Downtown Vancouver Updates

[PaperTiger]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Yes, Concord is certainly banking a lot of Vancouver property. I'm not sure if I like that.

Can you clarify, did Providence Healthcare own the old site directly or was it through the province? It has always kind of confused me what kind of entity PHC was, and how the ownership of St.Pauls differed from VGH etc.

Providence is an independent non-profit linked to the Catholic Church, that receives operating and capital grants from the province, via VCH. For the most part they own the facilities that they operate.

This is the biggest in BC but there are lots of other healthcare facilities operated by faith affiliated charities that have operating agreements with local health authorities.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by PaperTiger

Providence is an independent non-profit linked to the Catholic Church, that receives operating and capital grants from the province, via VCH. For the most part they own the facilities that they operate.

This is the biggest in BC but there are lots of other healthcare facilities operated by faith affiliated charities that have operating agreements with local health authorities.

I heard a sale of this size still requires Papal signoff.

PHC runs St. Pauls, Mt. St. Jo's, and a number of care homes and other facilities that all fall under VCH.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by PaperTiger

Providence is an independent non-profit linked to the Catholic Church, that receives operating and capital grants from the province, via VCH. For the most part they own the facilities that they operate.

This is the biggest in BC but there are lots of other healthcare facilities operated by faith affiliated charities that have operating agreements with local health authorities.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I heard a sale of this size still requires Papal signoff.

PHC runs St. Pauls, Mt. St. Jo's, and a number of care homes and other facilities that all fall under VCH.

Thanks. I knew they ran them, but I wasn't clear if they still owned the land. I assume VGH is owned by Vancouver Coastal and hence by the provincial government?

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Thanks. I knew they ran them, but I wasn't clear if they still owned the land. I assume VGH is owned by Vancouver Coastal and hence by the provincial government?

The HAs own a lot of land around hospitals, even some empty lots. The only things they lease are office space I believe.

[SpongeG]

there is a residence for nuns upstairs at the hospital apparently.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Except Vin will just ignore the realities, clearly explained, and go on spouting his troll nonsense as we have seen here time and time again. His castigation is well-earned.

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I mean maybe CC doesn't know how to use the ignore function.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Agreed. CC has far more patience than I do. Truly the Lord's work trying to lead the blind.

Originally Posted by whatnext

When has ChangingCity ever not explained the real world issues and rules effecting a project?

It’s not his fault Vin doesn’t listen.

Perhaps you guys are not listening. CC claimed City Council has no power over heritage protection overlorded by the Province.
Let me help you a little bit here since you all can't comprehend:

https://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/heritage-conservation.aspx
Heritage management plan
Under the Vancouver Charter, Council has the power to protect our valuable heritage sites from demolition or unsympathetic alterations.

They can also set up arrangements with property owners that encourage them to restore or rehabilitate their heritage properties.

Cherry picking here to gang up against Vin I see?

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Perhaps you guys are not listening. CC claimed City Council has no power over heritage protection overlorded by the Province.
Let me help you a little bit here since you all can't comprehend:



Cherry picking here to gang up against Vin I see?

No need to cherry pick. You're wrong 90% of the time, great odds.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Vin

Perhaps you guys are not listening. CC claimed City Council has no power over heritage protection overlorded by the Province.
Let me help you a little bit here since you all can't comprehend:

Cherry picking here to gang up against Vin I see?

Key word was "unilateral".

[Migrant_Coconut]

St. Paul’s Hospital is listed on the Vancouver Heritage Register category “A” but is not a designated heritage building and is not protected by legal statute.

Heritage Vancouver

And based on anecdotes from hospital staff, it's probably easier to just tear the whole thing down and rebuild it brick by brick than to make it seismically fit and/or livable again.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Changing City

They may wait until we get a new Council led by the SSP Party with 6 councillors voting to abolish viewcones are requiring a minimum tower height of 60 storeys - but I wouldn't want $1bn riding on that possibility!

Or Concord could partner up with MST Development Corporation — the consortium of local First Nations developers, as has been reported in the Daily Hive. The First Nations group would get far more consideration for view cone relaxations. Add in the major heritage retention aspect of the project, and we likely to see something much taller than 600’.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

No need to cherry pick. You're wrong 90% of the time, great odds.

Says someone who's always proven wrong.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by logan5

Or Concord could partner up with MST Development Corporation — the consortium of local First Nations developers, as has been reported in the Daily Hive. The First Nations group would get far more consideration for view cone relaxations. Add in the major heritage retention aspect of the project, and we likely to see something much taller than 600’.

They already said MST is going to be involved in some way.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

They already said MST is going to be involved in some way.

Yes. That’s what I said.

My point was that the MST involvement makes it easier to circumvent some City policies.

And yes I know that this isn’t the same as the Burrard lands, but native involvement gives it some advantages.

[Feathered Friend]

Described as a huge improvement, & an important change that still fits with its neighbourhood, the Development Permit Board tipped their hats to those who crafted this design at 1294 Granville St for making it easy to win their unanimous support.

https://twitter.com/City_Duo/status/1295509850726703104?s=20

[Cypherus]

Originally Posted by whatnext

When has ChangingCity ever not explained the real world issues and rules effecting a project?

It’s not his fault Vin doesn’t listen.

This is a forum where information should be shared freely, regardless of the members or opinions. This is not a time or place ChangingCity should have a duel with Vin, then hold back knowledge that is valuable for everyone else just so he can use it as his next move to target Vin. It's getting tiring watching that duel and I've avoided the Vancouver subforum because of this pompous display North of the Fraser. The Mods really need to get things back in order and stop these personal kerfuffles that go on for numerous pages.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Cypherus

This is a forum where information should be shared freely, regardless of the members or opinions. This is not a time or place ChangingCity should have a duel with Vin, then hold back knowledge that is valuable for everyone else just so he can use it as his next move to target Vin. It's getting tiring watching that duel and I've avoided the Vancouver subforum because of this pompous display North of the Fraser. The Mods really need to get things back in order and stop these personal kerfuffles that go on for numerous pages.

When has Changing City ever “held back information” to target Vin? The information is all public record if you want to look it up. It’s hardly his fault Vin can’t be bothered to or is consistently wrong.

[jollyburger]

No one cares about the information they contribute to this public forum. We're just irritated that every thread turns into a giant garbage dump courtesy of the usual suspects.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

No one cares about the information they contribute to this public forum. We're just irritated that every thread turns into a giant garbage dump courtesy of the usual suspects.

Changing City is a valued member whose quality of input surpasses that of pretty much everyone else here.

Putting them on the same level or ignoring the frustration of discussing anything with Vin is ridiculous.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Changing City is a valued member whose quality of input surpasses that of pretty much everyone else here.

Putting them on the same level or ignoring the frustration of discussing anything with Vin is ridiculous.

The comment wasn't in reference to Changing City. It was about Vin.

[Feathered Friend]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Changing City is a valued member whose quality of input surpasses that of pretty much everyone else here.

Putting them on the same level or ignoring the frustration of discussing anything with Vin is ridiculous.

I echo your comments about Changing City. Their input makes the forum a far better place, and on a personal level has both taught and inspired me.

Though I agree Vin can sometimes be a little obtuse, I do appreciate that they offer a different prospective. There is no denying their presence helps add a bit of colour to the forum.

Maybe I'm speaking more based on my personal situation, but I feel we're all dealing with a bit more stress than usual, and are all on edge because of it. Ideally, we should all take a second to breath before we post, and question whether we really need to hit submit.

Of course, this is all off topic, and probably not the most constructive conversation. At worst, I would suggest moving it to the general discussion thread, and at best just nipping it in the bud.