DENVER | Main Development Thread #7

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by CONative

Uh, no. Not a horse race. Central Park is way ahead and should stay that way -- whether it's the best name or not.

Yep. It’s the safe, cowardly, name that is narrowly defined and relevant only to the south side ilk (Northfield forever!). Mosley would have been the inspiring choice while Skyview is god awful (but at least it’s not Skyfield).

[BG918]

Originally Posted by wong21fr

Yep. It’s the safe, cowardly, name that is narrowly defined and relevant only to the south side ilk (Northfield forever!). Mosley would have been the inspiring choice while Skyview is god awful (but at least it’s not Skyfield).

Skyview is probably too similar to Skyland an existing NE Denver neighborhood.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by BG918

Skyview is probably too similar to Skyland an existing NE Denver neighborhood.

Shhhh.... don’t tell the Skyfield mob that. Skyfield was the perfect name that was the result of exhaustive research where a dude talked to fifteen (!) people in the neighborhood to gauge their feelings. But the tyrannical SUN board has quashed the democratic wishes of the people and imposed their own names due to their hidden agenda.

At least that’s what FB is telling me.

[jbssfelix]

Originally Posted by wong21fr

Shhhh.... don’t tell the Skyfield mob that. Skyfield was the perfect name that was the result of exhaustive research where a dude talked to fifteen (!) people in the neighborhood to gauge their feelings. But the tyrannical SUN board has quashed the democratic wishes of the people and imposed their own names due to their hidden agenda.

At least that’s what FB is telling me.

You just described the entirety of Stapleton's Facebook groups in a succinct paragraph. Well done.

[The Dirt]

In real city news, I'm renaming my condo to The Northfield Estates at Central Park West.

[twister244]

I actually kinda like "Skyview".... but I guess I am in the minority. It has a bit of a relaxing hook to it that could give the neighborhood a fun theme.

[The Dirt]

I liked Soulless Hellscape, but it was rejected.

[Ich]

So good news, they are currently demolishing Shelbys.

Hopefully that means construction is coming soon.

[The Dirt]

Seeing as the fence was only around the building and not the entire lot, it might be a little longer. Usually, they give monthly parking patrons a month's notice before they fence off the entire lot.

[Ich]

Originally Posted by The Dirt

Seeing as the fence was only around the building and not the entire lot, it might be a little longer. Usually, they give monthly parking patrons a month's notice before they fence off the entire lot.

Yea that’s a good point. There a lot of construction stuff on the lot now and not a lot cars but that could just be demo specific. Hopefully it means they are moving along and committed to starting construction and not just expanding the lot for a while

[Agent Orange]

Great news about Shelby's. I'm moving to the suburbs (for ease of pandemic/WFH life) and will miss watching all the construction. But at least I'm getting tf out of Candiland.

[bunt_q]

Originally Posted by The Dirt

I liked Soulless Hellscape, but it was rejected.

I mean, the University of Colorado A Line doesn't go anywhere near the University of Colorado. So it is only fitting that we have a Central Park neighborhood that is central to nothing. That won't be confusing at all.

Also, obviously the residents of Stapleton were never going to rename the place after a black man whose name might actually stick. They are voting for a name that nobody will ever use so that practically, ten years from now, everybody still calls it Stapleton. That is the obvious goal.

[i4isoar]

Originally Posted by RyanD

^ Well aren't those just happy little coincidences. *puts on tin foil hat*

Originally Posted by laniroj

Speaking of tin foil hats and development cycle black swans, couldn't we throw Gates into there too?! Seems every time we get close to actual development on that one, disaster ensues as well.

Anyone have any updates on Gates progress or delays?

Originally Posted by TakeFive

Well done!

Still curious as to how Beacon ended up with 2 Tabor I put some feelers out. Word on the street is that they acquired it as consolation prize in a low-stakes poker game.

I also noticed that each time someone resurrects the project, it shrinks a little bit more in height. Who knows, at this rate, someone will propose a 3-story low-rise on the site sometime towards the end of this century, and then maybe that will finally get built and break the 2 Tabor curse.

Originally Posted by TakeFive

Don't care for the editorializing but I like the NEWS

Denver officials OK pricey repairs and a facelift for wrinkly 16th Street Mall despite outcry over other priorities
July 20, 2020 By David Sachs/Denverite

Also, an opportunity for infrastructure improvements.

You are welcome to read about the supposed controversy. Kevin Flynn had the response.

Even more excellent news - though I don't know which one is better, that 16th St. is getting the much-needed spruce up, or the fact that Candi lost.

I hope they do keep the iconic rattlesnake pattern though. I know it looks faded and dated now, but I imagine it must have looked a whole lot better when it was still brand new back in the 80s.

Originally Posted by TakeFive

A quartet of good choices

Conor McCormick-Cavanagh of Westword fame has a nice piece of the final four names to replace "Stapleton".

Note: this is the 2nd piece by Conor I've read recently; guy knows how to write. Checking his bio, he "previously worked as a journalist in Tunisia "
Props to his nascent career.

Mosley is growing on me. Either Skyview or Concourse would make a good choice but it appears to be a horse race between Central Park and Mosely.

Originally Posted by CONative

Uh, no. Not a horse race. Central Park is way ahead and should stay that way -- whether it's the best name or not.

Originally Posted by The Dirt

I liked Soulless Hellscape, but it was rejected.

Originally Posted by twister244

I actually kinda like "Skyview".... but I guess I am in the minority. It has a bit of a relaxing hook to it that could give the neighborhood a fun theme.

Me, personally, I would have suggested the name "McClane" - which would refer both to Elijah McClane and satisfy the social justice angle of the name change (especially as Aurora is right next door), and also to John McClane, in honor of the neighborhood's most famous contribution to pop culture when they filmed Die Hard 2 there. But then again, I guess city-planners don't like the idea of potentially having to pay royalties to a Hollywood studio for the naming rights.

[laniroj]

Originally Posted by i4isoar

I also noticed that each time someone resurrects the project, it shrinks a little bit more in height. Who knows, at this rate, someone will propose a 3-story low-rise on the site sometime towards the end of this century, and then maybe that will finally get built and break the 2 Tabor curse.

I propose we lobby Mr. Anschutz to buy the Tabor 2 site and resurrect the Tabor Grand Opera house that our lovely DURA destroyed decades ago, though renamed the Anschutz-Tabor House of Pleasure.

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by twister244

I actually kinda like "Skyview".... but I guess I am in the minority. It has a bit of a relaxing hook to it that could give the neighborhood a fun theme.

I also think Skyview is perfectly fine.

In fact, I've decided to split my five votes between Skyview and Mosley

Originally Posted by Agent Orange

Great news about Shelby's. I'm moving to the suburbs (for ease of pandemic/WFH life) and will miss watching all the construction. But at least I'm getting tf out of Candiland.

Weren't you living in Curtis Park?

In any case the June numbers are in for new home construction and the market is HOT in all regions of country including the NE. Wasn't that long ago an "expert" declared it would be a long time before they matched or exceeded January's numbers. Well they just exceeded those numbers. Speculation is that the WFH crowd is partly responsible especially in the NE.

Rents moderating

Rents dropped a bit in the 2nd quarter for the 1st time since 2010. That said, people are still moving to Denver and the absorption rate was good.

[Agent Orange]

Originally Posted by TakeFive

Weren't you living in Curtis Park?

Good memory, that’s true. The very heart of Candiland. Great neighborhood but that 2.5 storey zoning and neighborhood preservation madness drove me away. (Not really, but the exploding unhoused population was the drop that overflowed the cup. Trading tents for trails by living near Morrison.)

[BG918]

Originally Posted by Agent Orange

Good memory, that’s true. The very heart of Candiland. Great neighborhood but that 2.5 storey zoning and neighborhood preservation madness drove me away. (Not really, but the exploding unhoused population was the drop that overflowed the cup. Trading tents for trails by living near Morrison.)

I don’t blame you, the homeless problem downtown is completely out of hand. Very sad to see our downtown area and Capitol taken over by tent cities. I don’t fault the people living there but rather the city/state which has totally ignored it and has no viable solution except to ship them to the Coliseum parking lot.

[twister244]

Originally Posted by BG918

I don’t blame you, the homeless problem downtown is completely out of hand. Very sad to see our downtown area and Capitol taken over by tent cities. I don’t fault the people living there but rather the city/state which has totally ignored it and has no viable solution except to ship them to the Coliseum parking lot.

Well, love it or hate it, Polis is putting a ton of pressure on the city to sweep up around the Capitol now. I agree with Polis on his polarizing comments he made the other day after that shooting, especially when you have the city voters to back him up with (via mayoral election). Not saying shipping folks off to the coliseum parking lot is the best solution, but letting folks just sprawl out wherever they want, do drugs, etc is no better......

On a side note, I have gone down this crazy rabbit hole tonight, trying to understand Denver zoning in my area, and how things might change with city plans. I've noticed between Jeff Park, Sloan's Lake, and West Colfax, the majority of "Slot Homes" have been built in G-MU-3. There are adjacent neighbhorhoods in West Colfax that are either U-RH-2.5 or U-RH-3, which permits (what I am assuming) are traditional row homes or brownstones. But.... I see very little in the way of new construction in these areas, which I don't understand. Is this simply developers taking advantage of zones specifically under G-MU-3 until all lots are swallowed up as that's what sells right now? I see similar U-RH near the Santa Fe arts district north of 6th, but no new construction has touched that area, even being relatively close to the Golden Triangle, downtown, etc. Anyone have insight on this?

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by Agent Orange

Good memory, that’s true. The very heart of Candiland. Great neighborhood but that 2.5 storey zoning and neighborhood preservation madness drove me away. (Not really, but the exploding unhoused population was the drop that overflowed the cup. Trading tents for trails by living near Morrison.)

I never lived all that close but over the years... whether driving up to one of Everygreen's bars or for a day-hike near Morrison it became my favorite 'direction' to go to get out of the city. Often mused about living in the area for its 'small-town' feel and artsy flavor.

Nice choice; enjoy.

Originally Posted by BG918

I don’t blame you, the homeless problem downtown is completely out of hand. Very sad to see our downtown area and Capitol taken over by tent cities. I don’t fault the people living there but rather the city/state which has totally ignored it and has no viable solution except to ship them to the Coliseum parking lot.

Said the homeless guy to the Mexican family (who has a home, even if modest)

“They will just go by and say, oh Mexican, wetbacks, go back to your country, speak English,” Ruiz Parilla said. “It’s embarrassing, because I have a daughter, and she has to walk with me, and she says, ‘Mom do you hear what he said?'”

Surely the city council in their collective wisdom must be more useful than Mayor Hancock, No? So 8 councilors and others all signed a letter to the Mayor about authorized encampments which he's never been a fan of.

So the Mayor sent a letter to each of the 8 councilors in respect that they know their own districts better than he, to come up with at least one site in each district. The response has been deafening. Crickets!

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/07/08/woman-attacked-homeless-camp-morey-middle-school/

The woman, who asked us not to use her name, lives across the street from Morey Middle School where more than 100 people have set up tents, “I come into my apartment building, which usually feels safe.”

That sense of safety, she says, is now shattered after she says a man tried to 🞵🞵🞵🞵 and kill her as she entered her apartment building.

“I do think there is a sense right now in this neighborhood of lawlessness… and it gives people permission, in a way. I don’t know if he’s a member of this camp or not.”

IIRC, I read that at least one-third of Denver's homeless come from outside the city. They come for the easy-to-find drugs, the free camping and supportive community.

All those recently elected to Denver's City Council know how to ask all the right questions (and complain) but they have zero answers and no clue how to run a city.

[RyanD]

Corner glass at Block 162 looks fire!