn we had a separate thread for this the last time it happened but after 10 minutes of searching I guess I'll just leave this here.

Cable of B.C.'s Sea-to-Sky Gondola deliberately cut for 2nd time


Someone's got balls to sabotage the lift twice now.

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I mean it's not hard to create a profile of the idiot doing it. And whatever security they have setup is obviously not sufficient.

Someone's got balls to hold a management/owner position, and not beef up security for at least 2 years after a terrorist incident.

...Could also be an inside job; any idea if their insurance has got a nice pay out (yeah, right) or if the Sea to Sky Gondola has been in financial trouble for the last two years? Fool me once...

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by scryer

Someone's got balls to hold a management/owner position, and not beef up security for at least 2 years after a terrorist incident.

1 year, and they did. It's stated in the article (and quoted) that a pile of money was dumped into extra security, but there's only so much you can do when a proximity alarm and a camera halfway up a mountain spots something. Likewise as also stated they are restricted on how much security they can be provided as they intersect a provincial park.

[chowhou]

According to News1130:

'“We’ve got clear imagery of what happened,” [Brown] says, adding most of his team had not been made aware of what happened as of 7:00 a.m. Monday.

News1130

Someone's into a massive civil suit soon, hopefully.

[dreambrother808]

Yes, people are assuming that they don’t have the evidence they need. The security system might not be able to prevent this happening but hopefully it has ensured they catch the culprit.

What is the motivation anyways? Is this an environmental objection? I’m confused.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by MIPS

1 year, and they did. It's stated in the article (and quoted) that a pile of money was dumped into extra security, but there's only so much you can do when a proximity alarm and a camera halfway up a mountain spots something. Likewise as also stated they are restricted on how much security they can be provided as they intersect a provincial park.

I know there's maintenance access issues, but the ladder doesn't help.

[MIPS]

What's your point here? The same photo shows a brand new pole mounted camera and a giant warning about live monitoring. If someone was this dedicated to cut the line again, the need for a temporary ladder let alone a security cover over the main ladder would of changed nothing. By the time anyone could get up there they were long gone.
Assuming that was the site of the cut (and it likely isn't, since that cable would of SCREAMED down and up the mountain when it was cut), odds are they got a very good video of the act.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I know there's maintenance access issues, but the ladder doesn't help.[/IMG]

Seeing that ladder makes me immediately question why there doesn't seem to be any ladder security like an access door. All that security spending and they couldn't just block/retract the ladder?

[officedweller]

At least one of these:


http://www.feedandgrain.com/product/ladder-security-door

[officedweller]

TransLink unveils new Dr. Bonnie Henry Compass Card


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/translink-compass-card-bonnie-henry

[scottN]

Originally Posted by officedweller

At least one of these:


http://www.feedandgrain.com/product/ladder-security-door

If you come prepared, a ladder door like that will only slow you down by 30 seconds or so. The water survey cable car across the squamish river is protected much more seriously, and mountaineers regularly climb it to cross the river on the cable. And presumably a would be vandal has less regard for "not damaging anything" than typical climbers.

[officedweller]

That's 30 seconds more on videotape while the person takes it down,
maybe with different angles of the person's face as the person moves around.
.. and it's only a few hundred dollars.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by officedweller

At least one of these:


http://www.feedandgrain.com/product/ladder-security-door

I'm pretty sure whoever has the tools to cut the gondola cable can use those tools to defeat that security door.

[officedweller]

See post just above.

[ilikeredheads]

that extra 30s on camera means nothing, and that's assuming the camera is close enough to see their face clearly. What's more likely is that the perpetrator will wear some sort of mask to make it hard to identify them. These ladder security doors do nothing to deter vandals.

[officedweller]

Yeah, but why leave it easy (for negligible cost).
You could say the same about locking up bikes, houses, etc.
If they want in, they'll get in.

ie.
Vancouver bike theft with angle grinder this year:
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/police-seeking-bik...ht-on-camera-grinding-the-lock-1.4964685

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

What is the motivation anyways? Is this an environmental objection? I’m confused.

Could be environmentalism, could be NIMBYism, could be a disgruntled worker.

Without trying to confuse the issue, apparently* the owners/developers were real pieces of work - broke labour laws, fired people all over the place, bypassed safety training and OSHA standards that led to multiple severe injuries including a broken back, sued anybody who spoke up and swept it all under the rug. A very upset ex-worker may be going for an /r/nuclearrevenge.

*Reddit comment; your mileage may vary.

[jollyburger]

Next time install some fake ladder rungs as a practical joke.

They designed their security to catch some Instagram thrill seekers when they needed to design it for someone actively trying to bring down the gondolas. Maybe there isn't any good solution except for catching the person.

Also there was this story about the construction, not saying that the other stuff didn't happen.

Stéphane Perron was the first aid attendant on the worksite and kept a point-and-click camera in his pocket. In the book, titled The Making of the Sea to Sky Gondola and Summit Lodge, he follows the project from site clearing to completion. Like the gondola ride itself, and the walk over the suspension bridge, some of the photos will induce stomach-dropping anxiety in those susceptible.

In the book, Perron notes that there were few accidents during the construction, but an enormous flatbed truck mired at a 45-degree angle in West Coast sludge gives a hint at some of the challenges faced by the team.

https://www.squamishchief.com/community/the-makers-of-the-sea-to-sky-gondola-1.23318708

[officedweller]

I was thinking electrified rungs.

[waves]

They should have a sensor that can measure vibrations in the cable while the system is off. An angle grinder or saw would definitely create something measurable. As soon as it detects vibrations, auto-start the gondola. If the cable is moving, you can't cut it.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by waves

They should have a sensor that can measure vibrations in the cable while the system is off.

You'd need something smart enough to distinguish between a grinder, high winds, earthquakes, etc. It's a very specific need and chances are there's nothing off the shelf that would work.