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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 12:10 AM
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Bob Rennie may have a point there:

If they take away the mall and turn it "inside out", this area will fail miserably..
Vin, your entitled to your opinions on how a city should be built, even if that means shopping malls everywhere, but you should not be fabricating what other people have said. It's not even that you misunderstood what Rennie said, you flat out printed a lie. You should not post here if you are going to lie about what other people are saying.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 1:55 AM
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If Rennies saying that about Metrotown how about all of Burnabys other booming town centres and Richmond, and so on and forth. Really Metrotowns just doing what Yaletown did in the 90's and therefore is just the perverble "canary in the coal mine" although everyones really entitles to there own opinion too!
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 2:52 AM
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Bash Metrotown? And people don't bash on Surrey?

He's just stating the obvious that Metrotown will still be dominated by a suburban shopping mall vs Surrey which had even more empty tracts of lands that can be redeveloped in the near future.
He's entitled to his opinion of course, but what he's saying is just flat out ridiculous and contradicted by facts.

He claims that Metrotown is "unliveable" - which also happens to be the title of the article itself - a statement that on its face stands against the reality of 60,000 or so people who happily live there currently in the immediate "core" (and projected to rise as high as 90,000 within the next 20-30 years of growth), and more pertinently by the number of development projects currently undergoing construction in the area and in the books getting planned or applying for permit to start soon.
Why would other developers be so eager to build in an area that's deemed "unliveable"? If it actually is, as he claims......"unliveable"?

Whatever you believe about the mall - and I'm sure you have your opinions about it and the wider area in general, ....just like him and just like many on here do - you are entitled to your opinion of it and the area, just like he is.

Neither of you are entitled to your own set of facts separate from reality about it.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 3:21 AM
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He's entitled to his opinion of course, but what he's saying is just flat out ridiculous and contradicted by facts.

He claims that Metrotown is "unliveable" - which also happens to be the title of the article itself - a statement that on its face stands against the reality of 60,000 or so people who happily live there currently in the immediate "core" (and projected to rise as high as 90,000 within the next 20-30 years of growth), and more pertinently by the number of development projects currently undergoing construction in the area and in the books getting planned or applying for permit to start soon.
Why would other developers be so eager to build in an area that's deemed "unliveable"? If it actually is, as he claims......"unliveable"?

Whatever you believe about the mall - and I'm sure you have your opinions about it and the wider area in general, ....just like him and just like many on here do - you are entitled to your opinion of it and the area, just like he is.

Neither of you are entitled to your own set of facts separate from reality about it.
I mean he's talking about walking around as his definition of a "livable" city. If you want to bash him then tell him about walking around isn't the definition of a livable city. You can spout off as much as you want about population figures and it still won't magically fix the urban landscape of Metrotown.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 3:27 AM
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In terms of the town centres, the ones that give me the most urban feel right now are Lonsdale and Richmond Centre. In that sense, I agree with Rennie; Metrotown lags behind in terms of having that urban feel and that comes down to there still being a lot of parking in the vicinity of the mall.

I do see it improving quite a bit though. Station Square I believe will make a big difference and there are plenty of other projects that will help it become a more pleasant urban space.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 3:53 AM
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I mean he's talking about walking around as his definition of a "livable" city. If you want to bash him then tell him about walking around isn't the definition of a livable city. You can spout off as much as you want about population figures and it still won't magically fix the urban landscape of Metrotown.
Yeah, it's just about his (and planners') definition of a livable city
- and that varies with what's in fashion (typically high end shopping and services).
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 3:59 AM
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he's probably bitter cause noone has hired him to market their projects in the area.

He's not a developer either is he? he's just a real estate marketer. The article paints him to be a developer.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 4:08 AM
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he's probably bitter cause noone has hired him to market their projects in the area.

He's not a developer either is he? he's just a real estate marketer. The article paints him to be a developer.
They corrected it to:

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Bob Rennie, one of the nation’s most successful real estate marketers, had harsh words for Metrotown’s development over the years.
Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you have to attack their character. He is what he is and he has his opinions on urban planning.

I mean if Metrotown was the perfect oasis then why are they making up plans to implode the mall into a bunch of streets and condo towers?

Urban planner, civic politicians, developers and then the general public. I wouldn't worry about Rennie and more about people being fed up with development in "their" community.

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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 5:46 AM
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If journalists are going to publish articles they should get their information correct.
Glacier MEdia is always publishing things incorrectly, just to get a story out quickly. They publich so much crap and click bait headlines these days its a joke what they have become.

I have no problems with Rennie, hes very succesful at his job good for him. Metrotown is a work in progress hard to make a call on it.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 7:06 AM
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If journalists are going to publish articles they should get their information correct.
Glacier MEdia is always publishing things incorrectly, just to get a story out quickly. They publich so much crap and click bait headlines these days its a joke what they have become.

I have no problems with Rennie, hes very succesful at his job good for him. Metrotown is a work in progress hard to make a call on it.
I mean he basically said that one thing in an hour long video so I think that qualifies for click bait.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 4:31 PM
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I read it as him calling for the redevelopment of the the mall property so that he can partner with the owner/developer to sell the units. He's a salesman and one of the best in the business. He is setting the stage and the fact he is talking about it makes me think something is in the works.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 6:16 PM
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Hmm. Interesting to hear you say that. Didn’t you say previously that a redevelopment was many many years away?

We have a precedent case here in Vancouver with Oakridge, so if something were to happen at Metrotown relatively soon, it shouldn’t be surprising.
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4275 Grange Street
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31-storey condo tower and YWCA family housing proposed for Metrotown

Qualex Landmark in partnership with YWCA has submitted a rezoning and development application to the City of Burnaby to build a 316-ft-tall, 31-storey condominium tower and a five-storey non-market rental housing building in the Metrotown downtown district.

The proposal for 4275 Grange Street — currently occupied by a 1976-built, three-storey building — calls for 247 condominiums, and 32 non-market rental homes with only two- and three-bedroom units, suitable for YWCA’s purpose of serving women with children.

These rental homes will be set at 20% of Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation’s median rents.

The total unit mix is 26 studios, 122 one-bedroom units, 97 two-bedroom units, and a pair of three-bedroom units. The project’s design firm is RWA Architecture.
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https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/4275-grange-street-burnaby


Artistic rendering of 4275 Grange Street, Burnaby. (RWA Architecture/Qualex Landmark)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/4275-grange-street-burnaby


Site plan of 4275 Grange Street, Burnaby. (RWA Architecture/Qualex Landmark)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/4275-grange-street-burnaby


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/4275-grange-street-burnaby
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2020, 1:41 AM
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Vin, your entitled to your opinions on how a city should be built, even if that means shopping malls everywhere, but you should not be fabricating what other people have said. It's not even that you misunderstood what Rennie said, you flat out printed a lie. You should not post here if you are going to lie about what other people are saying.
Chill, the world isn't coming to an end. What lie, and care to share what Rennie really thinks?
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2020, 2:27 AM
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I mean he's talking about walking around as his definition of a "livable" city. If you want to bash him then tell him about walking around isn't the definition of a livable city. You can spout off as much as you want about population figures and it still won't magically fix the urban landscape of Metrotown.
Hey, I was stating facts, buddy.
If you don't like it then go whine about it to someone who cares.

If you now want to change the definition of "livability" on his behalf from what the root constituents of the actual word itself implies, just to fit yours or his argument, then that's on you.
I believe that's what also known as moving the goalposts.

I said what I said.


'LIVABILITY'

from "Live" and "-able" (as in capable of being "lived" in)

Do people live in Metrotown? Yes? No?

Is it an area capable of being lived in (whether by 500 or 1 million people)?
Yes? No?

Then simple math and logic should tell you whether it's a "livable" area.

I'm not here to argue semantics with you nor him, or to parse the distinction between the qualitative and the objective meaning of what he was saying or trying to say or any subtext of what he was implying.

Don't condescend to me and I won't condescend to you.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2020, 3:40 AM
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Burnaby Now is a shit news outlet
Burnaby Now has turned into a bizarre newspaper version of trash talk shows from the 90s where "reporters" post their opinion about some minor issue (say one way paths in Deer Lake park) followed by edited posts from their imaginary opponent whom then they then proceed to berate in public over their opposing view. Surreal stuff.

As for Metrotown where I lived on and off for the last 25 years the mall is not the only problem to livability. Lot of this has to do with City of Burnaby and their lack of finesse and constantly changing plans. The fact that City of Burnaby Mayor & Council have a combined age of about 1000 is not helping the matter either. Some fresh ideas and bold approaches would be more then welcome. At least new Mayor is willing to spend some money.

In no particular order:

1) We somehow managed to get three pedestrian overpasses in MT core that are not accessible and go nowhere (two are closed) and waiting redevelopment for years now. The only one that "works" connects a parking lot with abandoned Best Buy.

2) The entire MT could use a high school given the population, but instead we split the MT into 3 high schools that kids have to be driven to or bus to. Two of them are literally at the bottom of the hill and are awkward to get to.

3) The entire MT does not have a decent produce store such as Kin’s Farm Market. The one we had in the mall (Langley Farm Market) moved decade ago.

4) The Station Square design supported hosting a farmer’s market in front of Best Buy. This was never realized. Instead Farmer’s market is held on City of Burnaby parking lot where very few people live and most people have to drive to.

5) There is a lack of patios. This is getting better lately with Station Square redevelopment. No patios, no street life.

6) Incomplete bike lanes. Bike lanes end just before where they are needed the most – through the urban heavily trafficked core. Nelson bike lane ends just before the mall. McKay one is the same although slightly better as it is less busy. Many bike crossings lack the button to press and require you to climb with a bike onto sidewalk to press pedestrian button. Burnaby just needs to complete these and not wait for the mall to be redeveloped.

7) Ever changing street designs. The latest design with sunken boulevard and built-in bike lane is great (Station Square Kingsway & Central Blvd), but there is only a few blocks of it. Supposedly the entire Kingsway should be like this, but that will not happen for the next 100 years at this pace. Since Burnaby only changes street design if there is a new development happening (as in developer pays) it is no wonder that all the streets look disjointed.

8) For some bizarre reason as a pedestrian you have to press a button to cross every single street in the entire Burnaby. Even the busiest traffic lights on Kingsway and Central Boulevard by SkyTrain require you to press the button. City of North Vancouver has for example automated all the crossing signals at traffic lights during the time of pandemic. City of Burnaby’s response during pandemic was to add signs to the Kingsway pedestrian overpass that literally nobody uses to keep 2-meter distance. Useful stuff.

9) As for the mall – they let them redesign the mall to merge two sections and close the last physical road through it (albeit delivery road) just a decade or so ago. That was the last chance to keep the mall separated and force the proper street grid through the mall site. But they let it go. Now a decade later they are talking about a 100 year plan for Metrotown to reverse that. And who in the right mind comes with 100 year plans?!? Just imagine somebody laying down a 100 year plan for Burnaby in 1900 - what relevance would that plan have just 10 years later.

10) Does every new building in MT have to be 40+ story tower? Are there other forms of construction possible? Why not mix it up a little like on lower Lonsdale?

11) There isn't a single event venue in MT. I guess Firefighter's club is the closest thing we have to that. Why? Yes, I know one is planned in the grand 60-80 year Metrotown plan...Again the venues that city of Burnaby supports such as galleries and theater are at Deer Lake park - close to nothing.

12) Some residential streets within MT core still lack sidewalks on at least one side (Hazel, Newton). Many streets just outside the core lack sidewalks completely. There are bizarre crosswalks leading to nowhere (for example, Booth and Grange), but surprisingly many busy intersections lack marked crosswalks entirely.

13) Why not spruce up Old Orchard Park? Why is the green space on the corner on Royal Oak and Dover sitting empty for a decade? Why not turn it into some useful community space? Water park for kids maybe? A proper park? Community garden?

14) Why is space under SkyTrain not used for something more attractive then a ditch? There is a whole stretch of it from Patterson station to Bonsor that just sits there for decades.

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Hey, I was stating facts, buddy.
If you don't like it then go whine about it to someone who cares.

If you now want to change the definition of "livability" on his behalf from what the root constituents of the actual word itself implies, just to fit yours or his argument, then that's on you.
I believe that's what also known as moving the goalposts.

I said what I said.


'LIVABILITY'

from "Live" and "-able" (as in capable of being "lived" in)

Do people live in Metrotown? Yes? No?

Is it an area capable of being lived in (whether by 500 or 1 million people)?
Yes? No?

Then simple math and logic should tell you whether it's a "livable" area.

I'm not here to argue semantics with you nor him, or to parse the distinction between the qualitative and the objective meaning of what he was saying or trying to say or any subtext of what he was implying.

Don't condescend to me and I won't condescend to you.
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Go read WBC's post and then tell us how livable MT is.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2020, 4:37 AM
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That's a pretty good assessment of what's wrong with Metrotown.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2020, 5:34 AM
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11) There isn't a single event venue in MT. I guess Firefighter's club is the closest thing we have to that. Why? Yes, I know one is planned in the grand 60-80 year Metrotown plan...Again the venues that city of Burnaby supports such as galleries and theater are at Deer Lake park - close to nothing.
There's the Michael J. Fox theater not too far away for performance events. There's also the Hilton and a couple other hotels.
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