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Old Posted Jul 23, 2020, 8:29 PM
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Went to Harmons last night through the north doors, and peeked over the fence at 95 State. There's steel beams and roof for what is either the basement or ground floor on the north end, not sure about the south end.
Should start to see steel go vertical any day now.
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2020, 9:18 PM
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Since it's been slow on here, I thought I'd share the latest design efforts from my end. I probably shouldn't share this, but since it's in another region, I thought it might be okay. Technically, I'm the lead designer, though, it has been a collaboration of ideas from the team.

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Old Posted Jul 23, 2020, 9:33 PM
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Down with people in upper socioeconomic classes is the rage right now. Reddit is particularly full of class envy and hate. This is clearly a needed project and I would expect you’ll get other projects that cater to more middle class people.
The vitriol on this page for the Edison house when first announced was bonkers.
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2020, 9:40 PM
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Since it's been slow on here, I thought I'd share the latest design efforts from my end. I probably shouldn't share this, but since it's in another region, I thought it might be okay. This has definitely been a team effort, though, I am the lead designer on this:
I really like this. How permeable are those, for lack of a better term, shades? Do they articulate?
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2020, 1:36 PM
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Sorry, late to the game here. But doesn't the Church own the parcels east of Plum Alley? Can we infer then that the Church is the new partner?
The Church (Property Reserve) does own Plum Alley and the small parking lot between Plum Alley and the Carl's Jr/Kensington site. Maybe they're planning on building over Plum Alley?
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The Church (Property Reserve) does own Plum Alley and the small parking lot between Plum Alley and the Carl's Jr/Kensington site. Maybe they're planning on building over Plum Alley?
Good. Then they can rename 400n east of 300w back to plum street.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2020, 7:50 PM
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I really like this. How permeable are those, for lack of a better term, shades? Do they articulate?
These are intended to be perforated. I'm not sure what what you mean by articulate. They stick out from the exterior glass curtainwall.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2020, 9:15 PM
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I thought you guys might find this interesting. I'm not sure if Salt Lake has anything like this, but this is incredibly useful to track all development in the city from small renovations to large buildings. Check it out: https://www.seattleinprogress.com/
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2020, 1:57 AM
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Oz Development projects

The kings of micro-units. These guys are quite proliferate. See all the new projects they've completed recently and also have in progress.
https://oz-dev.com/#

Trax & 9th?


West Temple & 9th?


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Old Posted Jul 25, 2020, 4:33 AM
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These are intended to be perforated. I'm not sure what what you mean by articulate. They stick out from the exterior glass curtainwall.
By articulate I mean can they move or are they fixed in place? I assume they are intended to lower the solar radiation entering the building so I wondered if they can adjust as the sun moves through the sky.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2020, 8:45 AM
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I think it's fascinating to see the vitriol on Reddit/Facebook toward the Edison House project and even just the idea of some wealthy people having a downtown social club. You have people predicting its immediate failure with no evidence and you have people wishing that the city itself would prevent developments like this simply because it's exclusive and expensive. It's all weirdly emotional and political, imo.

I'm personally glad to see an empty lot developed even if I will never use or visit the facility myself. I do think it would have been better if there was a housing component and more density, but whatever.
I can agree with this. I think it's a nice development for that corner, and regardless of how exclusive it is, it's something that will bring vibrancy to that corner in a way that most areas of downtown Salt Lake don't have. I certainly don't think it's something worth being angry about, but there's definitely issues of class that could be had around this, just not on this forum.

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I just find it odd that a 3-story building has taken up as much space as it has on a forum dedicated to skyscrapers. I'm here to hear about large scale developments and have all the interest in the world in smaller, interesting, developments but once built I wouldn't even notice it if I'm driving past this particular building.
It's because we don't have anything like this in SLC lol. It's a new thing for us! Also I think its street engagement and design seem interesting enough that you could notice it when driving by. I also like to see this as more of an urban development forum than an explicitly skyscraper forum, and small projects can sometimes be the best for building that urban fabric and vibrancy.

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Got it, thanks for the link, Phoenix discussions are mainly in the local section, I'm not even sure we have a compilation section lol.

I was in SLC recently and saw many cranes up, which is why I got interested and started to check-in on activity here. I always see tons of plans for buildings but more so am curious how many new 10+ story buildings are actually moving dirt for the first time in the last 4-8 weeks or about to based on permitting or crane bases being installed. We've seen new crane additions slow in Phoenix, I believe the total count around the metro is 20-25 right now but based on permit activity or other news we can dig up it's not looking like the pace will keep up later this year.

Curious what SLC is like, I'm originally from there but it's been a long time since I lived there. Is it looking like the blistering pace will keep up or do you think less high-rise cranes are up at the end of 2020 then now? Maybe crane count is more unique to what we like to look at in Phoenix but curious how SLC was stacking up. Glad to see the downtown area continue to thrive and grow up there.
Salt Lake's crane count should only go up. Right now the cranes I'm aware of are

- 95 State (office building, set to be 3rd-tallest in city)
- Liberty Sky (set to be the tallest all-apartment building in the city)
- The Exchange (mixed-use development next to the library, I think it's 12 stories if I remember correctly)
- Convention Center Hotel (right next to Salt Palace)
- West Quarter (large mixed-use project, first phase will have an apartment building and a hotel I believe - 2 cranes)

Might be a couple I'm missing

So it's not like it's a huge amount, but soon we should see some more coming up. The one I know for sure will be starting soon is 255 S. State (twin mid-ride affordable housing) and 650 S Main (office buildings on south end of downtown, will re-activate a dead block) which I believe has started construction. Hopefully we'll also see Kensington (on the site of the Carl's Jr at 200 S and State) which will be the tallest in the city if it still gets built, but I don't think anybody here is sure yet if COVID has affected that. Given the continued demand for apartment building though, I wouldn't be surprised to still see that one pull through.

None of the current cranes should be gone by the end of 2020 and there's a very good chance of more going up.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2020, 2:44 PM
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None of the current cranes should be gone by the end of 2020 and there's a very good chance of more going up.
By the end of the year, I would expect to see cranes up for 650 S Main, 255 S State, and the 2nd crane for the CCH.

That would be 3 more by the end of the year.

Next year, if everything works out well, we could very well see 2 or 3 more added. Kensington Tower, Hines (Utah Theater), and the Regent St Hotel project.

These are the publicly known projects in the pipeline.

Now, it should be noted that these are just tower cranes. There are lots of the lower mid-rise cranes throughout the downtown area and beyond with many more planned to be added this year as well.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2020, 5:05 PM
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An interesting article in Salt Lake Magazine yesterday. Apparently Rico Brand located near 700 South and 600 West is being forced out because the owner plans to redevelop the area. I'm excited to learn what that project will look like (I hope it is better (like the post district) than the INDUSTRY reuse on the block just north of there)
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No more Rico Brand? Salt Lake City is selling its soul.

By Mary Brown Malouf
July 24, 2020
Again.

Kathy Stephenson reported it well in today’s Salt Lake Tribune: Rico Brand may be the latest loss to Salt Lake culture which is being slowly assassinated by merciless landlords and greed.

Stephenson’s a good newspaper reporter. She reports the facts, ma’am, as objectively as possible. That means although she can list the ravaging of our city, she can’t express outrage because reporters can’t show feelings.

But I’m a columnist so I can. And you should.

The story of Jorge Fierro, owner of Rico, his move to the U.S. from his native Chihuahua, his humble beginnings here as a sheepherder, then a factory worker, then selling refried beans at Salt Lake’s Downtown Farmers Market, eventually building a business from that single food stand to a business stocking handmade Mexican food in more than 90 stores, is a quintessential version of the American self-made myth. A myth developers and property owners seem determined to quash.

Rico Brand’s factory in the then-unnamed and never-visited Granary District was a risk when Fierro leased it. So many Salt Lake residents only went to the west side of town to eat at Red Iguana. Otherwise, it was all too “scary.” Fierro’s business was a pioneer and helped make the warehouse district appealing. Too appealing for his own good.

Then, as Stephenson recounts, “In late 2019, the building he had leased for 18 years was bought by Woodbine Industries LLC of Sandy. After taking possession, the new owners told Fierro he needed to look for another home to make way for as-yet-unspecified plans for the property.”

Fierro’s been looking, but hasn’t been able to find a suitable space. Woodbine has yet to “specify its plans,” yet Fierro has to vacate, along with his 30 employees by August 31. It’s becoming, as Stephenson points out, a familiar story here.

Jian Wu, with his wife and family, ran one of Salt Lake City’s best Chinese restaurants, Cafe Anh Hong on State Street. He had to close because of rising rents—the cost of his space doubled.

Ken Sanders Rare Books, a nationally recognized bookstore unique in the country, is having to move because Ivory Homes is developing that space. It’s doubtful that Sanders can find an affordable space. In the collegiate design competition held to come up with possible plans, not one student was smart enough to see Sanders’ store as an asset to incorporate into a new design rather than something to demolish.

Back to Rico Brand—after becoming a success, Jorge Fierro gave back to the city that had supported him. Besides helping other small businesses, he is also on the board of the Lowell Bennion Community Center for the University of Utah, the Utah Microenterprise Note Fund, and American Heart Association Go Red Por Tu Corazón. He feeds the homeless through his Burrito Project. The factory he’s about to lose was the site of an annual party to benefit Utah Food Bank.

Read the comments on Stephenson’s Tribune article—they devolve pretty quickly into a socialist vs. capitalism debate like we’re hearing a lot of during this highly partisan time. But supposedly, the good American life isn’t just an economic argument. It’s about creating quality of life, contributing to the place we live, joining together to help neighbors and encouraging others to contribute as well.

I moved to Utah almost 20 years ago and was so delighted to find a city with the feel of a small and neighborly town, filled with smallish, locally owned businesses. That’s the culture that has made this an attractive place to live and move to. It didn’t look generic, like Dallas or Denver. It was truly a unique place. That’s the place being destroyed by landowners and developers who can’t seem to see they’re killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

How about a little more compromise? A little more love for the place you live and the people who live here with you? How about a lot more imagination? Tax breaks for small businesses? Leadership? Understanding of how Salt Lake City can be a great city?

The Covid pandemic will see this city lose a lot more home-grown businesses unless citizens speak up.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2020, 7:32 PM
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That sucks. The Rico building is nice and doesn't need redevelopment. I gotta say I agree with the tone of the Tribune article. There's plenty of open lots and rundown abandoned warehouses around there.
As development continues to ramp up, the city should make more efforts to protect the businesses that make these neighborhoods attractive in the first place.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2020, 7:53 PM
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The kings of micro-units. These guys are quite proliferate. See all the new projects they've completed recently and also have in progress.
https://oz-dev.com/#

Trax & 9th?


West Temple & 9th?


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North Temple


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These are interesting, I saw the new one getting started in central 9th the other day. Out of curiosity I was looking at their prices, the one at west temple goes for $675 a unit, I couldn't find the sq ft though. These give lower income individuals an opportunity to live downtown. I'd prefer to see these going up over the boring 6 story cookie cutter luxury apartments that are the size of a whole city block.
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That sucks. The Rico building is nice and doesn't need redevelopment. I gotta say I agree with the tone of the Tribune article. There's plenty of open lots and rundown abandoned warehouses around there.
As development continues to ramp up, the city should make more efforts to protect the businesses that make these neighborhoods attractive in the first place.
I've been saying this for years and it often falls on deaf ears because no one seems to care for the character of a lot of these older warehouses/buildings. So many vacant lots remain, while we strip away the history of Salt Lake.

The city has no soul. In 30 years, it'll be as bland as West Jordan is today.
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I've been saying this for years and it often falls on deaf ears because no one seems to care for the character of a lot of these older warehouses/buildings. So many vacant lots remain, while we strip away the history of Salt Lake.

The city has no soul. In 30 years, it'll be as bland as West Jordan is today.
I'm sorry, but I personally just don't see the 'character' that we are really getting on that block. I mean, even the Rico building itself is kind of blah, with little to no street engagement, no real unique qualities beyond the restaurant contained inside of it, and I'd argue looks the most like something you would see in West Jordan. Its sad that the restaurant is being asked to leave, but I think the area could really benefit from redevelopment of that block.



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Old Posted Jul 26, 2020, 1:44 AM
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There is nothing blah about the Rico warehouse lmao

Just own up to the fact you're okay demolishing the historic fabric of Salt Lake for what'll likely amount to a cookie-cutter development that brings little to an area that can be wholly unique to the Salt Lake valley if effort was put into it.

But again, Salt Lake has no soul.

I guess at this point the hope is they can repurpose the building and develop the vacant lots. My problem with the current drive with what is happening in Salt Lake is that we're losing a significant amount of smaller buildings because developers, and the sad state of the city government, share the exact same mindset you do. It's not only the bigger historic buildings we need to focus on. It's the smaller ones, too, buildings that can be reused in a way that engages with the neighborhood and yet keeps its history.

Just a few weeks ago, we saw a similar episode with cluster of smaller, historic buildings on 200 South. Not very important but likely knocked down and replaced by a bland mid-rise with zero engagement with the neighborhood.

A few weeks before that, we found out this:



was going to replace this:



Again, not a major building. It's likely most everyone has passed it without even looking at it. However, it's once again something that has been apart of Salt Lake's historic fabric since the 1800s and it's about to be demolished for a bland, generic mid-rise.

That building, now a restaraunt, was one of the first (still standing) non-LDS Churches built in Salt Lake City. It opened as the Holy Trinity Lutheran Church in 1892. It's now slated for demolition.

But this goes back to my point. It's easy to shrug your shoulders at the historic, smaller warehouses, or these smaller buildings, but they absolutely make up the fabric of a city. Go to any major US city and walk around and you'll see neighborhoods dominated with these types of developments. Sadly, Salt Lake is lacking in this regard. A significant amount of these developments came down in the 1970s and 80s for parking lots or modern warehouses on the city's west side and now, in today's environment, they're being torn down for basic development that is essentially going up in West Valley City and Sandy at this point. We lose that forever. Once it's gone, it's gone. And they make neighborhoods, in my view. Not that monstrosity of a development I just showed.

It's even worse when we're doing this despite vacant lands, or more recent warehouses/buildings that have long lived their purpose.

But none of the buildings I've mentioned have even remotely hit that point yet.

Like I said, in 30 years, Salt Lake will have no historic urban fabric left because we are perfectly fine doing away with these smaller, historic buildings. It's going to be a very bland, ugly place.
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I get what you're saying Comrade and I agree with much of your basic point and I agree that we shouldn't loose the Lutheran church but I don't see anything special about the Rico building. It looks like any other warehouse you would find west of I-215.
Furthermore, we do need density. That's difficult to achieve if we can't demolish anything. We didn't develop the Northwest quadrant and we probably won't be able to annex anything at this point so our only choice is more density. Growth is not optional if we want to stay competitive.
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I'm sorry, but I personally just don't see the 'character' that we are really getting on that block. I mean, even the Rico building itself is kind of blah, with little to no street engagement, no real unique qualities beyond the restaurant contained inside of it, and I'd argue looks the most like something you would see in West Jordan. Its sad that the restaurant is being asked to leave, but I think the area could really benefit from redevelopment of that block.



I'll just call my opinion subjective taste, but I have to agree with You and RC14. Is it just me, but from the picture posted it would seem that someone in the 70's or 80's tried to update the Rico Building and ruined the appeal that these type of warehouses naturally have. Indeed, it is now no more special than any blah suburban piece of commercial architecture one would have created in the 70's. While I think that the Lutheran Church should have been kept, I would have advocated restoring it to its original beauty. It also appears to have been affected negatively with poor updating.

A few years back there were some who lamented the destruction of the former Old Navy/Tracy Collins/Geneology Library in order to build 111 S. and the Eccles Theater. I was very much in favor of its demise. It had been so aesthetically bastardized over the years that its intrinsic value could not be successfully argued in my opinion. I am as much or more an advocate of preserving historic architecture as anyone. However, if there is an argument to be made, it's that we should be a lot more careful about the so called restoration of our historic structures. I look at the exquisite and correct restoration and reuse of the Wall Mansion on South Temple or also The Devereaux. That is the way to preserve and reuse historic structures. Then again I see a somewhat failed attempt with the newer addition to Trolley Square. I guess we can live with the outcome. I was very excited that Trolley Sq. was making a concerted effort to increase its viability, but when all was completed, the brick used for the finish was at best a mediocre choice.

Of course, I am not dismissing the lazy and disgusting excuses that have led to the demise of buildings such as the Pantages, Arrow Press Sq., the very significant Sullivan, the Newhouse Hotel to name a few. Obviously, the City and State needs to get its proverbial act together. While significant improvement has been made for preservation over the last couple of decades, there is still much tweaking and defining that needs to be done.

Again, no one loves historic gems more than me. I work daily to enhance my communities many historic structures and their environment. I myself live in a house that is approaching 120 years old. There is definitely a lot to be said for the proven gems of the past. If anything, I would like to see Salt Lake City pepper its downtown with authentic aesthetic recreations of some of it's lost architectural treasures.

I found those posts by Orlando a few days ago of some of the many smaller apartment buildings going up as very encouraging. For one, their style and finish is often quite attractive. I also predict that in fifty years they will be valued as historically charming and hopefully anyone wanting to demolish them will be soundly defeated. Also, a lot of what is being built in places like Daybreak, Post House, Hardware, Marmalade, etc. is definitely of value to the city and metro now and I believe will be of aesthetic value in the future.

I'm just grateful that there wasn't too much of a building boom in Salt Lake during the 60's and 70's. Yes, not all but some of these apartment buildings that have gone up this past couple of decades are mediocre. However, the run of the mill styles now are typically far more appealing than the past few decades. Also, unlike many of the past styles, the current crop is comparatively easy to enhance vs. the major structural changes that would have to occur to the facades of most of their 60's/70's progenitors.

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