YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 773

hollywoodcory · #**15441** Posted **Jul 14, 2020, 8:48 PM**

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Weird.

Well there is the full list:

https://imgur.com/tXtVbdp

Thanks. I made it work by using a "private" browsing mode.

Nites · #**15442** Posted **Jul 14, 2020, 9:29 PM**

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From what I heard we probably won't be seeing any 748i's at YVR anytime soon as they need to be gate fitted. It's the same story with the 787-10 as when EVA briefly sent them here they had to be parked on the deicing pad.

Also Air France will continue using YVR as it's tech stop to PPT until the end of August. Service will be boosted up to 3 weekly from August 4th.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...ti-service-via-vancouver-in-august-2020/

Back around 1999-2003 from what I remember YVR was flooded with 747s. What happened? Is it purely just a gate situation?

zahav · #**15443** Posted **Jul 15, 2020, 5:51 AM**

No, it's that 747s are nowhere near as common now as back in those days. It was used by way more airlines as the primary large capacity aircraft. Nowadays it is used by less and less airlines, since most have switched to different long haul aircraft (A350, 787, 330 etc.). It isn't a YVR thing, it's a global airline preference thing

Nites · #**15444** Posted **Jul 15, 2020, 7:02 AM**

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No, it's that 747s are nowhere near as common now as back in those days. It was used by way more airlines as the primary large capacity aircraft. Nowadays it is used by less and less airlines, since most have switched to different long haul aircraft (A350, 787, 330 etc.). It isn't a YVR thing, it's a global airline preference thing

How does Boeing compete with the A380 currently? From what I know of the 777-300ER is their largest widebody after the 747. 777-300ER passenger capacity with 3 class setup is 300-368 vs A380 500+. I know that the A380 doesn't operate much but airlines having an option to do 1 round trip a week to certain destinations must save them money rather then doing multiple trips with a smaller aircraft at lower capacity.

Gordon · #**15445** Posted **Jul 15, 2020, 3:22 PM**

I would think Th 777-300 er Or one of the new 777X variants which can holMd up to 426 passengers in 2 Class layout. I suspect a high density version would be close to 500. The A380 goes out of production next year.

Doe any one know when YvR is going to re start the pier D expansion proj?

Airboy · #**15446** Posted **Jul 15, 2020, 4:26 PM**

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I would think Th 777-300 er Or one of the new 777X variants which can holMd up to 426 passengers in 2 Class layout. I suspect a high density version would be close to 500. The A380 goes out of production next year.

Doe any one know when YvR is going to re start the pier D expansion proj?

When I flew through YVR last week there was work ongoing on the west side. There was staff.

teriyaki · #**15447** Posted **Jul 15, 2020, 6:50 PM**

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FI removed all service to Canada except YYZ until at least S21.

Anyways, AC posted their plan for August, Transborder and International resumption includes PDX, PHX, and another attempt at LAS, MEX, and PVG (crew change at ICN)

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2020/route-updates.html

Curious to know what is the reasoning behind the stop and crew change at ICN for the PVG flight?

lubicon · #**15448** Posted **Jul 15, 2020, 7:36 PM**

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Curious to know what is the reasoning behind the stop and crew change at ICN for the PVG flight?

Purely speculation on my part but doing this would allow for crew to not have to layover in China.

Johnny Aussie · #**15449** Posted **Jul 15, 2020, 7:48 PM**

French Bee BF 718 on its way from ORY.

Eye Trapper has added two more videos on YouTube. He’s captured some more of the variety of visitors to YVR.

nname · #**15450** Posted **Jul 15, 2020, 8:32 PM**

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Purely speculation on my part but doing this would allow for crew to not have to layover in China.

Mandatory 14 days quarantine if they enters China. That means they cannot work on the return flight until 2 weeks later.

Also, it's only a weekly flight. Even without the restriction, either the crew will have to stay on the ground for a week, or the plane will need to remain in China for a day to be flew back with the same crew.

Johnny Aussie · #**15451** Posted **Jul 16, 2020, 11:25 AM**

French Bee has also extended YVR ops right through August.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...-service-via-vancouver-into-august-2020/

BF718/TX6718 ORY1840 – 1925YVR2055 – 0340+1PPT 359 3
BF719/TX6719 PPT0700 – 1925YVR2055 – 1520+1ORY 359 5

So all three PPT-Paris routes will continue operating via YVR in both directions through (at least) the end of August. Air Tahiti Nui, Air France and French Bee.

SpongeG · #**15452** Posted **Jul 16, 2020, 5:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nites

How does Boeing compete with the A380 currently? From what I know of the 777-300ER is their largest widebody after the 747. 777-300ER passenger capacity with 3 class setup is 300-368 vs A380 500+. I know that the A380 doesn't operate much but airlines having an option to do 1 round trip a week to certain destinations must save them money rather then doing multiple trips with a smaller aircraft at lower capacity.

the A380 has been retired and gone out of production. Air France will cease using them in 2022. Emirates, singapore etc are also phasing them out.

whatnext · #**15453** Posted **Jul 16, 2020, 10:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

the A380 has been retired and gone out of production. Air France will cease using them in 2022. Emirates, singapore etc are also phasing them out.

Sad.

ninjakafi_81 · #**15454** Posted **Jul 17, 2020, 1:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nites

Back around 1999-2003 from what I remember YVR was flooded with 747s. What happened? Is it purely just a gate situation?

On the topic of 747's disappearing from YVR, British Airways has just announced earlier that they will be retiring all of their 747-400's. With that being said, when things start to return back to pre-covid days, I wonder what they will send here.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...Uc_v6FaD8hIPOhIsUs2PUKAZX2ONuG67pCrXA52s

YYCguys · #**15455** Posted **Jul 17, 2020, 2:34 AM**

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the A380 has been retired and gone out of production. Air France will cease using them in 2022. Emirates, singapore etc are also phasing them out.

That (the A380 program) didn’t last long. What a waste of money for airbus and the airlines!

moosejaw · #**15456** Posted **Jul 17, 2020, 4:01 AM**

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That (the A380 program) didn’t last long. What a waste of money for airbus and the airlines!

The A380 was a gamble with outdated engines and one major operator that was very ambitious. The A380 was primarily used in hub markets whereas the Dreamliner was used point to point. Seating over 500 the A380 forced airlines to give away their seats to fill it up

Aviation is a crapshoot. Look at the current F35. 30 years in the making and it’s already outdated

trofirhen · #**15457** Posted **Jul 17, 2020, 4:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by moosejaw

The A380 was a gamble with outdated engines and one major operator that was very ambitious. The A380 was primarily used in hub markets whereas the Dreamliner was used point to point. Seating over 500 the A380 forced airlines to give away their seats to fill it up

Aviation is a crapshoot. Look at the current F35. 30 years in the making and it’s already outdated

This is informative, thank you. From there, where would you say the A350 fits in the market? With seating at 300 - 350, is it more hub or point to point? How else is it deployed? Thanx

thenoflyzone · #**15458** Posted **Jul 17, 2020, 6:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by ninjakafi_81

On the topic of 747's disappearing from YVR, British Airways has just announced earlier that they will be retiring all of their 747-400's. With that being said, when things start to return back to pre-covid days, I wonder what they will send here.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...Uc_v6FaD8hIPOhIsUs2PUKAZX2ONuG67pCrXA52s

BA had the lowest density passenger configuration out of all commerical B744 operators. 345 seats at most. Some had only 275 seats.

The A350-1000 currently being rolled out in their fleet will seats 331. So an adequate replacement right there. In the meantime, the 77W will have to do, with max 299 seats.

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This is informative, thank you. From there, where would you say the A350 fits in the market? With seating at 300 - 350, is it more hub or point to point? How else is it deployed? Thanx

The A350 is positioned to compete against the B777, the new B77X, and B787-10, which will be the largest airplanes left in the sky once the B747 and A380 are gone. So definately a hub machine. As a rule of thumb, as soon as you pass 300 seats or so, you're talking more about hub routes rather than point to point.

SpongeG · #**15459** Posted **Jul 17, 2020, 7:02 AM**

the end of an era

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Quantas has flown its last 747 flight earlier than expected, plan was to go till the end of 2020 but covid...

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Nites · #**15460** Posted **Jul 17, 2020, 7:18 AM**

I've taken the 747 from YVR to LHR many of times. I remember when AC did trips with their 747 all the time from YVR to LHR. I've never had the opportunity to fly in a a380. I guess most of the a380s that takeoff from YVR are doing trips to China? With the way things are right now I may never get the chance.