The not so Great Racism in Canada Thread

[LakeLocker]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

Some NLers aren't handling change well, and the progressives are nearing the end of their rope.

How about all those slavs that suffered horribly due to good old fashioned socialism?



I'd much much much rather be a black American in 19xx to 1990 than almost any slav.


FYI it is no accident that Slav and Slave seem so similar. The muslim Turks used eastern europeans for slaves for quite some time.

It should be no irony that liberal arts majors turn a massive blind eye to the intense suffering caused on the Slavs by western socialist.

[Metro-One]

So now a school board member is being asked to resign for stating the true fact that white kids are a racial minority in some schools... Which is a very true fact in Vancouver, unless the term minority has also been arbitrarily changed to fit the modern agenda. It was also a minor comment in a much larger appeal to keep liaison officers in school. The current anti police hysteria of course wants to remove any officers from schools. Because, you know, that always improves relationships between the people and police (not to mention the other lost positives).

Seriously, I feel this racism talk has become a hysteria.

Seen a lot of stupid shit being said and done over the last few days from the left, a side I once saw as stable, thoughtful and scientific. Sad to se them go the bull shit route of the right wing.

Starting to feel like the west might be fucked.

[LakeLocker]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

So now a school board member is being asked to resign for stating the true fact that white kids are a racial minority in some schools... Which is a very true fact in Vancouver, unless the term minority has also been arbitrarily changed to fit the modern agenda. It was also a minor comment in a much larger appeal to keep liaison officers in school. The current anti police hysteria of course wants to remove any officers from schools. Because, you know, that always improves relationships between the people and police (not to mention the other lost positives).

Seriously, I feel this racism talk has become a hysteria.

Seen a lot of stupid shit being said and done over the last few days from the left, a side I once saw as stable, thoughtful and scientific. Sad to se them go the bull shit route of the right wing.

Starting to feel like the west might be fucked.

The left is philosophically dependent on the idea that if we rid ourselves of structural inequalities we'll hit some promised land. This isn't just a political ideal it is a literal religious value for those who've "abandoned" religion.

As we solve, fix and account for structural inequalities biological inequalities maximize. So we go from having problems that can hopefully some day be solved, to being left with problems that are as perpetual as the human condition.

So instead of rationally backing away from fixating on equality they double down leaving nothing but absurdity ahead.

Equality is a joke, you can simply(if you are capable of being honest) look at your cousins and siblings. They have near identical parents, genetics, background etc and yet there are massive disparities between the most direct of peers etc. And we know for a fact most of the differences are more or less established by the time those kids are 3-5.

FYI we also know nobody gives a shit if some billionaire owns a yacht.

A richer/taller/fitter/better looking sibling is 100 times more upsetting than a handful of individuals on the other side of the planet.

We are stuck living in a world of biological determinism and it sucks. Leftists will never get equality and right wingers will never get a world where self agency and bootstrapping mean much of anything at all.

The difference between the left and right is that right wingers are conformist who dislike change.

A right winger's beliefs revolve around the principle that change is bad. So very ironically it is super super easy to change their philosophical viewpoints when obstructed by science, if it means sticking to the ideal that change is not needed.

The left is up shit creek. They need to believe that change will bring about salvation but they have no idea how to do so when change isn't an option.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

So now a school board member is being asked to resign for stating the true fact that white kids are a racial minority in some schools... Which is a very true fact in Vancouver, unless the term minority has also been arbitrarily changed to fit the modern agenda. It was also a minor comment in a much larger appeal to keep liaison officers in school. The current anti police hysteria of course wants to remove any officers from schools. Because, you know, that always improves relationships between the people and police (not to mention the other lost positives).

Seriously, I feel this racism talk has become a hysteria.

Seen a lot of stupid shit being said and done over the last few days from the left, a side I once saw as stable, thoughtful and scientific. Sad to se them go the bull shit route of the right wing.

Starting to feel like the west might be fucked.

Arguing that something should/should not happen on the basis that white students are a minority in Vancouver schools does indeed sound like racist hysteria. Whether one would or should resign for being an hysterical racist would be for others to decide.

[Metro-One]

Wow, great post.

You see that all the time now with needing equal representation in all fields.

But what does that mean?

Does it mean a perfect statistical representation of the population in all careers (for example, where black people represent 13% of all jobs and positions in all careers nation wide in the States). Or is it determine on a state / province level resolution, or city, or community?

Also what about mixed people?

Let’s take movies for example, does it mean every cast or every film needs to be mixed, or does it mean for every 8.7 non black cast films you need 1.3 fully black cast films?

I also saw a complete reversal made on the colorblind casting philosophy of only a progressive decade ago, now some SJWs in the entertainment industry are saying that race casting specifications should be added to plays / screenplays (such as no more white people in Hairspray and no more white people using the songs from Hamilton for their auditions........ serious, these are real.

Like, WTF?

How will any of this combat racism?

If anything it’s only going to perpetuate it. Divisions, lines in the sand, my skin color says I can sing this but you can’t.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by LakeLocker

Equality is a joke, you can simply(if you are capable of being honest) look at your cousins and siblings. They have near identical parents, genetics, background etc and yet there are massive disparities between the most direct of peers etc. And we know for a fact most of the differences are more or less established by the time those kids are 3-5.
.

As I have said before, any elementary school teacher that has the liberty to speak freely about such things will confirm this to you.

They're right about 90-95% of the time.

[Acajack]

Wendy Mesley posted this yesterday. She is coming clean about using the N-word in another instance.

https://twitter.com/WendyMesleyCBC/status/1276263794684186625/photo/2

Patrice Roy who is the number 2 person at SRC news (so a CBC employee like her) tweeted his support and said she was a good journalist, had done nothing wrong and was not a racist. Quoting the title of a book or what someone else said should never be a "crime" he said. Roy was the mod for the French election debate, and is the heir apparent to take over the French version of the National.

Chantal Hébert whom you guys know retweeted Roy's comment with a +1.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Arguing that something should/should not happen on the basis that white students are a minority in Vancouver schools does indeed sound like racist hysteria. Whether one would or should resign for being an hysterical racist would be for others to decide.

It’s true, Caucasian kids are the minority in many schools in Vancouver.

Why is that racist but arguing any other group is a minority isn’t?

Sorry, but this game is getting old.

I am done with playing nice.

Grew up in Metro Van, we are a (now considered) white family, yet my brother was the victim of a racial attack (group of South Asians beat him down for being white, was in the hospital for a while, but no attention or hate crime came out of it) I myself was chased by an Iranian gang saying they were going to kill my white ass (this seriously came out of nowhere). One night was walking home with my Japanese girlfriend and a group of South Asian men in front of a neighborhood house started cat calling her saying “where you going white boy” and that they were going to rape her. That was really scary and disturbing. All in comfy South Van. And those are just major racial incidents off the top of my head. Then there is all the past racial crap my Dads family put up with being Italian. But whatever, were white now. I never beat someone down for being a different race, or said I was going to kill them for being a different race, or I was going to rape their girlfriend for being different races. Yet I am constantly being told that because I am white I am the racist and they are the victims.

Honestly thinking it may be better at this point to raise my family in Japan than return to red hot racialized Canada now.

[kool maudit]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Wendy Mesley posted this yesterday. She is coming clean about using the N-word in another instance.

https://twitter.com/WendyMesleyCBC/status/1276263794684186625/photo/2

This is ludicrous, occult thinking. The use of childish circumlocutions like "the N-word" is part of the same phenomenon that sees adults using phrases like "that's not OK" -- these both derive from ways of speaking that were once exclusive to childcare.

Obviously, it is oafish to repeat slurs without consideration for one's surroundings. In instances where I am referring to the use of one of these words, I strongly prefer to say something like "he offended the man by calling him an ugly racial slur", some sort of construction like this.

I can't, however, go around saying sentences like "Pierre Vallières' 'White N-words of North America' was a notable attempt to link the fight for Quebec sovereignty to a broader post-colonial context". In such an instance, I'd say the word.

Anyone attempting to rhetorically join such a statement to actually insulting somebody with one of these words fucking hates you already, so whatever.

[Pavlov]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

So now a school board member is being asked to resign for stating the true fact that white kids are a racial minority in some schools... Which is a very true fact in Vancouver, unless the term minority has also been arbitrarily changed to fit the modern agenda. It was also a minor comment in a much larger appeal to keep liaison officers in school. The current anti police hysteria of course wants to remove any officers from schools. Because, you know, that always improves relationships between the people and police (not to mention the other lost positives).

Seriously, I feel this racism talk has become a hysteria.

Seen a lot of stupid shit being said and done over the last few days from the left, a side I once saw as stable, thoughtful and scientific. Sad to se them go the bull shit route of the right wing.

Starting to feel like the west might be fucked.

I don't think it makes sense to ascribe the silly actions of a few individuals to an entire group as large and diverse as "the left".

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Pavlov

I don't think it makes sense to ascribe the silly actions of a few individuals to an entire group as large and diverse as "the left".

So the same must apply to an entire group as large and diverse as "white people", no?

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

It’s true, Caucasian kids are the minority in many schools in Vancouver.

Why is that racist but arguing any other group is a minority isn’t?

Sorry, but this game is getting old.

I am done with playing nice.

Grew up in Metro Van, we are a (now considered) white family, yet my brother was the victim of a racial attack (group of South Asians beat him down for being white, was in the hospital for a while, but no attention or hate crime came out of it) I myself was chased by an Iranian gang saying they were going to kill my white ass (this seriously came out of nowhere). One night was walking home with my Japanese girlfriend and a group of South Asian men in front of a neighborhood house started cat calling her saying “where you going white boy” and that they were going to rape her. That was really scary and disturbing. All in comfy South Van. And those are just major racial incidents off the top of my head. Then there is all the past racial crap my Dads family put up with being Italian. But whatever, were white now. I never beat someone down for being a different race, or said I was going to kill them for being a different race, or I was going to rape their girlfriend for being different races. Yet I am constantly being told that because I am white I am the racist and they are the victims.

Honestly thinking it may be better at this point to raise my family in Japan than return to red hot racialized Canada now.

Because the point was raised to defend the privilege of that minority, as I understand the story. Unconscious racism, perhaps, but there you go. Folks have got to get used to the fact that they no longer have a free pass on this stuff - they can and will be challenged.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Pavlov

I don't think it makes sense to ascribe the silly actions of a few individuals to an entire group as large and diverse as "the left".

We do for the right all the time. They also say it’s only a few individuals.

Sadly it seems that recently the extreme fringes, while “few” in number are calling most of the shots.

So for me it has reached a breaking point of concern. It’s all around now in every resignation, every social content warning added to movies, every mass shared meme down talking to anyone who might have questions or concerns with any aspect of BLM, etc...

I would honestly say the problem now is the silent majorities on the right and left who don’t speak against the crazies because on their sides. We all wanted to see right wingers come out against Trump. Well, I’m that person for the left. Identify left, but not afraid to call out hysteria and bullshit taking over when I see it.

[Acajack]

For anyone who cares about journalism and its role in our society:

In a blog post published on the afternoon of June 8, CBC News editor-in-chief Brodie Fenlon said he's committed to reviewing the JSP* "through the prism of inclusivity."

"Do our definitions of objectivity balance fairness and impartiality and our insistence that journalists not express personal opinions on the stories we cover work against our goals of inclusion and being part of the community and country we serve?" wrote Fenlon.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/reaction-christine-genier-resignation-1.5616241

*Journalistic Standards and Practices

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Because the point was raised to defend the privilege of that minority, as I understand the story. Unconscious racism, perhaps, but there you go. Folks have got to get used to the fact that they no longer have a free pass on this stuff - they can and will be challenged.

Still don’t see how that is worth dismissal from a job. Guess they guy doesn’t hate himself enough these days for purity? Also noticed you dismissed my personal racial encounters in said area.

Also, as someone of Italian heritage, a racial group that was highly marginalized in BC for over a century, I now ask that you stop supporting anything with an Italian caricature, and that includes Mario (seriously imagine if he was any other racial group). Also stop ordering from non Italian owned pizzerias, that’s cultural appropriation. See how silly this shot can get?

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Wendy Mesley posted this yesterday. She is coming clean about using the N-word in another instance.

https://twitter.com/WendyMesleyCBC/status/1276263794684186625/photo/2

Patrice Roy who is the number 2 person at SRC news (so a CBC employee like her) tweeted his support and said she was a good journalist, had done nothing wrong and was not a racist. Quoting the title of a book or what someone else said should never be a "crime" he said. Roy was the mod for the French election debate, and is the heir apparent to take over the French version of the National.

Chantal Hébert whom you guys know retweeted Roy's comment with a +1.

It's an interesting case - I think she would have been in the clear if she had substituted "N-word" for the word actually used in the translated title of the book, or if she had cited the book using its French title. It reinforces that white people (at least) cannot use the actual word in any context, which I don't have much problem with as I can't imagine a case in which it must be used, regardless of intent. One could argue, of course, that that should not be the case, but at least everyone now knows that they do so at their peril.

I've not seen anything about Mesley's final punishment from the CBC - safe to assume she'll be back to work in a few weeks/months?

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Still don’t see how that is worth dismissal from a job. Guess they guy doesn’t hate himself enough these days for purity? Also noticed you dismissed my personal racial encounters in said area.

Also, as someone of Italian heritage, a racial group that was highly marginalized in BC for over a century, I now ask that you stop supporting anything with an Italian caricature, and that includes Mario (seriously imagine if he was any other racial group). Also stop ordering from non Italian owned pizzerias, that’s cultural appropriation. See how silly this shot can get?

He has not been dismissed, afaik.

[Acajack]

I should note that there is an American poster in the Current Events section of SSP who has a swastika-shaped "45" with a red strikeout circle and bar over it, as his avatar, and no one seems to bat an eye. It's not technically a swastika but it sure as hell looks like one when you look at it quickly. This is supposedly an anti-Trump symbol.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

He has not been dismissed, afaik.

Not yet, but given the current climate will be surprised if he remains.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

It's an interesting case - I think she would have been in the clear if she had substituted "N-word" for the word actually used in the translated title of the book, or if she had cited the book using its French title. It reinforces that white people (at least) cannot use the actual word in any context, which I don't have much problem with as I can't imagine a case in which it must be used, regardless of intent. One could argue, of course, that that should not be the case, but at least everyone now knows that they do so at their peril.

I've not seen anything about Mesley's final punishment from the CBC - safe to assume she'll be back to work in a few weeks/months?

I honestly don't know. How close is she to retirement?

Regarding the N-word and the swastika, none of this is any skin off my back as I don't use either. But I can't help but notice the double standard.

Happy listening, though!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmNfT-B7nlA