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Old Posted Aug 25, 2020, 8:28 PM
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I agree that's a problem that's NEEDS to be solved but we need the a proper loop which is why Tache needs to happen
I'd like to see a Circle Line around the two downtowns.
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I'd like to see a Circle Line around the two downtowns.
That is what we will eventually have I believe
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Doesn't that reinforce the case for the tunnel under Sparks, though? If the downtown infrastructure will eventually accommodate 2 and possibly even 3 LRT lines, wouldn't the tunnel make more sense to minimize potential surface level disturbances and to maximize capacity and reliability for that section?
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2020, 2:01 PM
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The Plateau branch won't use Allumetières; the line splits at St-Raymond and Tâché.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/sto-tramway-lrt-gatineau-ottawa-1.5446921
I still believe we need to also use Prince of Wales in addition to the new crossing as well - but I agree with the plan
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Would it make more sense to have a station at the National Gallery instead? It would capture residents in the lower market and spread stations out a bit, as well as servicing the Bruyere hospital and public sector employees on Sussex.
That is a very interesting idea and it could work with the traffic patterns around it
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New piece of information from the NCC presentation. It seems Portage will have to go through a significant rebuild to accommodate the tramway due to the increased load. I’m a little surprised to hear that considering how few trams will cross compared to buses and cars presently.

NCC Board Members’ opinion seem to be mostly positive. Support for surface vs. tunnel seemed to be about 50/50 from those who commented.
I think the goal is to eventually phase out all bus traffic on the bridges and get everyone on the O-Train which is what the goal is in downtown Toronto, Montreal and so on
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2020, 2:11 PM
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When the Gatineau O-Train is complete, we really need to push for immediate consolidation of STO and OCTranspo. Many of these problems for future lines and timing issues would be solved right away and it would open up serious new opportunities for better/more beneficial alignments and allow Ottawa to really become an international destination.
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A tunnel under Sparks does not have to be so deep, it can even be cut-and-cover. The only reason the O-Train tunnel is so deep is that it had to go under the Rideau Canal.

There could also be several new entrances and a separate concourse with a fair paid connection, improving access greatly even to Wellington street. The station could even be renamed either Archives or Justice which are both bilingual.

Here's a possible scenario:


I think it could go just up to Lyon, an extension to Parliament is rather extravagant when it is well within walking distance. Or if it did, it could be just a single track / single platform station at Parliament so the train could switch tracks.
Could you design a graphic that would include the Bank Street Tunnel as well? And I love your graphics as well?

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The Conductor, could you kindly refrain from routinely double, triple, septuple-posting? There's an edit button, you can use it to add additional thoughts once you've made one post. Cheers mate.
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The Conductor, could you kindly refrain from routinely double, triple, septuple-posting? There's an edit button, you can use it to add additional thoughts once you've made one post. Cheers mate.
Thank you!
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2020, 3:26 PM
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Could you design a graphic that would include the Bank Street Tunnel as well? And I love your graphics as well?
Would the connection between Sparks and Queen Street be inside the Place de Ville complex, or would it be made in the podium building basement?
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Would the connection between Sparks and Queen Street be inside the Place de Ville complex, or would it be made in the podium building basement?
Good Day.

It's all early days yet, with all being theoretical until they get to preliminary advanced design (ie: before contracting it).

If - IF - they go underground with a station at Lyon (and Parl), the exact positioning will go a long way to determine how and where the connection to the C-Line will be built.

Long Time Wait to See !
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the exact positioning will go a long way to determine how and where the connection to the C-Line will be built.
We need to push the city to keep moving this idea forward, now is the time to get it done
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Would the connection between Sparks and Queen Street be inside the Place de Ville complex, or would it be made in the podium building basement?
Place de Ville would be choice but I'm open to either
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The STO released their public consultation report. There is a bunch of stuff that is fairly interesting to dig into, but the key finding is that respondents preferred the proposed options in the following order:
  1. Sparks Street tunnel (60%)
  2. Wellington Street surface, with no general traffic from Bank-Elgin (24%)
  3. Wellington Street surface, with general traffic accommodated (13%)

Its clear the consultation sent a strong message that the populace is pro-tunnel. It will be interesting to see how this effects the outcome of the study. And, if the study decides to go with a Wellington surface option, how the study team will justify that choice.

Source: http://www.sto.ca/fileadmin/user_upload/..._STO_ANGLAIS_-_7_ao%C3%BBt_2020_-_vf.pdf
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The only opinion that matters is that of the NCC. I look forward to them settling the discussion and putting it under Sparks.
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The STO released their public consultation report. There is a bunch of stuff that is fairly interesting to dig into, but the key finding is that respondents preferred the proposed options in the following order:
  1. Sparks Street tunnel (60%)
  2. Wellington Street surface, with no general traffic from Bank-Elgin (24%)
  3. Wellington Street surface, with general traffic accommodated (13%)

Its clear the consultation sent a strong message that the populace is pro-tunnel. It will be interesting to see how this effects the outcome of the study. And, if the study decides to go with a Wellington surface option, how the study team will justify that choice.

Source: http://www.sto.ca/fileadmin/user_upload/..._STO_ANGLAIS_-_7_ao%C3%BBt_2020_-_vf.pdf
O-Train tunnel is my choice!
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2020, 8:53 PM
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The STO released their public consultation report. There is a bunch of stuff that is fairly interesting to dig into, but the key finding is that respondents preferred the proposed options in the following order:
  1. Sparks Street tunnel (60%)
  2. Wellington Street surface, with no general traffic from Bank-Elgin (24%)
  3. Wellington Street surface, with general traffic accommodated (13%)

Its clear the consultation sent a strong message that the populace is pro-tunnel. It will be interesting to see how this effects the outcome of the study. And, if the study decides to go with a Wellington surface option, how the study team will justify that choice.

Source: http://www.sto.ca/fileadmin/user_upload/..._STO_ANGLAIS_-_7_ao%C3%BBt_2020_-_vf.pdf
Let's call it the O-Train but change the colour of the iconic "O" from Red to Blue so tourism know the Blue Line is Gatineau and the Red line Ottawa
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2020, 9:56 PM
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Residents prefer Sparks Street tunnel for STO tramway, survey says

OBJ, September 1, 2020

A “strong majority” of Ottawa and Gatineau residents want a proposed electric tramway connecting the two cities to run in a tunnel under Sparks Street rather than above ground on Wellington Street, according to a recent online survey.

That’s one of the key findings in an interim report on the tramway proposal that’s slated to be presented at Wednesday’s Ottawa transportation committee meeting. The city staff re-port looked at various aspects of the Société de transport de l'Outaouais’ proposal to build a rapid transit system that would link western Gatineau with the downtown cores of both Gatineau and Ottawa.

The STO plan calls for two key transit corridors in Gatineau, along Boulevard des Allumettières/Plateau and along Chemin d’Aylmer and Boulevard Alexandre Taché. The tramway would then cross into Ottawa at the Portage Bridge and travel along one of two proposed paths: along Wellington Street in a route that would include three stations, or through a tunnel underneath Sparks Street that would feature two stations.

In an online survey of 1,500 residents of Ottawa and Gatineau conducted from mid-June to mid-July, most respondents said they preferred a tunnel to an above-ground tramway. The option of a Wellington Street route closed to all other traffic between Bank and Elgin streets garnered slightly more support than an alternate plan that would keep at least one lane open to vehicles.

In addition, nearly half of all residents said they were concerned an above-ground system would block views of Parliament Hill and damage the esthetics of the Parliamentary

Esthetics a concern for councillors

“Nearly half (48 per cent) of Ottawa/Ontario respondents do not agree that a tramway on Wellington is compatible with preserving the image and heritage value of the Nation’s Capital and Parliament Hill,” the report said.

Capital Coun. Catherine McKenney and Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury, whose wards include the proposed routes, also said esthetics were a factor in their backing of the tunnel option.

“For the various scenarios being contemplated, I believe that underground options are desirable as they are less visible and offer opportunities to improve surface beautification,” Fleury said.

Planners say a new rapid-transit link would significantly reduce the amount of traffic congestion in downtown Ottawa and Gatineau.

“Regardless of which corridor is selected, traffic modelling suggests that the addition of a more efficient public transit system (like the tram) connecting Gatineau to Ottawa would reduce the total vehicular demand during peak periods by approximately 15-20 per cent,” the report says.

The Wellington Street option would require a “full reconstruction” of the busy downtown thoroughfare, the report notes. Three stations would be built at or near Lyon, Bank and Elgin streets, and planners are proposing a pedestrian tunnel to link the Lyon tram and LRT stations.

While the route would be cheaper and easier to build than a tunnel under Sparks Street, the report notes it would “significantly” impede access to the Parliamentary precinct, disrupt the “visual esthetics” of Confederation Boulevard and create more pedestrian traffic on an already busy street.

'All-tram' vs. 'hybrid' options

“The feasibility of the Wellington option hinges on whether many of the (Parliamentary) accesses can be closed and consolidated,” the report says. “(Public Services and Procurement Canada) is assessing this proposal as part of their long-term planning.”

Meanwhile, staff concluded that a 1.2-kilometre tunnel under Sparks Street with stations at Lyon Street and between O’Connor and Metcalfe streets would be “feasible,” but said the plan also has a number of “constraints.”

Noting that underground infrastructure such as the combined sewer storage tunnel would have to be avoided or relocated, the report said the overall cost of a tunnel would be much higher than the Wellington Street option, while the street’s narrow right-of-way of only 17 to 18 metres would limit design options.

The STO is also proposing two operational options for the system ​– an “all-tram” scenario that would reduce the number of Gatineau buses crossing the river to Ottawa by about 70 per cent, or a “hybrid” scenario that would use trams on one of the Gatineau corridors and buses on the other. Under that plan, the number of Gatineau buses in Ottawa’s downtown would be cut by between 30 and 45 per cent.

The report notes that the City of Ottawa likely won’t be expected to fork over any money for the tramway.

“Full funding to implement this project has not been confirmed and STO expects that the federal and provincial governments will cover all capital costs,” staff say.

Ottawa city council is expected to decide on its preferred plan for the tramway system at a meeting in November.
https://obj.ca/article/local/city-hall/r...street-tunnel-tramway-system-survey-says
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While it would be kind of cool to see trams/streetcars running on the street, I agree it might ruin the aesthetic. The nicest option would of course be underground and having Lyon LRT linked to it, but obviously thats much more expensive.
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