Olympic Village & Southeast False Creek Updates Discussion

[Klazu]

Back on the topic, when are they going to be building the new park between Quebec and Ontario? It is unfortunate how many buildings are being crammed in that area and the park won't end up being very big. This would have been a great place for a decent size park as this is more in the heart of the area than the area to the west of Olympic Village...

[Migrant_Coconut]

Contract awarded, planning is underway.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Woah, perhaps you should check your privilege before calling us immigrants — like that. I am happy to hear that you have not been impacted, but I do advise that you will keep your bicycle double-locked, as it is just a matter of time in this city.

Hmm, doesn't feel good to be generalized with a negative stereotype does it?

[Klazu]

Not adding any more fuel to previous discussions. Feel free to take some internet points, if you like.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Contract awarded, planning is underway.

Ah, I hadn't consider that there is also the actual waterfront and the area next to Science World to add to the new park. I guess it will be sizable enough and really hope they get going on it soon.

[djh]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I never got to reply to what followed, so I feel like posting this even if it gets deleted by mods...

Being from Finland, I just want to add my 2 cents here. I always hear how successful cities like Helsinki have been in mixing different people in same neighborhoods. What those articles won't tell you is that "White Flight" has become a thing in those same neighborhoods after never being a thing in the past. Areas where the city has been doing the mixing most, are starting to be no-go ghettos which would have been an unthinkable thing to happen only 15 years ago.

The only thing this policy has done is establishing a system that is extremely expensive to maintain and taxes are really high for the dwindling number of taxpayers. My friends back home work really hard but they get very little out of it due to how progressive the taxes are. So, it hasn't been a very successful approach and I wouldn't use Scandinavia as a model for anything. Maybe it was back in the 80s, but a lot changed since the recession in the 90s and everything that followed since then.

I think "white flight" and socially mixed housing can be two completely separate issues. Correlation <> Causation.

Socially mixed housing can come in many forms, which I was advocating in my original post. It doesn't necessarily mean white and non-white. It also doesn't necessarily mean middle class and poor. It can be families mixed with seniors mixed with studio suites. It can be services for night-shift workers mixed with traditional office workers. It can be work-from-home live/work spaces with facilities (e.g., shared office spaces in bookable communal rooms and high-speed internet). There's many variations of socially-mixed buildings that encourage mixing, tolerance, support, and community.

None of these examples would contribute to "white flight". Far more likely to cause the middle class incumbents to get fed up and leave their neighbourhood is just seeing it change from what they knew and grew up with. Sticking tall buildings near single-family homes causes people to hate the change and disruption - not necessarily the people in it, whether they be millionaires or pensioners.

Either way, back to the original point, any multi-family building with just one type of resident is detrimental to a neighbourhood, whether the new residents are millionaires, pensioners, screaming kids or unemployed government assistance people. Developers and city planners definitely need to mix up the buildings, but smartly and not too much of any one group.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by djh

I think "white flight" and socially mixed housing can be two completely separate issues. Correlation <> Causation.

Socially mixed housing can come in many forms, which I was advocating in my original post. It doesn't necessarily mean white and non-white. It also doesn't necessarily mean middle class and poor. It can be families mixed with seniors mixed with studio suites. It can be services for night-shift workers mixed with traditional office workers. It can be work-from-home live/work spaces with facilities (e.g., shared office spaces in bookable communal rooms and high-speed internet). There's many variations of socially-mixed buildings that encourage mixing, tolerance, support, and community.

None of these examples would contribute to "white flight". Far more likely to cause the middle class incumbents to get fed up and leave their neighbourhood is just seeing it change from what they knew and grew up with. Sticking tall buildings near single-family homes causes people to hate the change and disruption - not necessarily the people in it, whether they be millionaires or pensioners.

Either way, back to the original point, any multi-family building with just one type of resident is detrimental to a neighbourhood, whether the new residents are millionaires, pensioners, screaming kids or unemployed government assistance people. Developers and city planners definitely need to mix up the buildings, but smartly and not too much of any one group.

Why does anyone need to mix up anything?

Why doesn't the market just take care of the mixing aspect of things?

I don't like Yaletown. I don't live in Yaletown.

I like Coal Harbor. I cant afford Coal Harbor.

I like East Van, I can afford East Van. I live in East Van.

There - market making decisions for me, and I'm adjusting to the reality accordingly.

Why do we have to centrally plan the way people are allocated living quarters?

Also, in reference to the white flight, I don't think white flight happens because of people of different socio-economic status moving in, white flight happens when drug addicts and untreated mentally ill people get free reign of a neighborhood.

Those with the means choose to leave, as would be a the logical choice.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Not adding any more fuel to previous discussions. Feel free to take some internet points, if you like.



Ah, I hadn't consider that there is also the actual waterfront and the area next to Science World to add to the new park. I guess it will be sizable enough and really hope they get going on it soon.

Yeah I think there are still a lot of unanswered questions as how this deals with the combined sewer and creek pipes (Brewery & China I think) as well as connecting with False Creek Flats via Central Street. East of main in that little pocket is city-owned land so I'd imagine things should go hand-in-hand.

[officedweller]

Pics by me today:

5 cranes visible


6 cranes visible (one previous one hidden, and two more to the right)


W2

[WarrenC12]

Thanks for the pictures. Is 1715 Cook (Cook and 1st) market rental or something else?

W2 has had advertising for the future rentals for a long time, but I don't recall seeing anything for 1715 Cook.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Thanks for the pictures. Is 1715 Cook (Cook and 1st) market rental or something else?

W2 has had advertising for the future rentals for a long time, but I don't recall seeing anything for 1715 Cook.

Yes, 1715 Cook is a Cressey rental building.

[Jimbo604]

South of Science world.




Some workers had cut down some scrub trees and were cleaning up the south part beside the existing buildings though. Can't remember, is this area to be park land?

Photo credit: me

[Jimbo604]

Concord - Avenue One





Concord - Avenue One





Low-density development coming to False Creek South? Just joking, it's just a temporary home for these houses.





Next door is this dev. buzzbuzzhome.com says for 1715 Cook street: "a new apartment development by Cressey currently under construction at 1715 Cook Street, Vancouver. The development is scheduled for completion in 2020. Leases for available units range in price from $1,496 to $3,333. 1715 Cook Street has a total of 104 units."





These buildings at W 2nd Ave and Crowe St are still around.





Rental building (I think) at Wylie St and W 2nd Ave






Photo credit: me

[officedweller]

Nice to see some colour with those red panels.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Not adding any more fuel to previous discussions. Feel free to take some internet points, if you like.



Ah, I hadn't consider that there is also the actual waterfront and the area next to Science World to add to the new park. I guess it will be sizable enough and really hope they get going on it soon.

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Yeah I think there are still a lot of unanswered questions as how this deals with the combined sewer and creek pipes (Brewery & China I think) as well as connecting with False Creek Flats via Central Street. East of main in that little pocket is city-owned land so I'd imagine things should go hand-in-hand.

Waterfront Park already extends down to False Creek.

But wow, this new park is narrow. It's almost a Greenway.

There's nowhere near here that does have a lost creek. https://www.straight.com/files/v3/2012/10/LostStreams_2011.png

Also, I know it's been a while since the post, but which pocket east of Main?

[Migrant_Coconut]

There will be, and it'll probably empty out on the new Creekside.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Waterfront Park already extends down to False Creek.

But wow, this new park is narrow. It's almost a Greenway.

There's nowhere near here that does have a lost creek. https://www.straight.com/files/v3/2012/10/LostStreams_2011.png

Also, I know it's been a while since the post, but which pocket east of Main?

Central Street is a dedicated bike route that is to connect the properties around Industrial Ave, so how they connect Central Street on either side of Main I don't think is finalized. Same goes for east-west of Quebec (as in new traffic lights?).

The City owns most properties around Northern, Southern, and Central Streets and all along Main north of Industrial and south of Terminal, which would include the ability to put Central across Main Street, as well as extending Lorne Street to Station Street over the tracks.
I think this park is about as big as Creekside or Thornton.

Brewery and China Creeks are buried in pipes under False Creek Flats and end where Science World is. The Blueway is the grande scheme for the whole connection, but it'll be interesting to see what is devised around this park and False Creek Flats for daylighting or better water / rain resilience and management / integration.

[GenWhy?]

Probably something like at Hinge Park where the local storm water is fed into a wetland before it goes into False Creek.

[jollyburger]

The creek never went to Science World but dumped out further East when False Creek extended that far. The storm sewer that goes down to Science World still can have sewage overflow so there's that...

https://globalnews.ca/news/5282562/vancouver-blueway-plan/

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

There will be, and it'll probably empty out on the new Creekside.

Doesn't mean the entire thing will be daylighted.

I'm not even sure if that's possible, though it'd be nice if it could.

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Central Street is a dedicated bike route that is to connect the properties around Industrial Ave, so how they connect Central Street on either side of Main I don't think is finalized. Same goes for east-west of Quebec (as in new traffic lights?).

The City owns most properties around Northern, Southern, and Central Streets and all along Main north of Industrial and south of Terminal, which would include the ability to put Central across Main Street, as well as extending Lorne Street to Station Street over the tracks.
I think this park is about as big as Creekside or Thornton.

Brewery and China Creeks are buried in pipes under False Creek Flats and end where Science World is. The Blueway is the grande scheme for the whole connection, but it'll be interesting to see what is devised around this park and False Creek Flats for daylighting or better water / rain resilience and management / integration.

...Wait, so I checked. Apparently the City does own all those lots. It's not supposed to have public use, so why? Are they playing RE flipper?

[officedweller]

WRT Brewery Creek, the Lululemon rezoning provided an RoW for the pipe / daylighting on the east edge of the site.


https://council.vancouver.ca/20190423/documents/p12.pdf

There's even a ditch at the north end of that RoW leading to Industrial Ave.


https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Industr...80044034!8m2!3d49.2694376!4d-123.0953965