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The feds don't really have a national highway program. Projects are all funded on an ad hoc basis. Though stuff like A85 due to being part of the TCH and an interprovincial route has an attentive ear and they tend to pony up.

There is or was an NCR-specific road and highway program but not sure if more recent segments of the A50 located within the NCR limits got any federal funding.

I know some previous segments decades ago did get federal money.
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This highway is a death trap...just twin it for pete's sakes

1 dead, 1 injured in Highway 50 crash
Happened Sunday afternoon near Grenville-sur-la-Rouge, Que.
CBC News · Posted: Oct 06, 2019 5:11 PM ET | Last Updated: an hour ago

The Sûreté du Québec are investigating after a head-on crash on Highway 50 Sunday afternoon involving this truck and a recreational vehicle.

One person died and another suffered serious injuries in a head-on crash Sunday on Highway 50 in western Quebec.

The collision happened at around 1 p.m. near the town of Grenville-sur-la-Rouge, Que.

According to the Sûreté du Québec, the driver of a truck left their lane and collided with an oncoming RV.

Both drivers were rushed to hospital with major injuries, police said.

The driver of the RV, a 50-year-old man from the Montreal suburb of Mirabel, was pronounced dead late Sunday afternoon.

First responders stand near an RV that was involved in a head-on collision on Highway 50 near Grenville-sur-la-Rouge, Que., on Oct. 6, 2019.

As of 6:30 p.m., Highway 50 was still closed between exits 233 and 239 for the investigation.

Safety on the two-lane highway between Gatineau and the Montreal area has been an ongoing concern, with the province of Quebec planning to install cable barriers upon a stretch of the highway closer to Gatineau in an attempt to reduce the number of collisions.

The SQ has asked Highway 50 drivers to slow down following a summer that saw two people killed and 18 injured.


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At first I was like, “Did MTQ put up median barriers?” Then I realized it was another segment.

I thought ON-417 with the higher speed limit should attract drivers from Gatineau and Grenville (Hawkesbury) though.
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At first I was like, “Did MTQ put up median barriers?” Then I realized it was another segment.

I thought ON-417 with the higher speed limit should attract drivers from Gatineau and Grenville (Hawkesbury) though.
There is currently a poll on a Facebook page that features local Gatineau news. They're asking if people take the 50 or the 417 to go to Montreal.

It's about 65-35 for the 50. (Last time I checked.)

I almost always take the 50 personally, given where I live.
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Apparently that fatal A-50 crash on the weekend was a deliberate act.
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Apparently that fatal A-50 crash on the weekend was a deliberate act.
WTF!? To prove a point??

The Liberal opposition is complaining about the proposed wire barriers as they are not designed for highways with no median, but honestly anything is better than the current death trap.

The main objective of these barriers would be to prevent head-on crashes caused by idiots trying to pass other cars, and maybe a few people who deviate due to tiredness or loss of control. These barriers will be 100% effective for the first group and adequate for the second group. As a temporary solution for the problem at hand (until the highway is twinned), I'm satisfied. No use wasting another year for "studies".
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Are there passing lanes like they have on Highway 17?
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WTF!? To prove a point??
Suicide I guess.
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The Liberal opposition is complaining about the proposed wire barriers as they are not designed for highways with no median, but honestly anything is better than the current death trap.

The main objective of these barriers would be to prevent head-on crashes caused by idiots trying to pass other cars, and maybe a few people who deviate due to tiredness or loss of control. These barriers will be 100% effective for the first group and adequate for the second group. As a temporary solution for the problem at hand (until the highway is twinned), I'm satisfied. No use wasting another year for "studies".
I agree with this.

It's a bit rich to have someone like Gaétan Barrette, considering what his old job was, all of a sudden showing concern for the well-being of people in the Outaouais.
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Are there passing lanes like they have on Highway 17?
Yes. At first glance there are more of them than on Highway 17 west of Ottawa.
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The last time I took the 50 back from Montreal a superbike rode down the rumble strip on the 'median' between opposing traffic and towards me at somewhere well upwards of 200km/h fleeing the police. 600 lbs of metal plus driver passing two feet away from my head on an uneven surface at a combined speed far beyond 300 km/h.

Scared the shit out of me. I don't take the 50 anymore.
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Suicide I guess.
If it was, it didn't work (not yet anyway)

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One dead after Hwy. 50 collision that police believe was intentional

Tom Spears, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: October 7, 2019


One man is dead and another was severely injured in a head-on collision that police describe as a deliberate act of ramming.

The crash Sunday afternoon on Quebec’s Highway 50 was near Grenville-sur-la-Rouge, across the Ottawa River from Hawkesbury, on a two-lane, undivided highway.

The highway remained closed through most of Sunday.

Sûreté du Québec investigators say that a pickup truck was travelling east when for unknown reasons the driver veered into the westbound lane and hit a recreational vehicle travelling toward the pickup. The RV driver, Robert Campion, 59, of Mirabel, died later in hospital.

The pickup driver, a man in his early 30s, had to be cut free from the wreckage but survived. He was in critical but stable condition.

Police believe that the crash was a deliberate ramming, but investigators are still at work and police say they do not know why the incident occurred.

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Highway 50 barrier suffers malfunction hours after installation
High-tension steel cable came loose and collapsed, Transportation Ministry confirms

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Posted: Jul 17, 2020 3:42 PM ET | Last Updated: 7 hours ago




A safety barrier designed to prevent head-on collisions along a deadly stretch of Highway 50 in western Quebec must be dismantled and reinstalled just hours after being put in, the province's Transportation Ministry says.

The 5.4-kilometre section of Highway 50 near Buckingham, between the end of the divided autoroute and chemin Doherty, has gained a lethal reputation over the years. The high-tension cable barrier was installed as a pilot project in an attempt to cut down on the number of fatal collisions there.

The ministry says one of the steel cables that makes up the barrier loosened and collapsed Thursday, barely eight hours after it was installed.

"One of the tensioners that maintains tension in one of the cables of the barrier had failed," said ministry spokesperson Rosalie Faubert. "Quite simply, the cable lost its tension, and in some sections it touched the ground."

Faubert said the ministry isn't ruling out the possibility that an error was made during the initial installation of the cable, which is intended to act like an elastic band when struck by a vehicle, minimizing impact while preventing it from crossing into oncoming traffic.

Faubert said each of the tensioners responsible for tightening the cables will be disassembled and then reassembled over the next few days to evaluate their condition and to "ensure that this situation does not happen again."

Despite the failure of one cable, Faubert said the safety barrier would still do its job in the event of a collision.

"The [barrier] was functional, since the other two cables still perform their protective role," she said.

The collapsed cable had been reinstalled by Friday morning, but the bigger job of reinstalling all the tensioners will eventually require the complete closure of that section of Highway 50.

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We need to replace the median cable in the Scandinavian design with a concrete barrier. Other than that, it might actually work. Once A50’s completely twinned, it will need a concrete barrier in most places anyway.
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Swedish road design could mean fewer deadly head-on collisions on Highway 50 near Gatineau
Alarmed by the death toll between 2012 and 2019, Quebec transportation officials adapted an innovation from Sweden in a bid to reduce head-on crashes there by 96 per cent.

Elizabeth Payne, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Sep 12, 2020 • Last Updated 6 hours ago • 3 minute read




It is just a 5.4 km stretch of highway, but Canadian road safety advocates see recent changes to Highway 50 near Gatineau as a path to a future with fewer deadly head-on crashes.

Between 2012 and 2019 there were five fatal and four serious crashes on the mainly two-lane stretch of Highway 50 east of Gatineau, said a spokesperson for Quebec’s transportation ministry. Alarmed by that toll, Quebec transportation officials adapted an innovation from Sweden that the province says will reduce head-on crashes on the stretch of road by 96 per cent.

The province plans to widen the section of Highway 50 to four lanes in the next three years, but didn’t want to wait until then to make it safer. Earlier this year, Quebec’s transportation ministry installed a cable barrier between the two lanes in addition to other steps such as improved signs and lighting, moves the province says will dramatically reduce crossover head-on crashes. Research and experience from other countries supports that.



The work, which was done relatively quickly and cheaply without major modification to the road, was complete this summer.

Road safety advocates, such as Mark Wilson of Tamiskaming Shores, Ont., have long pressed provincial governments to follow the lead of Sweden and other countries and do what Quebec has now done on Highway 50 using cable barrier. So far, the 5.4 km stretch of Highway 50 is the only one of its kind in Canada.

But cable barriers and other separations are used widely in other parts of the world along with so-called two-plus-one highway designs that include alternating passing lanes.

Wilson, whose teenaged son died as a result of a crossover head-on crash on two-lane Highway 11 near New Liskeard in 2011, has made it his mission in life to learn about and lobby to bring such safety innovations to Canada. He works with a local group GEMS (Going the Extra Mile for Safety), which has been pressing the Ontario government to create a two-plus-one road pilot project in northern Ontario where two-lane highways are common, and crash rates are significantly higher than the rest of the province.

He has spent his vacations travelling to Sweden and elsewhere to research the traffic safety measures and drive the highways.

In August, the Quebec government invited him to come see the completed work on Highway 50 for himself.

Wilson said he was “really encouraged” to see the work done on Highway 50.

“This is the model that really started in Sweden,” he said. “To see that kind of a model in Canada was great. It really is the first of its kind.”

The flexible cable prevents cars from crossing over into an oncoming lane and restricts dangerous passing, both of which can cause head-on crashes, which are responsible for a majority of traffic related deaths every year.

Concrete barriers between oncoming lanes of traffic require a larger median. The advantage of cable barriers is that they can be built on narrow medians, allowing the model to be used widely without major, costly road reconstruction.

Wilson, whose group has met with Ontario’s transportation minister Carolyn Mulroney and others has proposed a two-plus one pilot project. He said he is optimistic that the Gatineau-area highway project will encourage Ontario to try something similar.

The Highway 50 project is not a true two-plus-one highway, he said. It has alternating passing lanes on some, but not all, stretches. In some parts it is simply two lanes divided by a cable barrier. In Sweden and elsewhere, two-plus-one roads build a third lane on alternating sides of the highway to allow for easier passing. They are significantly cheaper and faster to build, and cost on average about one-quarter or one-third of the cost of twinning a highway.

Importantly for Wilson and other road safety advocates, it represents putting safety first, something critics say Canadian officials do too seldom.

“When you talk about crossover collisions, the odds of dying are so much higher than with same direction collisions. What you are trying to do is prevent those crashes or make them a lot less severe,” he said.

That model has been widely adopted, he noted, but not in North America.

“This is a good start.”

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We need to replace the median cable in the Scandinavian design with a concrete barrier. Other than that, it might actually work. Once A50’s completely twinned, it will need a concrete barrier in most places anyway.
Careful. The real innovation with these is they are 'as good or better' as an equivalently sized concrete barrier, without having the cost or weight of concrete. My understanding is the real innovation lies in the very minimal roadwork and construction time required to set them up.

The core idea of these devices is to prevent cars from using the other lane to cross, or in (hopefully unintentional circumstances) where a car where to drift into the opposite lane, it can't.
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We need to replace the median cable in the Scandinavian design with a concrete barrier. Other than that, it might actually work. Once A50’s completely twinned, it will need a concrete barrier in most places anyway.
I really doubt we'll see concrete barriers before the highway is fully twinned.

It will be the metal cables and then the highway will be twinned, probably with a grassy median. Though some sections might get concrete barriers as well.
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I'm quite happy with the cables. They've already prevented a few head-on collisions (two I believe, one involving a semi). The Quebec Liberals criticize everything the CAQ does, but at least the CAQ is doing something (note, I do not agree with all CAQ policies, but they pay far more attention to the Outaouais).
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I drove back on Hwy 50 from Montreal last week, I was stunned to see the traffic volume (and danger), I would estimate more cars/trucks on 50 than 417
However it does have really amazing vistas at some points, especially West of Grenville
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