The not so Great Racism in Canada Thread

[saffronleaf]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I would say Jews in North America are considered just plain white almost all the time at this point.

True but in the context of White supremacy movements it gets a bit complicated lol "Jews will not replace us!" etc. For whatever reason, many are against Jews. But then many also support Israel? Who knows.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by saffronleaf

True but in the context of White supremacy movements it gets a bit complicated lol "Jews will not replace us!" etc. For whatever reason, many are against Jews. But then many also support Israel? Who knows.

Those people are not worth listening to in my book!

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

White people are the minority on Earth period: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people If 10% of white people are wealthy that's about 100 million people that cause 99% of the problems.

What kind of direct relationship is there between being wealthy and causing problems?

[savevp]

As if wealthy White people are the cause of 99% of the world's problems. Not Xi Jinping, Robert Mugabe, Nicolas Maduro, Bashar al-Assad, Mohammad bin Salman, Ali Khamenei, the list goes on. I'm sure there are plenty of wealthy business tycoons who aren't white in addition to those political tyrants. If you want to scapegoat an arbitrarily chosen identity group for the world's problems, you might at least do better arbitrarily scapegoating men

[urbandreamer]

^America (and modern Canada) was founded by the wealthy to exploit the land and poor for financial gain. The upper classes have been in power for centuries: eg see how many presidents are related. For the most part the same families that were wealthy in 1705/1805/1905/1955 are the wealthiest today. They own the companies, control the political and mass media/marketing agendas, quite frankly set the economy.

This elite could've paid reparations to the freed slaves a century ago preventing most of today's turmoil.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by wg_flamip

Impartiality and neutrality aren't part of the CBC's mandate as set out in the Broadcasting Act. According to s. 3(1) of the Act:

I think there is a difference between the CBC in general and CBC News.

For CBC in general they can air opinionated stuff by indigenous activists, Newfoundland separatists, etc., have them as guests, and even produce their own stuff like 22 Minutes that offers satirical bias.

But when you do news you are supposed to be doing news and that needs to be reflected in what comes out of the mouths of your own people.

This is a general journalistic principle, not just a CBC one.

But as a public network funded by everyone's standards, they should be upholding that standard in an exemplary way. More so than news media that answer to Rupert Murdoch or Elliot Carver.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Ouch. Cruisin' for a bruisin'.

Perhaps, and I admit I made that post when I was feeling a little intemperate, but there is no question that certain ethnic groups do make a better attempt to fit into the mainstream of their adopted homelands than other groups do. The groups that don't do tend to be problematic, and tend to make demands upon the system that can at times be somewhat provocative, and disquieting to the majority, leading to tension and strife, which is most unfortunate.

In the immortal words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along"............

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

^America (and modern Canada) was founded by the wealthy to exploit the land and poor for financial gain. The upper classes have been in power for centuries: eg see how many presidents are related. For the most part the same families that were wealthy in 1705/1805/1905/1955 are the wealthiest today. They own the companies, control the political and mass media/marketing agendas, quite frankly set the economy.

This elite could've paid reparations to the freed slaves a century ago preventing most of today's turmoil.

The surmames of the top 10 richest people in the US are Bezos
Gates
Buffett
Zuckerberg
Brin
Walton
Ballmer
Koch

I doubt most of these names were on the Mayflower.

I believe the richest family where I live here in Québec is named Saputo.

[urbandreamer]

^eg the English in India. Or Quebec. What happened to them?

By richest, I don't mean the top 10 lists that are paraded in the MSM. There's thousands of "private" families that have always had access to unlimited funds and attention from law makers. The folks who use offshore banks.

[savevp]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

The upper classes have been in power for centuries: eg see how many presidents are related. For the most part the same families that were wealthy in 1705/1805/1905/1955 are the wealthiest today. They own the companies, control the political and mass media/marketing agendas, quite frankly set the economy.

You're not wrong, by and large, especially in the UK (Old Etonians) but also here. In the States, I'd argue the bigger issue is the influence wealthy people exert on politics. In any event, I don't think your beef is with racism though, but maybe capitalism? I don't wish to put words In your mouth or presume your ideologies.

But of course old money families are white, especially in Canada, since white people made up the extreme majority of the population for most of Canada's history as a nation. The racial makeup of Canada's wealthy will probably change as hundreds of thousands of skilled Asian migrants continue to immigrate. And in Europe, the nobility didn't rule over a racialized subclass, it was generally wealthy white people ruling poor white people. Again, your beef must be with class structure rather than race.

Mind you, if you have a beef with class structure and would rather socialism, the BLM manifesto should be enjoyable reading.

In regards to your later Quebec example, the Chateau Clique and contemporaries can maybe be accused of racism against the French, but certainly not anti-White racism in their control of enterprise and attacks on the Catholic Church. The divide was linguistic and religious, but was certainly not White supremacy.

[saffronleaf]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

^America (and modern Canada) was founded by the wealthy to exploit the land and poor for financial gain. The upper classes have been in power for centuries: eg see how many presidents are related. For the most part the same families that were wealthy in 1705/1805/1905/1955 are the wealthiest today. They own the companies, control the political and mass media/marketing agendas, quite frankly set the economy.

This elite could've paid reparations to the freed slaves a century ago preventing most of today's turmoil.

Ok but broadly this is true of every single society. I'd check out The Son Also Rises by Gregory Clark. The bulk of the elite never change. There are temporary, brief changes associated with big upheaval like Maoist China, but even then the elites remain the elites.

There is also generation to generation changes, but in the long-term there's great stability with respect to who is elite.

[vid]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The surmames of the top 10 richest people in the US are Bezos
Gates
Buffett
Zuckerberg
Brin
Walton
Ballmer
Koch

I doubt most of these names were on the Mayflower.

I believe the richest family where I live here in Québec is named Saputo.

Wow, what a brilliant refutation of his point! My entire worldview is changed now! i mockingly type before logging out again

[savevp]

before logging out again

Between your last mocking, fatuous post and this one, there have been about two pages of mature debate by those who haven't declared this subforum to be below them.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I would say Jews in North America are considered just plain white almost all the time at this point.

Pretty much, for about 40 years now. Certainly for Jews of European ancestry. Although anti-Semitism has hardly disappeared.

[goodgrowth]

'People are calling for museums to be abolished. Can whitewashed American history be rewritten?'

https://www.cnn.com/style/article/natura...ashing-monuments-statues-trnd/index.html

[MonctonRad]

First statues and memorials.
Next museums and libraries.
Finally all the history book will be burned.

I can see it now. In 50 years time there will be a little girl somewhere asking the question "Mama, I heard some elder-person the other day saying something about his grandfather having been in something called a World War 2. What was that?"

To which the child's mother replied "I don't know honey, but whatever it was, it must have happened a long time ago, before the Great Reckoning, and thus must never be spoken of."

Then the mother turns to the child and asks her sternly, "So, who was this elder-person that said this? They should have known better. Nothing from before the Reckoning is allowed to be mentioned. Give me the elder-persons name and I will report him to the National Equity and Historical Revision Ministry so that he can undergo re-education........"

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

First statues and memorials.
Next museums and libraries.
Finally all the history book will be burned.

I can see it now. In 50 years time there will be a little girl somewhere asking the question "Mama, I heard some elder-person the other day saying something about his grandfather having been in something called a World War 2. What was that?"

To which the child's mother replied "I don't know honey, but whatever it was, it must have happened a long time ago, before the Great Reckoning, and thus must never be spoken of."

Then the mother turns to the child and asks her sternly, "So, who was this elder-person that said this? They should have known better. Nothing from before the Reckoning is allowed to be mentioned. Give me the elder-persons name and I will report him to the National Equity and Historical Revision Ministry so that he can undergo re-education........"

Yeah it is getting a bit ridiculous.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by goodgrowth

'People are calling for museums to be abolished. Can whitewashed American history be rewritten?'

https://www.cnn.com/style/article/natura...ashing-monuments-statues-trnd/index.html

Move all the museums and statues to Fly-Over country. That way the archives will be preserved and at the same time they'll no longer offend the sensibilities of woke white people who avoid that area of North America like the plaque. Win Win!

[Hawrylyshyn]

Denying/hiding history is probably the worst thing that could happen for the anti-racism movement.. it's important to recognize our past and learn from our mistakes. Pretending a racist history didn't happen won't solve the current racial issues we see in society

[someone123]

Originally Posted by saffronleaf

The thing is though that Indians and East Asians aren't "white passing" so there will always be that difference.

I get what you are saying but I think that the salience of physical characteristics changes with the times too.

There is no fundamental requirement that people notice skin colour or eye shape or use those characteristics to build racial categories. We don't tend to build racial categories based on hair colour for example, even though it would be possible for people to create a distinction using that characteristic. I could see a lot more people "passing" in the future, or the concept of "whiteness" simply being abandoned as genetics drift far away from the distribution that existed when people couldn't easily travel between continents.