Highway 1 Fraser Valley Phase 1: 216th Interchange | Compleated - Page 6

connect2source · #**101** Posted **Aug 23, 2020, 2:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

Pretty ridiculous a project as "small" as this took over 3 years to build.

Here's proof back in 2017 of construction starting:
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.1533453,...ixg!2e0!5s20170701T000000!7i13312!8i6656

True, drove through the stretch Thursday on the way back from the Rockies, seemed like we were through it in about 2 minutes, will make almost no difference to the commute times IMO.

libtard · #**102** Posted **Aug 23, 2020, 9:22 PM**

The problem isn’t with the length of time it took to build. Many similar sized highway projects in the US take this long or longer to complete. What’s important is that’s it’s built to high design standards. I’m curious why they went with concrete jersey barriers on the inside shoulders instead of steel guard rails. The guard rails allow are proven to be safer on impact and for day to day driving they allow debris to pass by them and into the center divider instead of ricocheting back at drivers.

giallo · #**103** Posted **Aug 24, 2020, 12:21 AM**

I had no idea it was originally supposed to go to Abbotsford. Like, why change that? Hwy 1 from Chilliwack to Surrey is a parking lot. The amount of fossil fuels burning while cars still idle, and the amount of productivity wasted in traffic jams surely would be enough to convince even the NDP that road widening needs to go all the way to Abbotsford. What was their reasoning for the change?

Apparently, the 6km widening is supposed to be complete in 2026. So, 1.2km per year.

Alex Mackinnon · #**104** Posted **Aug 24, 2020, 5:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by libtard

The problem isn’t with the length of time it took to build. Many similar sized highway projects in the US take this long or longer to complete. What’s important is that’s it’s built to high design standards. I’m curious why they went with concrete jersey barriers on the inside shoulders instead of steel guard rails. The guard rails allow are proven to be safer on impact and for day to day driving they allow debris to pass by them and into the center divider instead of ricocheting back at drivers.

The metal ones also act like a cheese grater for motorcyclists.

libtard · #**105** Posted **Aug 24, 2020, 6:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

The metal ones also act like a cheese grater for motorcyclists.

Motorcyclists make up less than 0.1% of traffic. The other 99.9% metal guardrails are more effective

Jimbo604 · #**106** Posted **Aug 24, 2020, 7:20 PM**

Why does it take over three years to fill in the center of a highway median and pave it for just sixteen blocks. And it still isn't done yet. Mind boggling!

Klazu · #**107** Posted **Aug 24, 2020, 7:49 PM**

I think the new overpass had something to do with it as well but I agree everything moving at snail pace

logicbomb · #**108** Posted **Aug 24, 2020, 10:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jimbo604

Why does it take over three years to fill in the center of a highway median and pave it for just sixteen blocks. And it still isn't done yet. Mind boggling!

Crooked contractors and unions
Ridiculous environmental studies and considerations
Restrictions on noise at certain periods of the day

officedweller · #**109** Posted **Aug 24, 2020, 10:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by giallo

I had no idea it was originally supposed to go to Abbotsford. Like, why change that? Hwy 1 from Chilliwack to Surrey is a parking lot. The amount of fossil fuels burning while cars still idle, and the amount of productivity wasted in traffic jams surely would be enough to convince even the NDP that road widening needs to go all the way to Abbotsford. What was their reasoning for the change?

Apparently, the 6km widening is supposed to be complete in 2026. So, 1.2km per year.

I don't think traffic back-ups through to Abbotsford and Chilliwack have been as bad since the New Port Mann Bridge opened up.

s211 · #**110** Posted **Aug 24, 2020, 11:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

I don't think traffic back-ups through to Abbotsford and Chilliwack have been as bad since the New Port Mann Bridge opened up.

Fewer back-ups MAYBE, but wow the bob and weave traffic through those two lane sections are downright dangerous.

Seems to be quite sucky/blowy of the NDP to remove tolls on the bridge, effectively encouraging traffic and then subsequently doing a piddly expansion of the road.

libtard · #**111** Posted **Aug 25, 2020, 3:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

I think the new overpass had something to do with it as well but I agree everything moving at snail pace

They also had to rebuild the culvert going under the highway between 208 and 202 St.

jollyburger · #**112** Posted **Aug 25, 2020, 3:46 AM**

They had to do soil compaction as well. And then they also changed the HOV lanes mid-project which required changes that added a year to the project.

giallo · #**113** Posted **Aug 25, 2020, 4:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

I don't think traffic back-ups through to Abbotsford and Chilliwack have been as bad since the New Port Mann Bridge opened up.

It's been brutal in my experience.

The amount of accidents that happen along that two lane stretch in the summer is eye-opening. From summer 2017-2019, I encountered four accidents that backed up the traffic for an hour. We missed our ferry during one of the traffic jams.

The bridge is fine and much needed, but it's the stretch from Chilliwack to Surrey that, as s211 mentioned, can be dangerous. It's packed with locals, tourists, and commercial vehicles all trying to maneuver on lanes that were built for 1966 traffic. I find it unbelievable that over 50 years later, that stretch of highway remains the same. The metro area has grown by close to two million people since then.

I just don't understand why the NDP has decided not to widen the road to Abbotsford. It's the national highway, and one of the most important and busiest routes in to Canada's third largest city, and most important port.

s211 · #**114** Posted **Aug 25, 2020, 2:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by giallo

I just don't understand why the NDP has decided not to widen the road to Abbotsford. It's the national highway, and one of the most important and busiest routes in to Canada's third largest city, and most important port.

According to Horrigan, the tourists should take transit or ride a bike. If ever any more proof was necessary of his tone-deafness.

WarrenC12 · #**115** Posted **Aug 25, 2020, 3:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

According to Horrigan, the tourists should take transit or ride a bike. If ever any more proof was necessary of his tone-deafness.

Do you mean Horgan? Did you hear him say this personally?

Orcair · #**116** Posted **Aug 25, 2020, 4:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

According to Horrigan, the tourists should take transit or ride a bike. If ever any more proof was necessary of his tone-deafness.

The specific quote was referring to those with out-of-province license plates during COVID...

“I would suggest, perhaps, public transit,” he said at a news conference. “I would suggest that they get their plates changed. I would suggest they ride a bike.”

Source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/b...with-non-bc-plates-to-take-bus-to-avoid/

officedweller · #**117** Posted **Aug 25, 2020, 8:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by giallo

It's been brutal in my experience.

The amount of accidents that happen along that two lane stretch in the summer is eye-opening. From summer 2017-2019, I encountered four accidents that backed up the traffic for an hour. We missed our ferry during one of the traffic jams.

The bridge is fine and much needed, but it's the stretch from Chilliwack to Surrey that, as s211 mentioned, can be dangerous. It's packed with locals, tourists, and commercial vehicles all trying to maneuver on lanes that were built for 1966 traffic. I find it unbelievable that over 50 years later, that stretch of highway remains the same. The metro area has grown by close to two million people since then.

I just don't understand why the NDP has decided not to widen the road to Abbotsford. It's the national highway, and one of the most important and busiest routes in to Canada's third largest city, and most important port.

Got it - accidents versus just volume.
It used to back up due to just volume from the bridge bottleneck.

Tvisforme · #**118** Posted **Aug 26, 2020, 6:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by s211

According to Horrigan, the tourists should take transit or ride a bike. If ever any more proof was necessary of his tone-deafness.

Why do this? That statement was not related to the highway (or to general tourism) at all.

s211 · #**119** Posted **Aug 26, 2020, 2:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tvisforme

Why do this? That statement was not related to the highway (or to general tourism) at all.

NDP's messaging consistency, be it overt or implicit: automobiles = satan's chariots.

Orcair · #**120** Posted **Aug 26, 2020, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

NDP's messaging consistency, be it overt or implicit: automobiles = satan's chariots.

I realize you are being hyperbolic, but I'd love for some specific examples of this... the Hwy 1 expansion, Nordel/SFPR exchange, Pattulo replacement are all still proceeding as far as I know...