Atlanta Project Thread IV - Page 254

smArTaLlone · #**5061** Posted **Aug 15, 2020, 8:34 PM**

https://www.glencastleatl.com/

smArTaLlone · #**5062** Posted **Aug 15, 2020, 10:36 PM**

Rendering of the Beltline adjacent proposal with 323 apartments. Land development permit was filed for the project this month.

http://www.dardencompany.com/projects-2/

Street Advocate · #**5063** Posted **Aug 15, 2020, 10:57 PM**

The way 1015 Boulevard interacts with the BeltLine is leaps and bounds better than the poor land use project directly south of it.

NYbyWAYofGA · #**5064** Posted **Aug 17, 2020, 2:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by Street Advocate

The way 1015 Boulevard interacts with the BeltLine is leaps and bounds better than the poor land use project directly south of it.

What's on that plot directly south of it?

Street Advocate · #**5065** Posted **Aug 17, 2020, 3:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by NYbyWAYofGA

What's on that plot directly south of it?

“Skylark” by Pollack Shores. The balcony photo they use in their website. It’s land use like this that continues to hold back Atlanta as a city for decades to come.

smArTaLlone · #**5066** Posted **Aug 17, 2020, 10:58 AM**

https://whatnowatlanta.com/abandoned-uni...or-residential-loft-conversion-downtown/

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A former United Methodist Church headquarters, wedged between the Atlanta Civic Center redevelopment site, Georgia Power headquarters, and the proposed Stitch, has been purchased by Braden Fellman Group (BFG), the firm announced in a press release Friday.

BFG bought the building, at 159 Ralph McGill Boulevard, from American Capital Properties for $3 million on Thursday. Construction is set to begin right away, with delivery expected in late-2021 or early-2022. The transaction includes the chapel and adjacent 6-story office building.

https://twitter.com/atlurbanist/status/1295177306768637953

NYbyWAYofGA · #**5067** Posted **Aug 17, 2020, 2:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Street Advocate

“Skylark” by Pollack Shores. The balcony photo they use in their website. It’s land use like this that continues to hold back Atlanta as a city for decades to come.

Right. The development in Atlanta tends to put all of it's ducks in one row along one street and then totally neglect the other parts of it. This leads to one dimensional, inverted, public/private development that really does nothing to enhance the overall urban fabric of the city. These developments often feel disjointed and disconnected from the public realm. Unfortunately, in this case, it's the damn Beltline....

NYbyWAYofGA · #**5068** Posted **Aug 17, 2020, 2:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

https://whatnowatlanta.com/abandoned-uni...or-residential-loft-conversion-downtown/

https://twitter.com/atlurbanist/status/1295177306768637953

Love this...

Street Advocate · #**5069** Posted **Aug 17, 2020, 4:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYbyWAYofGA

Right. The development in Atlanta tends to put all of it's ducks in one row along one street and then totally neglect the other parts of it. This leads to one dimensional, inverted, public/private development that really does nothing to enhance the overall urban fabric of the city. These developments often feel disjointed and disconnected from the public realm. Unfortunately, in this case, it's the damn Beltline....

Atlanta has no excuse to keep getting it wrong this many years after we’ve seen what occurs with other sections of the city. The city is complicit or willfully negligent at hindering neighborhoods throughout the city limits.

NYbyWAYofGA · #**5070** Posted **Aug 17, 2020, 6:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Atlanta has no excuse to keep getting it wrong this many years after we’ve seen what occurs with other sections of the city. The city is complicit or willfully negligent at hindering neighborhoods throughout the city limits.

I totally agree and it's very frustrating. When is Tim Keane and the city going to be finished revising zoning....?

Rchitectburd23 · #**5071** Posted **Aug 17, 2020, 9:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYbyWAYofGA

Right. The development in Atlanta tends to put all of it's ducks in one row along one street and then totally neglect the other parts of it. This leads to one dimensional, inverted, public/private development that really does nothing to enhance the overall urban fabric of the city. These developments often feel disjointed and disconnected from the public realm. Unfortunately, in this case, it's the damn Beltline....

I'm curious to know what do you guys expect for this area. I think the development fits perfectly fine with the area. The area is unfortunately not the urban section of Atlanta. This is unfortunately the suburban part of Atlanta and isn't the east side of the beltline.

Street Advocate · #**5072** Posted **Aug 17, 2020, 10:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rchitectburd23

I'm curious to know what do you guys expect for this area. I think the development fits perfectly fine with the area. The area is unfortunately not the urban section of Atlanta. This is unfortunately the suburban part of Atlanta and isn't the east side of the beltline.

This proposal quoted below meets the street and interacts with the BeltLine nicely is literally proposed across the BeltLine from the barracks style development you keep making excuses for. It would exist in the same area depicted in the Skylark rendering provided on this same page. Your words show you are part of the problem holding Atlanta back. As we are still having these discussions shows Atlanta is decades behind on what is common public knowledge and implemented upon.

There are thousands of units proposed for the southside trail and more coming. Just because there is not density or good land use today does not mean that it won’t be here in the near future. Advocating for garden style or barracks style communities with poor interaction of our infrastructure is just poor advocacy and management of what is limited acreage within city limits and nearby proposed high capacity transit lines and growing transportation corridors.

In before anyone tries to say “but the affordable housing included demands it!” I say to you prove it by running an actual financial model including tax credits on comparable acreage. Skylark is nothing more than a sprawling waste of acreage that has some of y’all hoodwinked.

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Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

Rendering of the Beltline adjacent proposal with 323 apartments. Land development permit was filed for the project this month.

http://www.dardencompany.com/projects-2/

shivtim · #**5073** Posted **Aug 18, 2020, 1:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rchitectburd23

I'm curious to know what do you guys expect for this area. I think the development fits perfectly fine with the area. The area is unfortunately not the urban section of Atlanta. This is unfortunately the suburban part of Atlanta and isn't the east side of the beltline.

And 10 years ago the east side of the Beltline was empty lots, a huge 95% empty building, underused light-industrial buildings, surface parking lots, a suburban style grocery store, etc... You don't make progress by designing for the past. If it's along the Beltline or near a MARTA rail station, the plan needs to be better. Surface parking literally facing the Beltline in a new project is just bizarre, and the city has had a decade to adjust zoning to prevent exactly this. Failure of the Beltline overlay.

shivtim · #**5074** Posted **Aug 18, 2020, 1:24 PM**

Something that comes to mind: Tuscany condos in Midtown. In the mid 90's when it was built, the same excuses were probably made. Midtown wasn't as developed yet, it was "dangerous" still, Atlanta is designed for cars, etc... and now we have this gated community superblock with surface parking smack in the middle of Midtown. A little bit of forward thinking could have prevented that. Instead, imagine a Glenwood Park style development where Tuscany is.

GeorgiaPeanuts · #**5075** Posted **Aug 18, 2020, 1:42 PM**

Skylark is not really as bad as y'all claim. Please explain who will pay the cost it would take to bring the skylark up to the same height as the beltline here? This is not an area that could justify rents that would absorb that cost. Yes, the other side is interacting with the beltline intelligently because it is already on the same level of the Beltline. I bike this sections sometimes and that property is already level with the beltline with no extra cost. Skylark's main streets through property are all parallel parking lined and the parking tucked away behind buildings.

shivtim · #**5076** Posted **Aug 18, 2020, 1:50 PM**

I get the constraints of the site, but it's objectively false that the parking is tucked away. My main concern is the big surface parking lot right in the middle, clearly facing the Beltline, as well as the "street" directly paralleling the Beltline. My main thought process on these things is "does the design make sense for Alpharetta"? If the answer is yes, it's probably not the best design for the Beltline. But I agree it's not horrible... it could be a Fuqua Kroger or something.

ATLmangum · #**5077** Posted **Aug 18, 2020, 3:57 PM**

There appears to be soil testing going on currently at the Portman funeral home site. You can see in The Mark webcam.

jayden · #**5078** Posted **Aug 18, 2020, 5:47 PM**

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There appears to be soil testing going on currently at the Portman funeral home site. You can see in The Mark webcam.

I saw a tractor there a few days ago and well.

Are they not going to begin excavating until 2021?

NYbyWAYofGA · #**5079** Posted **Aug 18, 2020, 6:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by shivtim

And 10 years ago the east side of the Beltline was empty lots, a huge 95% empty building, underused light-industrial buildings, surface parking lots, a suburban style grocery store, etc... You don't make progress by designing for the past. If it's along the Beltline or near a MARTA rail station, the plan needs to be better. Surface parking literally facing the Beltline in a new project is just bizarre, and the city has had a decade to adjust zoning to prevent exactly this. Failure of the Beltline overlay.

I agree. This oversight is egregious....

ATLmangum · #**5080** Posted **Aug 18, 2020, 7:06 PM**

More height/steel is currently being added to the TK tower at The Battery.