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Old Posted Aug 18, 2020, 2:27 AM
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It looks like the city has finally come to their senses and are going to scrap the one way Main St. experiment. We could see the cement barriers come down as early as later this week. The petition from downtown businesses and negative feedback from the community has apparently reached city hall.
I for one will be glad to see this fiasco come to an end!

https://www.919thebend.ca/2020/08/17/moncton-council-will-scrap-one-way-bike-lane-on-main-street/
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2020, 3:27 AM
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There's only so much lipstick you can put on a pig before it starts squealing. I guess city hall heard the commotion........
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Still, there are so many Spitfire designed buildings in the city going up so quickly, that it threatens to overwhelm the architectural style of the city. Nothing against Spitfire, they do fine work, but it might be nice if they broadened their portfolio a bit.
Which is...? Is there any dominant style that screams 'Moncton'?

As Myles alluded out, devs will build whatever makes the most economical sense. Even in larger centres it's not uncommon to have developers going cheap and cookie-cutter over the course of many, many developments. Claridge in Ottawa is a good example of this.
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Which is...? Is there any dominant style that screams 'Moncton'?

As Myles alluded out, devs will build whatever makes the most economical sense. Even in larger centres it's not uncommon to have developers going cheap and cookie-cutter over the course of many, many developments. Claridge in Ottawa is a good example of this.
The dominant style of Moncton is endless suburban single family homes.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2020, 11:30 AM
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A lot of truth to this.

Still, there are so many Spitfire designed buildings in the city going up so quickly, that it threatens to overwhelm the architectural style of the city. Nothing against Spitfire, they do fine work, but it might be nice if they broadened their portfolio a bit.
That's exactly my point.

At one point didn't (or doesn't) the city specify what materials the building may use at least on the exterior. I thought they outlawed so much vinyl for example. I wonder what the city thinks of all the same designed buildings going up. Do they have any say at all?

I understand why.... the buildings are cheap. Rents are high. But I agree that Spitfire surely can design a few more models.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2020, 11:48 AM
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Yes there are rules in Moncton on what materials can go on the exterior of buildings. But they don't shoot down proposed developments because the new building looks too much like another building that was built earlier.
Spitfire's designs meet all the criteria all of the time, as far as I can tell (though I don't know ALL of the criteria by heart.)

EDIT: https://www.moncton.ca/my-services-law-enforcement/laws
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2020, 12:56 PM
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Personally, I would welcome more variety in terms of colour. The drab tan, drab beige, drab off-white, drab grey buildings throughout the area all look rather... drab. Toss in some primary colours now and then, maybe?

A lot of these new builds are in-fill in parts of the city built during different style eras. This alone will make the areas look like they have more diversity.

As for single family homes... that's inevitable given the low cost of real estate in Moncton relative to our peers. Even then, single detached homes are losing market share. Last year, according to CMHC, the Moncton region saw built:

Single Detached 191
Semi Detached 176
Row 95
Apartment 780

Total units 1,242

Single detached was down every year since at least 2014.
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There's only so much lipstick you can put on a pig before it starts squealing. I guess city hall heard the commotion........
True. When city council says the situation has turned into a mess, you know that this set-up was a really bad idea. It's sad when the merchants say that the downtown is dying.

I had loved spending time downtown, it had a vibrancy to it. But not this summer.
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I think blaming the street change for poor business this year is a bit of scapegoating. I know the 'park at your table' mentality is bad in NB but covid in general is probably a bigger factor.

I visited downtown a couple times and it certainly could have been setup better but there could have also been more buy in and usage from the businesses. There really couldn't have been better summer weather for outdoor patios. The bike lane could have been ditched and that space used for patios. The city could have put their funding into those walk around boardwalks similar to the setup at Third Glass wine bar. As a 'tourist' to downtown I always found main street to be like Mountain road so at least with the commuter traffic diverted it was much more enjoyable.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2020, 6:09 PM
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I think blaming the street change for poor business this year is a bit of scapegoating. I know the 'park at your table' mentality is bad in NB but covid in general is probably a bigger factor.

I visited downtown a couple times and it certainly could have been setup better but there could have also been more buy in and usage from the businesses. There really couldn't have been better summer weather for outdoor patios. The bike lane could have been ditched and that space used for patios. The city could have put their funding into those walk around boardwalks similar to the setup at Third Glass wine bar. As a 'tourist' to downtown I always found main street to be like Mountain road so at least with the commuter traffic diverted it was much more enjoyable.
No doubt it was a combination of things that hurt business. I think a lot of downtown employees working from home didn't help. And I know that there are a lot of locals who have been avoiding Main Street because of the cement barriers.
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No doubt it was a combination of things that hurt business. I think a lot of downtown employees working from home didn't help. And I know that there are a lot of locals who have been avoiding Main Street because of the cement barriers.
Yes, and I am one of them. Main Street looks and feels absolutely trashy. This was a badly thought out idea.
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Yes, and I am one of them. Main Street looks and feels absolutely trashy. This was a badly thought out idea.
Indeed. I tend not to frequent the downtown core much anyway (vagrants, panhandlers), but this summer, I have been downtown exactly twice, both times to snap a few photos for the thread, and then take off again as quickly as I could. Main Street currently looks depressing and demoralizing. The sooner the barriers are gone the better.
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Aaaand the city is wasting no time. 2nd & 3rd reading of the bill today, and work crews will be on site tomorrow.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2020, 7:31 PM
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Announcement from the City of Moncton:

Main Street, between Botsford and Lutz, will be closed from 7 a.m. - 4 p.m. tomorrow.

This closure is necessary to allow crews to remove the jersey barriers from the reconfigured Main Street. Two-way traffic pattern will be in effect as soon as crews have completed their work.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2020, 9:39 PM
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I think blaming the street change for poor business this year is a bit of scapegoating. I know the 'park at your table' mentality is bad in NB but covid in general is probably a bigger factor.

I visited downtown a couple times and it certainly could have been setup better but there could have also been more buy in and usage from the businesses. There really couldn't have been better summer weather for outdoor patios. The bike lane could have been ditched and that space used for patios. The city could have put their funding into those walk around boardwalks similar to the setup at Third Glass wine bar. As a 'tourist' to downtown I always found main street to be like Mountain road so at least with the commuter traffic diverted it was much more enjoyable.
If the city had closed the correct side of Main Street the business owners could have expanded their patios onto the street. Instead they closed the wrong side where only a couple restaurants exist and have no patio to begin with aside from Coras which is only open until 3pm anyway. It was a good idea in principle. Horrible execution!
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2020, 11:58 PM
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If the city had closed the correct side of Main Street the business owners could have expanded their patios onto the street. Instead they closed the wrong side where only a couple restaurants exist and have no patio to begin with aside from Coras which is only open until 3pm anyway. It was a good idea in principle. Horrible execution!
I'm pretty sure the reason why the city went with preserving east/west traffic flow on Main Street rather than west/east flow is because virtually all of the on street parking on Main Street is on the north side of the street and not the south side. The non food store owners would have wanted to preserve on street parking at all costs.

As you have pointed out, the problem with this premise is that it does very little to expand patio space for all the restaurants on Main Street, which also coincidentally are mostly on the north side of the street.

The experiment was doomed to failure. It should never be repeated!!!

Now, this does not mean that there is nothing that can be done to improve the pedestrian experience on Main Street in the summertime. I have a proposal:

1) - Main Street should remain a two way street. It is the only street in the core that runs completely from the Moncton west end all the way through to Dieppe. It is just too vital a corridor to be closed or to have significant traffic restrictions. In other cities that have pedestrianized downtown streets successfully, they have always been side streets, not principal thoroughfares.
2) - I would propose instead to eliminate or significantly reduce on street parking on Main Street in the summertime. These parking spaces could be freed up to provide room for additional patio space for the downtown restaurants (like the Third Glass does, or Mexicali Rosa's did this summer). A few parking spaces could be preserved so that food trucks could take up semi permanent residence as well. Food trucks are popular, and would boost pedestrian presence on Main Street.
3) - I don't have too much sympathy for non food merchants in the core and their demands for on street parking in front of their businesses. Most people can walk a couple of blocks to make their purchases. There are really only a handful of parking spaces on Main Street in any event. Perhaps the city could compensate the merchants by giving them free parking passes at city run parking facilities near Main Street that they could hand out to their customers.
4) - I would probably institute a new low speed limit for the very heart of Main Street in the core (Botsford to Lutz) in order to improve pedestrian safety, perhaps as low as 30 km/hr. This would be a pain, but we are only talking about a distance of 5 blocks. The motoring public would survive.
5) - Improve landscaping along the Main Street sidewalks with a few more planters, and perhaps a couple of small informal stages for buskers or street performers. This would also improve the atmosphere of the downtown and give it a more festive air.

To repeat - maintain two way traffic, but decrease the speed limit, eliminate or greatly reduce on street parking on Main Street, with the space given over to increased patio space for restaurants, allow food trucks on a few of the remaining parking spaces, improve the greenery along the street and build a couple of small stages for street performers and compensate Main Street merchants with city funded free parking vouchers on nearby lots for store customers.

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The former Co-op head office building on Halifax Street has been sold to Office Xpress

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123 Halifax Street is a well-known professional 7-storey office tower in central Moncton featuring a whopping 80,000 SF.

Some exciting redevelopment/renovation plans are coming down the turnpike for the property, which will include Office Xpress Inc. relocating their head office to the building and bringing the remaining space to the market for lease.
from Colliers International FB page

I wonder what type of renovation/redevelopment they are talking about. The building sticks out because of it's height (in a primary industrial neighbourhood), and it's dry brick facade with very few windows. Increasing window space, and going the building a facelift (improved facade) might go a long way towards making it more desireable.
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The former Co-op head office building on Halifax Street has been sold to Office Xpress


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I wonder what type of renovation/redevelopment they are talking about. The building sticks out because of it's height (in a primary industrial neighbourhood), and it's dry brick facade with very few windows. Increasing window space, and going the building a facelift (improved facade) might go a long way towards making it more desireable.
They must have got a great deal. Its honestly kind of shocking to see a company investing in office space in a world that is clearly going to be increasing in remote work. Would have loved to see them go into 1234 Main St.
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[QUOTE=lirette;9016078]They must have got a great deal. Its honestly kind of shocking to see a company investing in office space in a world that is clearly going to be increasing in remote work. Would have loved to see them go into 1234 Main St.[/QUOT

They did. The 2020 assessment is $2,002,100 according to SNB. The purchase price is listed at $300,000. They also purchased 85 Halifax Street.

They apparently plan to redevelop the property to it's full potential. But I agree that office space doesn't seem like it's going to be in high demand. And this building has a massive 80,000 sq. ft.

Did you mean 1222 Main Street, the vacant terminal plaza building?
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Anyone else noticed the former Jean's Diner / Kinja Sushi on St George street has a new restaurant called India King?

https://indiaking.ca/

Apparently opened July 25th. Did I miss a memo?
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